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bigdawg1991
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 Posted - 01/08/2012 : 23:42:10
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Have some questions about Utrip. I can not find anything printed in their rules about playing up an age division other than in the World Series section it says if you are a major team and you play up an age division you have to play major in the older division as well. There is nothing about regular tournaments or qualifying tournaments. Does anyone know the rule?
We are a middle to below avg AAA team that for some reason was bumped to Major. We can not afford to travel great distances every weekend to play so we were planning on making a 2hr trip to atl one weekend then playing in middle GA (local for us) two weeks later. There are no major tournaments within a days drive for us. We decided we would just play up an age division to 15u and play some AA or AAA divisions, but were told we could not do that. I can not find it printed anywhere. |
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Mad1
252 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2012 : 09:26:45
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| USSSA has always allowed you to play up and go down one class in the older age group. Done alot last year. Go to tournament central on the USSSA site and when searching for tourney click the selector that says all tourneys Im eligible for and it will display all tourneys you can play in. I did it for 14 Major and it says you can play AA and AAA 15 u tourneys. |
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wareagle
324 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2012 : 10:08:20
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| Do not know the rule section but last year we were told that if you play up, you can only drop one class. in your case you would be allowed to play 15AAA but not 15AA. |
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TOPDOG
92 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2012 : 10:39:30
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| i think this rule has changed this year. if you are a major team or player and play up it has to be in the major division of the older age group. i'm not sure if thats the case in open tournaments, however i do know that if you are a major player and play up it has to be for a major team in the older age group. they are no longer letting you play up in age back 1 in class. |
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gausssa
209 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2012 : 16:42:05
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Yes, the rule has changed this year...A player can know longer play up a age and down a class...
Rule 3.08.B.2 Player(s) listed on rosters in multiple age divisions must be on teams of equal classification.
Please everbody understand this doesn't mean anything until 1 of the teams rosters freezes on April 1st. Only exception, major teams wins a Elite 32 berth prior to April 1st.
I would strongley suggest ALL COACH'S go to the Georgia USSSA site and down-load the 2102 Official Rules. Look in the table of contents and you will see all the topic's of rule changes and what page to look on. All rule changes will always he high-lited in a shade.
Hope this helps!!!
Bubba Smith
Georgia USSSA |
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Mad1
252 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2012 : 17:27:39
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| Bubba, I dont think that is what he was asking. He asked can A 14 and under Major team play in 15 AA and AAA tourneys as a 14 under team. I understand individual players, but this originally started as a team question, not individual players. |
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bigdawg1991
6 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2012 : 22:49:08
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| I went back and read the entire rule book again. If I am reading the correct rule book from the usssa site I still can not find an answer to my question. The closest I can find is something saying that if you play up in a world series you must stay at your current classification of your team age group. for example...if a 14u major team played in a world series event and wanted to play 15u, they must play 15u major. |
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EastsideBB
44 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2012 : 09:30:31
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| As you can see from the response you will sometimes get confusing and conflicting responses. And it also depends on the tournament director or who you may know. It does not make sense IMHO to not allow a 14 major team to play up in any 15U tournament. It happens in Triple Crown tournaments all the time. I guess you can play up in any classification if you roster is not frozen or before April 1 when your roster becomes frozen and then you can only play up in your classification or higher. How confusing. |
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coachpitch
66 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2012 : 10:28:38
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I am with you EastsideBB. USSSA seems to make it more and more difficult to play with them every year.
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Originally posted by EastsideBB
As you can see from the response you will sometimes get confusing and conflicting responses. And it also depends on the tournament director or who you may know. It does not make sense IMHO to not allow a 14 major team to play up in any 15U tournament. It happens in Triple Crown tournaments all the time. I guess you can play up in any classification if you roster is not frozen or before April 1 when your roster becomes frozen and then you can only play up in your classification or higher. How confusing.
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wareagle
324 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2012 : 10:31:23
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Gausssa,
This really needs clarification, even the directors ability to change tournaments. We have tried to enter tournaments before and were told that we could not enter because it would not be fair to the older(lower classification) teams. Then when they don't have enough teams or when another team wants to enter, they simply change to an open tournament. We are certainly not trophy hunters, and we want to face good competition, but we also don't want to have to drive to the North side of Atlanta every weekend to find Major tournaments. |
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WestCoastGuru
148 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2012 : 10:33:02
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My question is why the change in the rule???
Is this a calculated move to keep teams playing there age level/classification?
in our age group, there is a clear cut top team...and in the last 2 seasons they've played up majority of the year and have been extememly compettitive at the previous rules, of playing a class below....wonder how this rule change will affect there plans on the season?!?
Regardless of how talented of a squad a coach may have, very rarely would any team be prepared to play an age level up, with staying at the same classification and expect to be compettitive.
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gausssa
209 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2012 : 12:17:31
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Sorry guys but to clerify the original question ask. Yes a "team" can still play up 1 age group and down 1 class. Example: 11u AAA can play up in 12u AA...
As for the new player rule having to play in same class if he is on 2 teams in different age groups. Hey, I'm not crazy about it either and didn't think it should have been changed. However, I'm also not on the rules committee that makes those decision but do have to play by them.
My #1 priority is to make sure all the Georgia teams are informed of any changes and try to help educate coach's from making any mistakes or costing kids there eligibility...As always, I am accessible to all of you if you have questions. Feel free to reach out to me.
Bubba Smith
Georgia USSSA
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TOPDOG
92 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2012 : 14:02:12
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Originally posted by gausssa
Yes, the rule has changed this year...A player can know longer play up a age and down a class...
Rule 3.08.B.2 Player(s) listed on rosters in multiple age divisions must be on teams of equal classification.
Please everbody understand this doesn't mean anything until 1 of the teams rosters freezes on April 1st. Only exception, major teams wins a Elite 32 berth prior to April 1st.
I would strongley suggest ALL COACH'S go to the Georgia USSSA site and down-load the 2102 Official Rules. Look in the table of contents and you will see all the topic's of rule changes and what page to look on. All rule changes will always he high-lited in a shade.
Hope this helps!!!
Bubba Smith
Georgia USSSA
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TOPDOG
92 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2012 : 14:05:10
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| check out rule 3.05 b2, am i confused or does this rule contradict what rule 3.08 b2 states |
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WestCoastGuru
148 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2012 : 15:38:46
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So let me undertstand this correctly from what I've read above....a team can play up and age level and down a classification..BUT, a player cannot??? So a 10U Major team can play 11U AAA tourney, but yet the players on the 10U Major tean can't play in 11 AAA????
Does anbybody else see the problem here? |
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TOPDOG
92 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2012 : 16:21:49
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| I see the problem, just glad someone else does. By the way ,how have you guys been doing? looking forward to some good baseball this season. |
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Mad1
252 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2012 : 17:01:52
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| I understand it, I think. If you are playing up as part of a younger team in a older class during a tourney, the team can play up a age group and down one class. But if you are a individual player rostered on two teams in different age groups, you have to play on the same class teams in both age groups. Thats the way I get it. |
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rippit
667 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2012 : 19:03:41
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Originally posted by TOPDOG
I see the problem, just glad someone else does. By the way ,how have you guys been doing? looking forward to some good baseball this season.
Trying not to sound like a smart rear end...however, it has to do with that player being on TWO rosters at the same time. |
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TOPDOG
92 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2012 : 08:28:28
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| gotcha,so there is not an issue unless you have a kid registered in 2 age divisions. so if a team decides to play up an age and down a class,only the kids registered in the older division can not play for the younger squad in that tourney. |
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WestCoastGuru
148 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2012 : 08:59:20
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TopDog...everything is going well, hope all is well with you guys and looking forward to the upcoming season.
Just for example.....
Just don't see the difference between a 10u major team playing 11u AAA tourney and an individual 10u major player playing on a 11 AAA team????
I am just curious to the reasoning behind the rule change? |
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Mad1
252 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2012 : 11:01:24
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| Anyone go to the USSSA coaches meeting last weekend? Anything of significance to look for this w/e at the meeting? |
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excoach12
159 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2012 : 13:12:24
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WCGuru,
Maybe they figure your 10Maj team does not have 12 studs on it and bringing the whole team up age and down class is acceptable because you have strong and less strong players on the squad.
But if one individual player moves up an age chances are the team taking him along picked the stud of the 10Maj team, not one of the less strong players. |
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Big Dawg
22 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2012 : 21:43:41
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| excoach12, What your saying makes since but let's look at the flip side of that. Your also saying then that it's ok for that "stud" player playing up instead of in his own age group to go down and play in an even lower class than he sould be able too. Example: normally a 10u major player moves up and plays 11u AAA thats his normal team now he can only go down and play 10u AAA cause this new rule instead of playing major. Is this really good for him or the 10u AAA team he now has to play against instead of the major team he would have faced? who is this rule good for in that situation? |
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nastycurve
244 Posts |
Posted - 01/13/2012 : 02:17:34
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so what happens if a kid is on two different age major rosters but one team gets reclassified? Is the child now ineligible? If so, for which team?
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bballman
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Posted - 01/13/2012 : 09:07:00
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Here's my take on all this. If you are on a team, play for that team. I don't know why an individual would be going off and playing for another team on his own. I mean, I know, but don't really think it's the best thing. Many people on here have come to this board and complained about kids jumping teams and going off and playing on more than one team. Now, there is a situation where it's not easy to do that and everyone is up in arms about it.
I say, stick with your team, play with your team. If your team is taking a week off, the coach has a reason for it. He feels the team needs a break. Let your kid take that break as well. |
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Mad1
252 Posts |
Posted - 01/13/2012 : 11:40:51
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| All our kids play exclusive to our team. This is pretty much understood coming in. We have only had one player ask to play during a charity tourney with another team. He was given permission, but came back quickly when he realized we were playing it also, and he would have to play against his regular team. We play a 18 game select league schedule against other tournament teams from the county. These games are only on tuesday and thursday nights, so the w/e's are free for tourneys. We also play 8-10 tourneys a year, with one w/e a month designated at the beginning of the year and spring break with no tourneys, so we keep them pretty busy and focused. Works well for our team. |
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