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blosee

24 Posts

Posted - 06/07/2010 :  11:13:16  Show Profile
Tension was high this weekend at the AABC 11UEast Cobb Tournament. There were coach’s who didn’t like coach’s, parents who didn’t like parents, coach’s who didn’t like parents, parents who didn’t like coach’s, kids who’d been cut from one team that now play for another, players who left one team to play for another team, parents who took their kid and left in middle of game and parents who can’t wait until this season is over to get on another team who’s coach they will soon hate after another season of travel ball.


Through all of that, most of us smiled and exchanged pleasantries. However, the smiles were insincere and everybody wanted to beat the pants off one another. Get the picture?? The tension was high. Although many didn’t particularly care for one another, there was some great baseball played this past weekend. All the teams played well. The Titans went 6-0 to win the tourney and were crowned AABC ECB 11Uchampion.


Here’s my wish!!!! I wish the ECB could form an 11U team with the best players on one team with a non-Dad, unaffiliated coach and play a couple tourney’s to end this year with a bang. This would allow all to see what the un-watered down version of 11U ECB really looks like. I know this will not come true. But, what’s the harm in dreaming. There are some tremendous 11U ball players at ECB.

Shut Out

512 Posts

Posted - 06/07/2010 :  12:05:02  Show Profile
Sounds like the usual ECB team shuffling is unfortunately already starting.

Edited by - Shut Out on 06/07/2010 12:55:12
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bball2008

100 Posts

Posted - 06/07/2010 :  13:37:50  Show Profile
It's not usual for just ECB. It started for many long before now.
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baseballpapa

1520 Posts

Posted - 06/07/2010 :  14:38:00  Show Profile
blosee: How would you check the scores of the games. Is there a website or something that you can go to. I am interested in the scores of the EC Colts. What was the order of finish. I can already tell you what an all-star East Cobb baseball team might look like and that would be Georgia Bandits although there has never been any tension or anything other than fun and a good time had with the Bandits organization. The chemistry on the Bandits is hard to beat with both the team and parents doing all things on the same page. I didn't say we agreed on everything but once the Coaches decide a course of action we all stick together and support them.
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TAZ980002

831 Posts

Posted - 06/07/2010 :  17:00:04  Show Profile
I can say as an outsider that it seems like a real shame that a powerhouse team cannot be put together in our age group out of ECB.

ECB has assembled top tier teams in almost all other age groups except the 11's. I've befriended many of the parents and players of ECB 11u teams and I too believe that a truly special team could be assembled out of this age group. I hope it happens next year. It would be great for GA baseball as a whole in my opinion.
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blosee

24 Posts

Posted - 06/07/2010 :  21:51:20  Show Profile
Papa and Bandit Hawk “I have a dream” that one day that team will come to fruition!!!!
Here are the results. I don’t think there’s a website you can go to for the scores.

There are five 11u teams and they played a round robin.
Titans beat everybody in 4 pool games
Astros beat everybody but Titans
I forgot exactly who beat who, Colts, Stars, Luck beat each other. All were 1-3 after pool
Colts didn’t make it to bracket play because of runs allowed.
Final……. 4 Titans beat Luck 11-0 Astros beat Stars 7-3
Final…..2 Titans beat Astros 10-4
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TAZ980002

831 Posts

Posted - 06/07/2010 :  23:16:24  Show Profile
blosee, I hope your dream comes true. Like I said before, it will be good for GA baseball if it does.

Congrats to Coach Chris and his team.
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qwikslvr

21 Posts

Posted - 06/08/2010 :  01:35:12  Show Profile
I can give you a limited amount of info.

luck vs stars, stars 13-8
luck vs titans, titans 6-4
luck vs colts, luck 10-2
luck vs astros, astros 22-5 (luck COULD NOT find the ball, with the bat OR GLOVE)couldn't buy a strike!
luck vs titans, titans 10-1

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bmoser

1633 Posts

Posted - 06/08/2010 :  07:53:14  Show Profile
I picked the Titans as a top 5 team back in January or February after seeing them last Fall, and all I heard were crickets chirping. You might recall I liked the Coaches ability to attract talent (an uncommon team attribute to cite).

Could another BMoser pre-season prediction come to pass? These guys have some serious MO right now. Do they play any more ATL area tourneys before heading off the Disney? I'd love to see them play Team GA, or Sandtown in a bracket game while they're hot.

They've got a lot of work left to do to reach undisputed top 5 end-of-season status, but I'm keeping my place on their bandwagon.
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DuluthHardball

12 Posts

Posted - 06/08/2010 :  16:16:46  Show Profile
I think everybody knows but just reluctant to say that the infamous ECB Dream team everyone is wishing for will happen at age 13 and this team will be called the ECB Astros. Anybody who knows the ECB Baseball system and its history knows that this is the age when the best kids in Georgia and outside the state want to start being an Astro or seriously thinks about playing at East Cobb as an Astro, and the biggest reasons - college and pro scouts(by the way at the MLB draft last night all commentators agreed that East Cobb produces the best players IN THE COUNTRY). Also, the paid Astro coach starts at 13 so you know Daddy ball is gone. Some people may argue that it is at age 14 when the best of the best in Georgia wants to be an Astro and I would even dare say that you might start seeing the best of Georgia begin migrating to ECB Astros at age 12. The bottom line is it is not a question of "what if" it is a question of "when". Guys, the writing is on the wall. By the way, as much as I respect baseball papa I cannot see his beloved Bandits playing together much longer for the reasons I mentioned above. Sorry, Papa.
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BREAMKING

323 Posts

Posted - 06/08/2010 :  17:13:27  Show Profile
Bmoser you do realize this is not the same Titans team as last fall. They are way better than they were just a couple of weeks ago. I agree they are pretty darn good and really hot right now. Would love to see a top five matchup with them being involved.
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Tball

142 Posts

Posted - 06/08/2010 :  20:30:50  Show Profile
BREAMKING, You are right the Titans are better now than they were. This is probably due to the fact they picked up some kids to finish the year, and have kids that have been there all year sitting the bench.
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bmoser

1633 Posts

Posted - 06/08/2010 :  20:46:47  Show Profile
So far as I know, they are the same except for 3 exceptional players they picked up. Can anyone confirm? They had a key injury early on, and tht exceptional player is now healthy.

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Originally posted by BREAMKING

Bmoser you do realize this is not the same Titans team as last fall. They are way better than they were just a couple of weeks ago. I agree they are pretty darn good and really hot right now. Would love to see a top five matchup with them being involved.

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baseballpapa

1520 Posts

Posted - 06/08/2010 :  21:27:19  Show Profile
DuluthHardball: Papa does not disagree with you at this point but I would like to make some points. The Astro name does not carry the same weight it did even 2-3 years ago and appears to be losing more and more each year as other programs are beginning to build up using the same model as the Astros and some of the programs appear to be doing it better than the Astros. We (The Bandits)are not naive enough to believe that the Bandits would be together forever but I can assure you that we will hold them together as long as possible and that you will have to pry the baseball bat out of our cold dead hands before we give it up.

The 13U Astros just got waxed on their home court with the Roadrunners being the winner and the Astros down in the lower tier of their own Tournament of Champions. At 13 years old it does not appear that the Astros are even the best team at their own park with the Longhorns beating them twice in the past few weeks. The 13U Tennessee Tornados and 643 are sother example of up and coming programs and I hope to see them add several younger teams as they build up their program. Just an exclamation point that being a 13U Astro does not carry the same weight as a few years ago. As these other programs begin to hold onto their best players and not have them defect to East Cobb will dilute the East Cobb talent base even further.

I know that the older they get the more prestige the Astro name becomes. Please know that I love the Astro program as it has done more for Georgia baseball than anything else ever but you might agree that the talent base is a lot more diluted until they become at least 14 years old.

The game is changing and the successful programs have a way of changing with the game. There are a lot more options out there now that were not there several years ago and I am sure that East Cobb will make all the right choices to keep this special name special.
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DuluthHardball

12 Posts

Posted - 06/09/2010 :  08:39:21  Show Profile
Papa: I cannot disagree with your statement and that is why I mentioned some people might argue that most of the best in Georgia will migrate to the ECB Astros at age 14. Whether it is at age 12, 13, or 14 the so called dream team is not far away. Here is the bottom line - Guerry Baldwin at East Cobb has so much exposure with the pro teams and college teams, and at this point I do not see anybody else in the area being close to competing with him. In addition, Baldwin has a grand complex that kids(even from out of state) want to play at - this is a fantastic recruiting tool. I agree teams like 643 and Roadrunners are beginning to make waves but they still have years and years to go and especially because they do not have the same grand complex to compete. I believe they have the ears of some scouts(colleges and maybe pros) but their depth of influence compared to Baldwin's is not even close. Here are a couple of examples, read the Jason Heyward article in Sports Illustrated(you can read on line). SI did a fantastic job giving exposure to ECB. Another example is during the MLB draft the analysts mentioned that at this point East Cobb produces best training for youth baseball. I would bet that they are referring to ECB. Just like Jason Heyward's Dad, if I thought my kid had a shot at the college/pros I would like for him to play for the Astros, and I belive the majority of the Dads who understands the game and ECB history would feel the same way.
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baseballpapa

1520 Posts

Posted - 06/09/2010 :  09:33:12  Show Profile
DuluthHardball: Then most likely the question is not if but when the better players find the better programs. We all have to make sound decisions based on what best serves our children. The decisions are hard but need to be made the right way. There is a fine line between the right way and the wrong way and I have seen a lot of what I think are poor decisions this year made not by the kids but by the parents.

You are dead on right about the complex and that is the biggest thing separating East Cobb from the field of contenders. Papa thinks that it is one of the most beautiful places on this Earth especially right after a big win.
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in_the_know

985 Posts

Posted - 06/09/2010 :  11:12:05  Show Profile
I've been hearing more and more dads chiming in earlier and earier each year regarding a "dream team" forming in Georgia to compete at a national level. IMHO, this would be one of the worst ideas and wouldn't last for the following reasons.

1. The focus at 10, 11, 12, 13 should be to develop the kids for high school or whatever future they may have in the sport. To try and pull together 12 kids at these ages with the sole purpose of "competing" at a national level would be an incredible disservice to these young boys. There would be no focus on developing them a different positions or working on specific skills (bunting, moving runners, switch hitting, etc) as the stated goal would be to win now. Players would get pigeon holed into certain positions. It is very likely that most if not all would ultimately attend different high schools where they would likely be called on to play a different position than on their "dream team". This would do little to prepare them for that future.

2. If you put all the top kids (and certainly a big focus would be on pitchers), how would these kids get enough AB's against live pitching of adequate caliber? Now, on any given weekend, you can play against the top 1 or 2 aces on any staff of most metro teams and run into a buzz saw. If those kids are all consolidated onto a single team, then you have to face the teams from NC, Ohio, FL, etc., to face that level of pitching. How often are you going to do this? Maybe 2-3 times a season vs. the chance to do it every weekend here in Georgia. The only real option would be to play up in every tournament. The 12u Astros did this a great deal early this season and played alot of 3 and out tournaments. Heard some grumblings along the way....

3. Will the kids have fun? Face it, these little guys like playing with their friends. Sure, they will make new friends along the way, but for many of these guys, the majority of their fun is the time between games or in the dugout with their team mates. This is a big reason that the kids don't burn-out. Take part of this away, and how many of them will weather a season of the demands put on them. We hear time and time again that part of the Bandits success is cemented in the play time they have together off the ballfield. Until this year, all their full-season players were from the local community and they had the ability to hang before and after practice to do this. To put this team together, you'd have to drive from the 4 corners of Atlanta and beyond. The doesn't really support much time together outside of practice and games.

4. In line with #3, what about team & family chemistry. As important as the kids having fun, the parents need to gel as well. Look at the title of the topic that started this thread "Tension". How do you think little Johnny's dad is going to handle little Johnny being the 8 hitter and playing 3 innings a game in the outfield instead of being the 3 hitting SS playing every inning with his team today? Don't think that will cause some tension?

5. Coaches. Who would coach this team. Again, the topic of this thread points out all the dislikes between coaches, kids, parents, etc. Next year we'll see the shuffle of all of the above and guess what; by the end of the year you'll see the same thing. The song remains the same, only the names and uniforms change.


Look at Shut Out's statement, "Sounds like the usual ECB team shuffling is unfortunately already starting.". As he points out, this is not unusual. There is a certain 12u team out of ECB that has been working toward doing this since 10's. Each year he picks up and drops players during the season. He starts out strong each year, but typically, around this time of year, families start fleeing like rats off a sinking ship. Why is this? My guess is that most aren't willing to trade the downside (just a little of which I've mentioned above) for the "status" of having some elite dream team.

There is so much talent around here between the ages of 8 up that keeping it distributed is the best thing that can be done for developing these kids.

Most of this chatter is driven from the egos of Dads that seem to care what someone from Florida enters on a discussion board that their state is better than ours. This isn't something that I've ever heard a kid at this age say they would want and, outside of college football, I've never heard a kid care if Georgia was better than Florida or Carolina or Tennessee or vice-versa.

There are many more reasons than what I've listed against this being a good idea, and certainly, many of you will argue against these with some very valid points. As you do, I suggest that you consider we're talking about kids, not adults, or even young men yet. Also, ask yourself whether your points are rooted in your your kids best interest in developing. If you think that he gains some national exposure by all this that will make him the next Bryce Harper, you may be right, but I'll also point out that there were 924 other players taken in the draft, all of which took different routes to get where this point in their career.
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Shut Out

512 Posts

Posted - 06/09/2010 :  13:58:11  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by in_the_know

I've been hearing more and more dads chiming in earlier and earier each year regarding a "dream team" forming in Georgia to compete at a national level. IMHO, this would be one of the worst ideas and wouldn't last for the following reasons.

1. The focus at 10, 11, 12, 13 should be to develop the kids for high school or whatever future they may have in the sport. To try and pull together 12 kids at these ages with the sole purpose of "competing" at a national level would be an incredible disservice to these young boys. There would be no focus on developing them a different positions or working on specific skills (bunting, moving runners, switch hitting, etc) as the stated goal would be to win now. Players would get pigeon holed into certain positions. It is very likely that most if not all would ultimately attend different high schools where they would likely be called on to play a different position than on their "dream team". This would do little to prepare them for that future.

2. If you put all the top kids (and certainly a big focus would be on pitchers), how would these kids get enough AB's against live pitching of adequate caliber? Now, on any given weekend, you can play against the top 1 or 2 aces on any staff of most metro teams and run into a buzz saw. If those kids are all consolidated onto a single team, then you have to face the teams from NC, Ohio, FL, etc., to face that level of pitching. How often are you going to do this? Maybe 2-3 times a season vs. the chance to do it every weekend here in Georgia. The only real option would be to play up in every tournament. The 12u Astros did this a great deal early this season and played alot of 3 and out tournaments. Heard some grumblings along the way....

3. Will the kids have fun? Face it, these little guys like playing with their friends. Sure, they will make new friends along the way, but for many of these guys, the majority of their fun is the time between games or in the dugout with their team mates. This is a big reason that the kids don't burn-out. Take part of this away, and how many of them will weather a season of the demands put on them. We hear time and time again that part of the Bandits success is cemented in the play time they have together off the ballfield. Until this year, all their full-season players were from the local community and they had the ability to hang before and after practice to do this. To put this team together, you'd have to drive from the 4 corners of Atlanta and beyond. The doesn't really support much time together outside of practice and games.

4. In line with #3, what about team & family chemistry. As important as the kids having fun, the parents need to gel as well. Look at the title of the topic that started this thread "Tension". How do you think little Johnny's dad is going to handle little Johnny being the 8 hitter and playing 3 innings a game in the outfield instead of being the 3 hitting SS playing every inning with his team today? Don't think that will cause some tension?

5. Coaches. Who would coach this team. Again, the topic of this thread points out all the dislikes between coaches, kids, parents, etc. Next year we'll see the shuffle of all of the above and guess what; by the end of the year you'll see the same thing. The song remains the same, only the names and uniforms change.


Look at Shut Out's statement, "Sounds like the usual ECB team shuffling is unfortunately already starting.". As he points out, this is not unusual. There is a certain 12u team out of ECB that has been working toward doing this since 10's. Each year he picks up and drops players during the season. He starts out strong each year, but typically, around this time of year, families start fleeing like rats off a sinking ship. Why is this? My guess is that most aren't willing to trade the downside (just a little of which I've mentioned above) for the "status" of having some elite dream team.

There is so much talent around here between the ages of 8 up that keeping it distributed is the best thing that can be done for developing these kids.

Most of this chatter is driven from the egos of Dads that seem to care what someone from Florida enters on a discussion board that their state is better than ours. This isn't something that I've ever heard a kid at this age say they would want and, outside of college football, I've never heard a kid care if Georgia was better than Florida or Carolina or Tennessee or vice-versa.

There are many more reasons than what I've listed against this being a good idea, and certainly, many of you will argue against these with some very valid points. As you do, I suggest that you consider we're talking about kids, not adults, or even young men yet. Also, ask yourself whether your points are rooted in your your kids best interest in developing. If you think that he gains some national exposure by all this that will make him the next Bryce Harper, you may be right, but I'll also point out that there were 924 other players taken in the draft, all of which took different routes to get where this point in their career.



In the Know: I nominate your post one of the best of the year.

i think you hit the nail on the head. The kids just want to play ball and have fun. All the movement to build the next great team is from the dad's and coaches. You 99% of the kids want their team to stay exactly the same from year to year. for that matter the 1% that want their teams to change are usually the kids who don't fit in anyway due to already moving from team to team each year in search of the great one.
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Hurricane

351 Posts

Posted - 06/10/2010 :  09:05:09  Show Profile
i bet the better your child is the more likely you are to lean toward this type of idea of a dream team.
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Spartan4

913 Posts

Posted - 06/10/2010 :  21:01:25  Show Profile
I agree Hurricane....Also believe it or not some kids enjoy winning. My nephew has a few friends on the Bandits and I can promise you those kids don't like losing. And when they lose they realize it is part of baseball but it lights a fire under them pushing them to work harder than ever. A dream team can work (Bandits) but the parents must have the same or very similar goals. A dream team of kids who's parents all are expecting their son to play SS and be the ace will never work, that's why I think the Bandits can be used as a model. I can guarantee those parents NEVER say a word about where their son bats in the lineup or what position they play, they are working to achieve one goal of competing nationally. They seem to have fun while doing it too!!
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Hurricane

351 Posts

Posted - 06/11/2010 :  07:29:13  Show Profile
I agree and agree it can be done. Probably not for everyone but it is for some, more power to anyone starting an elite team.
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