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clay21
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 Posted - 02/07/2011 : 23:21:09
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If you are not playing High School Baseball, but are playing on an elite travel team in the summer - can you still get substantial opportunities to sign with Colleges?
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Coach D
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 09:41:03
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| I would love to here some opinions on this . My son goes to a very small Christian School and they do not offer sports, so any info you guys have on this , lets hear it!! |
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Alter-Ego
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 10:55:31
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Nothing prohibits you from being recruited and playing college ball without playing HS Ball. Summer ball and showcase attendance can do the work for you. While there is a homeschool league, many homeschool kids have to manage their visibility this way as well.
You just have to manage around the questions scouts will wonder about:
(here is the pink elephant in the room)
*) Why did he not make the HS team?
*) Is there something about how he plays that does not make him desireable?
*) Did he have conflicts with the coaches? If so, what were they? Is he a potential conflict for our team?
There are circumstances where kids develop late and did not grow and start producing until their senior season but by that time, they had been passed up by the HS team.
Truth is, if you can throw in the upper 80's/low 90's, hit for power, have sub 6.5 60 speed, or have great glove skills in the field, and show that at showcases, you can get a look. The question would be, if you had one or more of those, why did the HS coach not select you? Hence the questions, above.
People should pursue their dreams as long as they have the desire to do so. We just all have to re-assess, from time to time, what those dreams are. Being in my 40's, I can no longer dream of being a 25 year old lifeguard on the beach. I can dream about retiring on a beach close to a lifeguard stand, though.
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Coach D
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 14:40:35
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Well said A-E !!! I like the retiring at the beach part , great alternative to the dream!!! |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 20:05:21
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| I'm not 100% sure who I heard this from, but I have heard many parents and coaches believe 16-18U boys get far more exposure playing on the elite level travel teams as opposed to HS teams. Every player is pretty good so a scout isn't just looking at one player, also they play almost triple the schedule. Anyone had any experience with not playing HS and just playing on a team like the Astros or Roadrunners?? |
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sportsfamily
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 21:33:55
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| I believe that talent should speak for itself....regardless of where you're playing....From past experience with my older son, there are HS coaches that are there just for the money and can damage a player...I will take my chances with my son playing elite team only. |
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 07:39:43
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There is something about representing your school that is very special and I encourage my grandchildren to play school ball as it gives them a opportunity to bond with their classmates outside the school.
As far as their elite travel teams go I just encourage them to play where they are having fun and I have been so fortunate so far that my grandkids appear to be happy where they are and having the time of their lives. I think being happy in what they are doing keeps them motivated and we are blessed to be a part of not one but two great organizations.
And I get all of the above with some of the best coaching and instruction that any baseball player could hope for. Papa is blessed.
But, So that I don't dodge the question that was asked, " I feel that if you have the skills necessary to play the next level that someone on the next level will find you whereever you are playing. |
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AllStar
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 09:21:31
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Originally posted by Coach D
I would love to here some opinions on this . My son goes to a very small Christian School and they do not offer sports, so any info you guys have on this , lets hear it!!
I thought that if you went to a private school that didn't offer sports, you could play, or at least try out, for the public school in the district where you live.
I've never looked into it here, but I think that's the way it was in the state I grew up in long, long ago. You didn't stop paying property taxes after all. And it's not like you didn't make the private school team, you didn't have that opportunity.
If you don't play your respective HS sport, you can always walk on in college, but the odds are pretty long. |
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bballman
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 09:40:47
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I would say the short answer is yes. I do like Alter's response. There will be questions that the college coaches have about why you're not playing in HS. Also, summer is actually the best place to be seen. During the HS season, college is playing their season as well, so it makes it hard for them to get out and see many HS games. They won't go out to random HS games at all. If anything, they will come to see a particular player that is on their radar - if they are in the area and that player has a game at that time. If someone else happens to impress, that is kind of icing on the cake for them.
So, if you have the skills to play at the next level, HS isn't necessary. However, like I said and as Alter pointed out, if I was a college coach, I would have questions about why you're not playing HS. You better have some good answers. |
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TC
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 19:46:37
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Originally posted by sportsfamily
I believe that talent should speak for itself....regardless of where you're playing....From past experience with my older son, there are HS coaches that are there just for the money and can damage a player...I will take my chances with my son playing elite team only.
Oh Yes the money makes it so worth it in high school sports. You must not have a clue what they get paid. |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 11:55:48
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Spartan, How many kids playing for the Astros or RR's at the 15u-17u level AREN'T playing on their HS teams? Likely, none, so you're probably not going to have too many examples. One thing to consider is that during the HS season, most HS coach's rule is that travel teams are "off-limits" during the HS season. This means that most 15u & up teams don't even start play until the HS season is over. So, if the kid wants reps, they play on their HS team and get to practice 5 days a week. I'd be very interested to hear of any kids who played for the truly elite teams at 15u and above over the past years did not play for their HS team (provided their HS fielded a team). Not that it hasn't happened, but my guess is that you can count the total on one hand.
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Originally posted by Spartan4
I'm not 100% sure who I heard this from, but I have heard many parents and coaches believe 16-18U boys get far more exposure playing on the elite level travel teams as opposed to HS teams. Every player is pretty good so a scout isn't just looking at one player, also they play almost triple the schedule. Anyone had any experience with not playing HS and just playing on a team like the Astros or Roadrunners??
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Spartan4
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 13:47:08
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Originally posted by in_the_know
Spartan, How many kids playing for the Astros or RR's at the 15u-17u level AREN'T playing on their HS teams? Likely, none, so you're probably not going to have too many examples. One thing to consider is that during the HS season, most HS coach's rule is that travel teams are "off-limits" during the HS season. This means that most 15u & up teams don't even start play until the HS season is over. So, if the kid wants reps, they play on their HS team and get to practice 5 days a week. I'd be very interested to hear of any kids who played for the truly elite teams at 15u and above over the past years did not play for their HS team (provided their HS fielded a team). Not that it hasn't happened, but my guess is that you can count the total on one hand.
I wasn't sure about this, I figured some of the kids that play for the 17U Astros only played for teams like that. Like Papa said there is just something about playing for your school that boys really like to do. I feel like there is much more room for development in a travel only situation as there are a LOT of HS coaches with no clue. Having said that I am sure there are HS coaches who could coach at a higher level but enjoy working with HS kids who love to play the game. These opinions are great, I just hope mine will continue to play the game at a level where we have options when he becomes this age. I was under the impression that the 17U elite teams had kids from different states and several kids with a VERY GOOD chance at getting drafted or playing D-1?? |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 18:16:25
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Spartan,
To your point that the 17U elited teams have kids from different states with a VERY GOOD chance at getting drafted or playing D-1, is probably a very true statement, but those teams play during the summer, after the HS season is over (most HS's regular seasons are finished by the end of April). |
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Coach D
167 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2011 : 20:54:22
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Allstar
I thought I heard that before also , does anyone know if this is true? I guess if I called the HS and talked to the Athletic Director they would probably know?
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Originally posted by AllStar
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Originally posted by Coach D
I would love to here some opinions on this . My son goes to a very small Christian School and they do not offer sports, so any info you guys have on this , lets hear it!!
I thought that if you went to a private school that didn't offer sports, you could play, or at least try out, for the public school in the district where you live.
I've never looked into it here, but I think that's the way it was in the state I grew up in long, long ago. You didn't stop paying property taxes after all. And it's not like you didn't make the private school team, you didn't have that opportunity.
If you don't play your respective HS sport, you can always walk on in college, but the odds are pretty long.
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Mike Corbin
523 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2011 : 21:09:41
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The Roadrunners did have one player who did not play an inning of Varsity baseball in HS that is playing college ball. He did not see eye to eye with the HS coach and therefore did not play.
To In the Know, I actually think that it violates GHS rules for players to play Varsity ball and still participate with their summer teams while the HS season is going on. |
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2011 : 16:08:58
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Mike,
I thought it was a rules violation as well, but couldn't find anything in GHSA or NFHS specifying so. Safe to say that even if it isn't a rules violation, most HS coaches don't allow it (I'm only aware of one that allows JV players to participate with travel during the HS season). Cool to hear that you guys had one bypass the HS program and still make a college roster. Not surprising, but like I mentioned earlier, can probably count the number on one hand (4 to go). |
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a1prog
164 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2011 : 20:43:26
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"if you can throw in the upper 80's/low 90's, hit for power, have sub 6.5 60 speed"
if you can do these things forget college. you're getting drafted. |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2011 : 21:33:35
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Coach D,
From what I understand, they cannot play for the public school. Same goes for Homeschool kids. We moved here from Tn and up there, if your private school did not offer the sport, or if you were homeschooled, you could play for the public school you are zoned for. GA does not allow that. If you go over to EC in the spring, you will see a very active Homeschool league being played. If your Christian school does not offer baseball, maybe you can plsy in that league. |
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Coach D
167 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2011 : 22:34:33
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| Thanks A-E , He plays travel ball year round ,its just like someone stated earlier , just wanted him to get the chance to play for his school and experience that.We are looking at other schools in our area , got some options just seems these schools are charging college money for middle and high school tuition!! |
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momshell
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Coach D
167 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2011 : 23:34:13
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| Thanks Momshell- love the name too! |
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oldmanmj
191 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2011 : 10:45:53
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| There is not rule at the state or national level that says a player can not play for his High School and a Summer team at the same time. Age 15u to 18U don't start their seasons until after the regular HS season is over. If you have a 14U that is in HS and makes the team, he can potentially play for his 14U team and the HS team. Like previous posts, I don't know any HS coaches that want their players going else where during the season. GA is behind many states when it comes to rules regarding playing for non-traditional students and athletes. I know many players across the country that have forgone their HS sport, due to issues with coaches, personal issues etc and signed D-1 scholarships or even where drafted to the pro's. If you can play and be seen, summer ball, you will be questioned, but you will most likely land somewhere playing. |
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Strike 2
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 00:42:49
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But, So that I don't dodge the question that was asked, " I feel that if you have the skills necessary to play the next level that someone on the next level will find you whereever you are playing.
A BIG AMEN Papa!!!!!! |
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Hurricane
351 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2011 : 13:12:11
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Of course you can. Can you play college and pro football without ever playing a single down of football?
Former UGA defensive end standout Richard Tardits. Tardits, (AKA: Le' Sack) was a French rugby player who walked on at UGA in 1985 without ever having played a down of American Football. When he finished his career in 1988, he held the Georgia school record for sacks, which stood until 2004 when David Pollack surpassed him. He was drafted by the Cardinals in 1989, and also played for the Patriots. He also later represented the United States in Rugby. |
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Heater
74 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2011 : 15:12:55
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| I didn't read all of the responses, but I'd recommend balling at a Jr. College for a year or two. Prove yourself at that level then the larger schools will be knocking down the door, if you have the talent. |
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Can you play College Baseball without High School?
