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newman
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 Posted - 05/21/2010 : 13:10:21
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| Watched a kid at first go into second fairly hard to break up a double play last night. He was called out as well as the batter. He slid in feet first toward the fielder and hooked the bag with his forearm. How is this interference? |
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rock44melnix
110 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2010 : 14:25:37
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NFHS rules if that is what the tournament played by requires the runner to avoid contact or if slides, slide legal. You mention he slid, again if played under NFHS (high school) rules, he must slide straight into the bag, not the fielder, and if into the bag, he can't slide past the bag nor pop up from his slide and contact the fielder.
It sounds like he slid to the side of bag here to slide into the fielder which I believe by MLB rules would be ok, but by NFHS rules it's not a legal slide and he would be out. I think it's umps judgment to whether the batter/runner would be out, he'd have to have the "judgment" that a double play was likely to occur. |
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Sox
55 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2010 : 14:33:20
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| Had a kid slide into 2nd base, Umpire called him out because his feet went across the bag. |
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michaelp
20 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2010 : 15:20:32
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| He must slide directly into the bag and not through the bag per NFHS rules. |
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2010 : 15:50:30
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newman:
In 11u baseball, I don't want to see runners taking out middle infielders for safety reasons irregardless of what the rules say. I like to see base runners try to avoid contact wherever possible.
Last night, my son was barreling home when he noticed the catcher in a very vulnerable position while trying to catch a short incoming throw. The catcher was on the ground 4 feet up the line from home plate with his arm stretched out right where my sons slide would start. Had he slid, he would have likely broken the catchers arm. Instead, he wisely strode over the catchers arm landing directly on the plate avoiding contact.
The opposing Coach argued with the ump. I couldn't hear what he was saying, but I'm guessing he was contending my son had to slide. I couldn't care less if there's rule he has to slide, or not, he prevented a dangerous collision.
For you GGBL'ers out there, it wasnt a GGBL game.
Safety first is my opinion for this age group.
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2010 : 16:28:12
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newman:
Here's the rules for our league.
# Slide Rule - Whenever a tag play is evident, runners must slide or seek to avoid contact with the fielder. Malicious contact shall supersede all obstruction penalties.
* Penalty: Runner shall be declared out and may be ejected at the umpire’s discretion.
* Note: When enforcing this rule, the umpire should judge the runner’s intent. If the umpire feels that the contact was unintentional, then the runner should only be declared out. If the umpire feels that the contact was intentional and/or malicious, then the runner should be declared out and ejected. |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2010 : 18:16:39
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| I hate this rule.....How many people actually get hurt from takeout slides?? It gives the kid a free out, I can see how their is really no other way but to try and avoid collisions at this age but I still don't like it. The rule at the HS level is ridiculous to IMO, these guys are men and they are missing a part of the game, and I would hate for my nephew or one of his friends to get absolutely smoked standing all over the bag if they happen to play a tourney where takeout slides are allowed. Uniform sets of rules would make this sport a lot less complicated, every tourney, age and umpire has a different interpretation of every rule. |
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DecaturDad
619 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2010 : 20:15:16
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Originally posted by Spartan4
I hate this rule.....How many people actually get hurt from takeout slides?? It gives the kid a free out, I can see how their is really no other way but to try and avoid collisions at this age but I still don't like it. The rule at the HS level is ridiculous to IMO, these guys are men and they are missing a part of the game, and I would hate for my nephew or one of his friends to get absolutely smoked standing all over the bag if they happen to play a tourney where takeout slides are allowed. Uniform sets of rules would make this sport a lot less complicated, every tourney, age and umpire has a different interpretation of every rule.
My 10U son stands 5'5" 130 pounds. You really want him to intentionally slide into one of your players? I don't. |
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11baseball11
90 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2010 : 20:54:04
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| Spartan4, Had a kid knocked out cold on a play at home this year. Same kid almost broke his arm last year from a foot to the glove. An out is a minor price to pay when you are talking about a players health. |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2010 : 05:02:53
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| I have a 10U kid on our team that big as well, I'm not saying I think we should have kids bulldozing each other out there. I don't think at the 10U level there are very many take out slides. And a clean takeout slide where you grab a leg with an arm would more often than not just break up a double play. I don't know about the 10U ball you have been watching but I have seen less than 10 double plays, and all but two have been a hard hit ball right at the SS where he steps on the ball and throws the runner out long before any slide occurs. The point I was trying to make is if you play 20 tourneys where the SS can just stand on the bag without clearing the bag after an out, and the 21st tourney you play doesn't have that rule...My nephew plays SS and he has been run thru this year, I wasn't thrilled but I have told him time and time again that as soon as the force at second is recorded it is HIS responsibility to clear the bag as soon as possible. Once again I'm not advocating 10 year olds running over each other, I'm just saying it is a part of the game. |
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2010 : 07:46:41
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Spartan4,
A team we played Thursday night in a league game were down to only 9 players, lost one on a slide into 2nd base. |
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DecaturDad
619 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2010 : 09:36:58
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Spartan,
I do agree that the SS needs to clear the bag right after the out. Just not sure that intentianally sliding into him is the right way for him to learn. But then again, kids Do get hurt playing sports. Maybe we need to all go back to playing wiffle ball.....
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2010 : 19:52:46
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Season,
We are seeing blocking the bag at 2nd every weekend. Anybody have any answers for this? I don't want to hurt the kids doing it, because its the dysfunctional Coaches teaching it. None of the umps we've told have done squat about it.
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2010 : 22:15:05
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| We had our number 9 ejected last Sunday for a collision at the plate....And I have been telling my nephew there is absolutely zero reason to block the bag, just to swipe tag and show the ump the ball. However, I do think the only way he is going to learn is the exact same way most middle infielders learn, one hard slide when the players go to spikes. Generally once a player has felt the spikes he never blocks the bag again.....We saw it just today in the 16s at ECB, kid layed in front of the bag to make a tag, the SS got spiked hard. Kinda pointless when they were up 9 runs anyway tho |
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BREAMKING
323 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2010 : 00:17:12
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| The kids are being taught wrong. If you kid is on a team where the coaches do not know how to teach how to cover second base you need to find a new team. They need to learn this at 11-12. Spikes are right around the corner and they need to learn this now I think. |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2010 : 23:33:58
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| I agree 100% BreamKing.....I know us playing with 8 players was HORRIBLE they just walked our player everytime to get to the ejected players spot in the lineup. |
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