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excoach12
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 Posted - 04/06/2011 : 20:46:13
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On several posts in this blog you read the term "well coached". What do the coaches of a team need to do or possess that earns their team the phrase well coached?
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1. Automatically applied to teams that win everything they enter (or just about)?
2. Used with coaches who employ alot of trick plays?
3. Possible to apply this term to coaches of teams who lose consistently?
What do YOU see in a team you are watching for the first time that makes you say "gee, they are a well coached team." |
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Frozenrope
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Posted - 04/06/2011 : 22:39:54
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Solid fundamentals-as in doing the "small things" well, control of the team from pre-game warm up to sitting on the bleachers watching another game, sportmanship, respect for the game, ensuring his players come first especially when dealing with a childs well being, and did I mention solid fundamentals.
and maybe, just maybe.....a solid recruiter lol. |
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RACGOFAR
208 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 13:55:54
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Winning is a by product of many things, one of which is being "well coached." For me that term implies that the coaches of a team have prepared their players to play. Indeed the little things are good indicators of a well coached team. The following (in no particular order) are sure indicators that my team's opponent is well coached and properly prepared to play the game:
1) Players on defense are in the proper position for cutoffs, relays and backing up throws on every pitch and every play.
2) The team has a pregame ritual that appears organized.
3) Between innings the players know where they are supposed to be playing and jog to their positions rather than lingering at the dugout waiting for instructions.
4) They are in proper position on obvious bunt plays and defend it well.
5) The parents/fans are not coaching from the stands during the game.
6) They can fundamentally execute a pickle/pick-off/run down without disaster.
7) They do not overreact to errors and bad calls and bad breaks.
8) Runners taking proper leads on the bases, reading the ball off the bat and are tagging up properly based on the game situation.
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Spartan4
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Posted - 04/07/2011 : 15:48:34
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Originally posted by RACGOFAR
Winning is a by product of many things, one of which is being "well coached." For me that term implies that the coaches of a team have prepared their players to play. Indeed the little things are good indicators of a well coached team. The following (in no particular order) are sure indicators that my team's opponent is well coached and properly prepared to play the game:
1) Players on defense are in the proper position for cutoffs, relays and backing up throws on every pitch and every play.
2) The team has a pregame ritual that appears organized.
3) Between innings the players know where they are supposed to be playing and jog to their positions rather than lingering at the dugout waiting for instructions.
4) They are in proper position on obvious bunt plays and defend it well.
5) The parents/fans are not coaching from the stands during the game.
6) They can fundamentally execute a pickle/pick-off/run down without disaster.
7) They do not overreact to errors and bad calls and bad breaks.
8) Runners taking proper leads on the bases, reading the ball off the bat and are tagging up properly based on the game situation.
Good Answer!! It is hard to define "little things" but those little things are what usually makes the difference when two teams are equally talented. |
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oldmanmj
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Posted - 04/07/2011 : 19:19:00
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| Great comments all. Not many coaches have the luxury of recruiting or obtaining quality players at every position. This is where you can also see a "quality coach". Many of those items have been listed. All of those items mean "Prepared". A very good coach can get most medicore players or teams to beat consistently better athletic teams because they are prepared...many of the items already liste and others. Can they always beat the flame throwing ace, no, but they will be right there and you will see little to no mistakes. East Cobb, Home Plate, 6-4-3 DP and others have many of these coaches. I am sure that there are many many more we will never see or know. |
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leftyrightyecb
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Posted - 04/08/2011 : 08:50:18
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| Show me a coach who teaches beyond the foul lines and mentors the kids to be successful in life and I will put a "well coached" label on them. If they are racking up wins and trophies but their kids fail in school and are disrespectful to teachers and parents then they are not being taught all there is to teach in the game of baseball and thus the well coached label need not be applied. There is a great need for mentors in our community. |
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jongamefan
218 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2011 : 13:35:25
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Originally posted by leftyrightyecb
Show me a coach who teaches beyond the foul lines and mentors the kids to be successful in life and I will put a "well coached" label on them. If they are racking up wins and trophies but their kids fail in school and are disrespectful to teachers and parents then they are not being taught all there is to teach in the game of baseball and thus the well coached label need not be applied. There is a great need for mentors in our community.
LEFTY: I love your post !!
I have seen many a good man good coach run off or discouraged to quit an get away from coaching youth ball , by selfish parents who want all the wins and the kids recognition
Even though the Coach is a fine person and leader just doesn't have the bodies.
Right there you have one reason we need more mentors their efforts are not appreciated and they are often ignored in favor of the allmighty W
Realy tragic at the preteen and early teen ages where the W means nothing : but examples of character for them do matter.
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2011 : 19:13:46
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Originally posted by jongamefan
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Originally posted by leftyrightyecb
Show me a coach who teaches beyond the foul lines and mentors the kids to be successful in life and I will put a "well coached" label on them. If they are racking up wins and trophies but their kids fail in school and are disrespectful to teachers and parents then they are not being taught all there is to teach in the game of baseball and thus the well coached label need not be applied. There is a great need for mentors in our community.
LEFTY: I love your post !!
I have seen many a good man good coach run off or discouraged to quit an get away from coaching youth ball , by selfish parents who want all the wins and the kids recognition
Even though the Coach is a fine person and leader just doesn't have the bodies.
Right there you have one reason we need more mentors their efforts are not appreciated and they are often ignored in favor of the allmighty W
Realy tragic at the preteen and early teen ages where the W means nothing : but examples of character for them do matter.
Why can't you have it both ways?? Winning and character.....I will agree a lot of good coaches have been run off or quit over Johnny's dad who just can't understand why his son isn't the ace or batting 4th/playing SS etc.....
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SSBuckeye
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Posted - 04/09/2011 : 22:12:31
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S4, my team is likely going to go no better than .500 this year (if we're lucky!). I feel confident in saying our boys are getting life lessons and top notch coaching along the way. But, by most definitions, we are not a winning team. Should we dis-band? The answer is, of course, we shouldn't. Every group is on a different path. You've chosen the elite path, and rightfully so based on your nephew's needs and abilities. Based on the kids we have, and where they are from a skills development perspective, this is the correct path for us to get them where they need to go. If I accomplish nothing more than getting people to acknowledge that there is no cookie-cutter approach to this thing called travel baseball, then I will feel vindicated! Sadly, I think I'm losing on that score.
Andy
P.S. tough loss for the Vols today, but great game it looked like against the defending champs.
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2011 : 00:44:14
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Andy, I agree one million percent that there is no cookie cutter approach. I just honestly believe it is extremely short sighted to get on here and say wins mean nothing. Of course our boys will not be judged by the winning percentage of the 11U or 12U years, but there isn't IMO anything wrong with going out and winning either! Certain teams have proven year in and year out that they will develop talent and the boys will get better, a lot of these boys are great young men as well! I would like to use the Bandits or EC Braves as a prime example, every single one of those boys are extremely well behaved and just all around amazing kids. Those boys improve every single year through great coaching and lots of practice and work. Maybe I am naive but I would like to believe those particular coaches instill life lessons and build character and it is possible to do it both ways. It just gets me every time I see someone say "wins don't mean anything" simply because to certain people they don't mean anything, but to others it is hard to justify the expense involved and not at least attempt to play as many games as possible on a given weekend(3 games vs. 6 for the same entry fee!!)...Like we agree, no wrong or right but if there is neither wrong nor right then teams/coaches/boys/families will value winning or playing to win differently.
BTW, that was a tough game to watch!! I honestly believe since the new AD has been in power my beloved VOLS have seen every mens program fall. The exception was mens basketball which was on an all time high, but we see how that ended. I'm not sure the reason Coach Rod was released and the new guy was hired but to this point Coach Raleigh hasn't had much luck....Oh well, part of being a fan only a couple more months til football season again!! |
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jongamefan
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Posted - 04/10/2011 : 10:22:36
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SPARTAN : my answer is that you can have both but if to make a choice or if accept the cards you have been dealt, you take character 1st 2nd and 3rd choices.
And, wins at the lower ages means nothing that is correct
I have been accused of being over-competitive at times but as age and hopefully wisdom has set in i am able now to see the see the big picture.
Thats my point about good men good coaches being flat disgusted with bad parents they too have some wisdom and decide to fast get away from it , then our baseball community loses a good coach & mentor .
And to your point Johnny doesnt get to be the ace of play ss or bat fourth on the next team cuz he wasnt good enough to play there anyway.
Nothing gained.
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Originally posted by Spartan4
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Originally posted by jongamefan
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Originally posted by leftyrightyecb
Show me a coach who teaches beyond the foul lines and mentors the kids to be successful in life and I will put a "well coached" label on them. If they are racking up wins and trophies but their kids fail in school and are disrespectful to teachers and parents then they are not being taught all there is to teach in the game of baseball and thus the well coached label need not be applied. There is a great need for mentors in our community.
LEFTY: I love your post !!
I have seen many a good man good coach run off or discouraged to quit an get away from coaching youth ball , by selfish parents who want all the wins and the kids recognition
Even though the Coach is a fine person and leader just doesn't have the bodies.
Right there you have one reason we need more mentors their efforts are not appreciated and they are often ignored in favor of the allmighty W
Realy tragic at the preteen and early teen ages where the W means nothing : but examples of character for them do matter.
Why can't you have it both ways?? Winning and character.....I will agree a lot of good coaches have been run off or quit over Johnny's dad who just can't understand why his son isn't the ace or batting 4th/playing SS etc.....
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m72
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Posted - 04/10/2011 : 12:04:12
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Originally posted by Spartan4
Andy, I agree one million percent that there is no cookie cutter approach. I just honestly believe it is extremely short sighted to get on here and say wins mean nothing. Of course our boys will not be judged by the winning percentage of the 11U or 12U years, but there isn't IMO anything wrong with going out and winning either! Certain teams have proven year in and year out that they will develop talent and the boys will get better, a lot of these boys are great young men as well! I would like to use the Bandits or EC Braves as a prime example, every single one of those boys are extremely well behaved and just all around amazing kids. Those boys improve every single year through great coaching and lots of practice and work. Maybe I am naive but I would like to believe those particular coaches instill life lessons and build character and it is possible to do it both ways. It just gets me every time I see someone say "wins don't mean anything" simply because to certain people they don't mean anything, but to others it is hard to justify the expense involved and not at least attempt to play as many games as possible on a given weekend(3 games vs. 6 for the same entry fee!!)...Like we agree, no wrong or right but if there is neither wrong nor right then teams/coaches/boys/families will value winning or playing to win differently.
BTW, that was a tough game to watch!! I honestly believe since the new AD has been in power my beloved VOLS have seen every mens program fall. The exception was mens basketball which was on an all time high, but we see how that ended. I'm not sure the reason Coach Rod was released and the new guy was hired but to this point Coach Raleigh hasn't had much luck....Oh well, part of being a fan only a couple more months til football season again!!
11 runs in 7 games, not good for my Vols. One of the few SEC teams not ranked. Saddens me! I hope it's not the same path come football for us. |
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SSBuckeye
575 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2011 : 22:13:04
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S4, the Bandits and the top ECB teams can have it both ways. I 100% agree. Sadly, that only provides a relative handful of spots for kids, assuming there were families that wanted to go that expense and inconvenience, etc. The point still remains you're not going to get all the top players to play on major teams for all the reasons I have described. Anyway, I believe the topic has been laid to waste at this point. I am sure your Vols will find their way back to the top. Loving what Coach Corbin has done for my Dores!
Andy |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2011 : 10:33:23
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Spartan and M72,
I am a UT guy myself and we won't be good in baseball until we get rid of Raleigh. He is a terrible game manager. Not to mention he just sits back and lets recruits come to him. He refuses to even come down this way to recruit.
If you did not have some really good in-state talent that wants to play there simply because they love the school, they really would be bad.
Delmonico was a really good coach that always put a competitive team on the field. He had the last laugh, though, when he left UT and hooked up with FSU and went to the CWS that same year.
I guess Hamilton just wanted "His Guy" in there but I wish he had picked someone with some decent experience.
As for the 'Dores, I love the way Coach Corbin manages and develops his teams. The results speak for themselves. I met him a few years ago and you won't meet a greater guy.
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2011 : 13:25:04
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| I wish Mike Hamilton would pick a "guy" that can win!! |
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Define "Well Coached"
