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Scoremore
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 Posted - 04/12/2010 : 09:49:08
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| 10BB- Looks like the "small" battle turned out to be HUGE for the Bombers since without the Longhorns scratching and fighting their way back to the championship your Bombers would not have their Disney berth. |
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baseballbrad
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Posted - 04/12/2010 : 09:54:55
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The test of true champion is how you handle defeat. The Lynn Haven Longhorns have now won 2 super NITS's and you throw in the comment to look at win- loss record. Incredible! When you get beat just tip your hat and work on the things that beat you instead of throwing jabs. You should be thankful that they have already dominated the Atlanta Super NIT so they could pass the berth they earned again to the Bombers. You may be right about the Winder tournament but as of a few weeks ago Lynn Haven was not invited thus exposing the flaws with the selection process. You cant blame them for the lack of teams in the SUPER NIT. Great job Longhorns.
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Originally posted by 10 BB
Good job in Sunday play goes out to the Longhorns, you managed to win another small battle in the 2010 war. I for one look more into win lose recoreds to judge the worth of a team not just the win of a one on one match up. In the 11u age group any given team (pitcher) can beat another team and the true test of a team will be to face stiff competition in an elite format much like the Winder Ga. tournament or the Elite 32. This is the type tournament the Bombers and Bandits do well in and it will be interesting to see how the Longhorns fair out in this type tournament.
The Longhorns are a very good team and deserve to be recognized as one of the top teams in the country. This team will be even better when one of their top pitchers rejoins the team when school lets out and the time is right. We (Bombers) look forward to another battle and I feel like both teams should thank Coach Rich Lupinno for some of the success of Lynn Haven baseball being thrown in national spotlight as one of the hotbeds for youth baseball players.
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 04/12/2010 : 10:15:09
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Originally posted by Scoremore
Sometimes a win loss record doesn't show a teams greatness.It's the compition they face and how they play the game. And last time I looked it took an entire team to win a ballgame. There are many great pitchers out there but it takes a few ""bats" and a strong defense to support a great pitcher. And one final note, I thought the Longhorns didn't even throw their best pitcher in both games you lost to them. The Longhorns have many great pitchers and it's hard to pick a top one. It all depends on what type of team they are facing which determines who is the "best" pitcher.
Scoremore, I mean no disrespect but it is abundantly clear who is the Longhorn's #1 pitcher - there's not even a close second to WW on their team. The Longhorns can hang with any 11u team in the country when WW is on the mound. He is head and shoulders better than any other pitcher on their team. You are absolutely right though about winning as a team. The Longhorns are also very solid at the plate and in the field. WW is the difference maker on their team though. Without him they would not have beaten MBA or the Bandits in my opinion. With that said, a lot of credit has to be given to the coaches for managing their pitching the way they did in both SNIT's and to the players for doing what it takes to win when they were in the situations they were in. |
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stinger
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Posted - 04/12/2010 : 10:23:07
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Originally posted by 10 BB
Good job in Sunday play goes out to the Longhorns, you managed to win another small battle in the 2010 war. I for one look more into win lose recoreds to judge the worth of a team not just the win of a one on one match up. In the 11u age group any given team (pitcher) can beat another team and the true test of a team will be to face stiff competition in an elite format much like the Winder Ga. tournament or the Elite 32. This is the type tournament the Bombers and Bandits do well in and it will be interesting to see how the Longhorns fair out in this type tournament.
The Longhorns are a very good team and deserve to be recognized as one of the top teams in the country. This team will be even better when one of their top pitchers rejoins the team when school lets out and the time is right. We (Bombers) look forward to another battle and I feel like both teams should thank Coach Rich Lupinno for some of the success of Lynn Haven baseball being thrown in national spotlight as one of the hotbeds for youth baseball players.
The Longhorns beat both the Bandits and Bay Bombers back-to-back after making an undefeated run through the ATL Super NIT. They have won the last two big tournaments in the Southeast. I think they deserve a little more respect. |
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 04/12/2010 : 10:48:34
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baseball brad knows that baseball papa handles defeat about as bad as it can be handled. Nobody and I said nobody can take anything away from the Longhorns as they saw the opportunity, played hard and won. Bandits lose very few games in this division and know that when we do get beat that it had to be a great team to do it and just as we did last year the 2 times we lost I tip my hat to a great effort by a very good team. I even take no consolation that the Bandits beat them 10-3 and they only beat us 4-2. The only one that matters is the last one and we are now officially the chaser's instead of the chasee's and as ole Sheriff Buford says in Smokey and the Bandits "You are the gosh darndest chasee that I has ever chased."
Papa has played this game a lot longer than some of you guys and the reason that I love the game so is that it will not let any team dominate for very long. There are just too many ways to lose a baseball game and many have little to do with talent. You can replay any loss and find 10 things that could have changed the game in your mind but the final score will never change. Bandits lost and you can bet that we will deal with it by working harder especially on hitting curve balls.
The thing that surprised Papa was the curve ball thing. We have not ever seen this pitch thrown in Georgia and have not had a reason to work on hitting the curve ball although we did see some in the 12U division but not every other pitch. The Coaches and Parents of all the kids at this age should be very careful to protect these kids future. This is still 11U baseball and it is not worth sacrificing a child's future to win a 11 year old baseball game. Some say a couple of the Bandits throw a curve. Our Coaches and parents of these pitchers say that is a 12-6 football type throw and that the wrist does not snap or twist. Papa does not understand the difference but I can tell you that I believe that I saw a real curve ball being thrown from a tremendous pitcher this weekend and I hope and pray that I am wrong about the curve ball thing as this child could be a special baseball player if he is brought along the right way. I also would make a plug that the Bandits could use a good pitcher and that Papa keeps blank contracts in his car for this type player. Call 1-800-Help ole Papa out"
Good job Longhorns.
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2010 : 11:06:40
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I agree with stinger. What the Longhorns have done is special but respect is not something to be given, it is something to be earned and I think they have earned it. Bandits have been playing this thing for 3 years now and I believe when we started that we were a lot like Rodney Dangerfield and couldn't get any respect but we kept plugging and filling holes and eventually earned the respect we were looking for and this is the same thing the Longhorns are doing now.
I advise you all that the Longhorns beat us one game but they did eat us and that we have not gone quietly into the night. When the Bandits goes out it will be the same way we came in "kicking and screaming and stealing bases" Dang, I love this game. I said it last year and I will now say it again. "WE WILL BE BAAAAAAAAAAAACK".
The Longhorns had ole Papa down for a short period of time but the sun came up this morning, my family and grandchildren are all smiling and healthy and I heard that the umpire lost a tooth. This is a brand new day and that is plenty enough to be thankful for. |
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10 BB
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Posted - 04/12/2010 : 11:08:29
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We have lost to the Horns in the championship game in the last two S-NIT's if you guy's think I have no respect for them your wrong. They beat us this tournament with our #1 pitcher on the hill the entire game and I for one know what they can do with their bats. I want to see how the work their pitching staff in an elite tournament or better yet in one much like Triple Crown where you only get 6 inninigs and if you play poorly in pool play you play in the silver bracket. A tournament where Sat. play does matter or a week long tournament.
Jimmy you may have taken me wrong as we attempted to save our best pitcher for you guys and you still beat us. As for the Disney berth how do you know we would not have gotten it facing another team. You and your staff know our kids very well heck you had two centrfielders. I have tried to give props to you but you are to sensitive, chill as of now you are probably the best team in Florida and possibly in the country!!! |
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PANNI
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Posted - 04/12/2010 : 11:34:43
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| Here's what I saw on Sunday at the Orange Beach Super NIT. LH 4 - Bandits 2. WW III was incredible. Calvert matched him pitch for pitch. This game was a battle right to the end. Diving catch, double play to end the game. (controversial call to end it.) I would say this was one of the best games I've seen at this level of competition in quite some time (until later that night). LH 7- GC Lightning 5. I saw a post on another forum in here about whether they were AAA. Let me tell you, these boys fight to the end. LH jumped up 7-0. GC fights back in, score 7-5, runners on 2nd and 3rd, one out. Batter rips a line drive shot right at the 3rd baseman, who tags 3rd for a game ending double play. Do not underestimate the Lightning. LH 6- Bay Bombers 5. In my opinion, the best game I've seen. It was an absolute shame either team had to walk out of this with a loss. LH jump out 3-0. Bombers claw their way back to take a 5-3 lead. LH battles back in the bottom of the 5th to take the lead 6-5. Bombers go down 1,2,3 in the 6th. I have read a lot of post s on this site lately. Here's my opinion. LH's deserve some homage. Elite 32 and other tournaments will come in time but let's not devalue the tournaments they have won. I think that ATL Super NIT had 14 teams. They have won back to back Super NIT's, beating MBA Pride, Georgia Elite, Bay Bombers (twice), GC Lightning and the Bandits on Championship Sunday. This was my 1st time seeing the Bandits and they (in my opinion) are a great team. Great pitching, very athletic and fast, cover a lot of ground in the outfield, and hit like crazy. Baseballpapa's grandson was worth the gate fee to watch him hit and run the bases. GC Lightning were quick and the 1B made one of the best diving catches I've seen in a while. They need to get some depth at pitching. If the Bombers / LH game had been 9 innings, I would say there would have been 2 more lead changes. That game counld have gone either way, but I guess in a way it was a win for the Bombers as the LH's hand them their Berth to Disney. Burnt Orange and Powder Blue rolling down I-10 and I-75 in a car pool in August. Good luck to all. There was a lot of good baseball at Orange Beach this weekend and any of these teams could have won. I love youth travel baseball. |
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Student of the Game
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Posted - 04/12/2010 : 17:03:26
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| I have enjoyed reading all of the posts, watching travel ball tournaments and coaching for many years now. I find many of the posts very informative and it is interesting reading all of the various thoughts. There are some recent posts that have grabbed my attention. Bandit Hawk, I have been an objective observer of many levels of baseball for a good while now. Therefore as an objective observer, I will agree that WW is probably head and shoulders above the other Longhorn pitchers. However, I will also say WW was by far head and shoulders above any other pitcher from any other team at both of the larger tournaments that I have been able to observe WW pitch in. I have also been able to observe many teams pitching staffs and will say that this team from Lynn Haven has a pitching staff that is just as deep, just as good if not better than any other team I have observed. If that wasn't true, someone else would have won the recent tournaments I have been able to observe. I do agree with an earlier post that different types of pitchers are better suited to pitch against different types of teams. I think we can all agree that a dominant pitcher backed by a great team can win many championships. If I remember right, I believe the Lynn Haven team had to win three games against three very tough opponents. I don't believe that I saw WW pitch in all three of those games. I don't believe I saw him play the entire infield, outfied, catch, and hit all at once. My point is, you can make the statement that they would not have won if he wasn't pitching, you can probably make that statement about any team if you take away their "ace" in a championship game. I have to assume you are with the Bandits. I'm sure you can make that same generalization about that team or any other team. When all is said and done it does take skill, luck, and a well coached team to win. I will say any team has a chance of winning on any given day. It sometimes amazes me that people refuse to believe what they saw. When the dust settled, it was that Longhorn team that settled many questions right out on the field the way it is supposed to be. I want to congratulate all of the parents, coaches, and most of all the kids that all of this is really about. I have one more post to reply to, and I will return to being an objective student of the game. |
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Student of the Game
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Posted - 04/12/2010 : 17:30:14
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| 10bb, as I stated in my earlier post, I have been objectively observing many levels of travel ball as well as coaching for a number of years and I have enjoyed reading all of the posts on various sites. I see that you are obviously with the Bay Bombers. That was one great championship game your team played against a very tough Lonhorn team. I see that you guys appear to be from the same community. Obviously there are some very talented players in your area. I also read your recent post that playing in tournaments such as Winder is where your team and the Bandits excel. It seems as though you are making a slightly off base comment toward this team from Lynn Haven. I try to make it to some of the larger tournaments and have recently observed the Longhorns and Bombers play in two separate championships games. I have to disagree with you that the Bombers threw their ace. The kid that pitched appeared to be very talented and quite a competitor, but from what I have observed it appears that your ace is that tall 3rd base kid. I'm not sure what you mean about the playing in a tournament like Winder. I have to assume that what you mean is that if the other teams pitching gets diluted from having to battle through elimination games then you have a better chance at winning? I have to assume you are saying that if you put your best players in there best postions against another teams best players in their best postions that the other team has a better chance of winning. I think you have a very talented strong team, I just don't like that thought process. I would much rather see both teams fielding there strongest lineup and play it out. That Longhorn team appears to be your nemesis. Any team can win on any given day, but when all of the dust settles, regarless of what we say or think, the questions are answered on the field. I will definitely try to make the larger tournaments in hopes of seeing your two teams play again. I wish you and your team all the best, but I have to be objective and until I see otherwise I think you know what I'm thinking and what everyone else has seen whether they believe what they see or not. Back to being a Student of the Game. |
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Scoremore
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Posted - 04/12/2010 : 20:09:52
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| I've been reading about how much pitching depth the Lynn Haven Longhorns have or don't have and some of these teams may not realize but they didn't even have to use 4 of their other pitchers, 3 of the 4 pitched in Atlanta, plus they will have another WW III, the "Missing Longhorn" back in a couple months. Each pitcher has something special he brings to the mound and it takes great coaches to realize what pitcher will get the job done. And a mistake was made Saturday am when the Bandits knocked the cover off the ball on a dominant lefty. Bad choice? Bad pitcher? I don't think so, he shut down the Bombers for 4 innings as well as many other quality teams in past touraments. Just like the Bandits realized when the Horns hit #5 so hard. He is a great pitcher but the Longhorns loved his pitches. They found out pretty quick that #13 was the best dose for the Longhorns. I also want to state his pitches were curving just as much as his opponent and who's to say what they were throwing? What they were throwing were darn good pitches! ...You are correct, against MBA and The Bandits, WWIII was the best pitcher for those teams - on that day. But if you must know, there are teams where he has pitched and they hit him so well they needed to bring in another choice. I heard the Longhorns didn't even throw their fastest pitcher in Alabama and they have another that can throw just as much "junk" that will keep any team off balance and out on their front foot looking "sick". So remember what they say when you assume.... The Longhorns are jammed pack with quality pitchers with different recipes to throw at and are ready for any "BIG" tournament. By the way I thought Super NIT's were BIG. If not than why were there such great teams like MBA, the "legendary" Bandits, the Bombers and many more? |
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TAZ980002
831 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2010 : 21:23:31
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Scoremore and SOG, you act like I have said something derogatory about the Longhorns. Instead, I have given full credit to their players and coaches for successfully navigating 2 SNIT's and I have complimented WW to the nth degree as a truly great pitcher. Please read my post again. If they have another pitcher as good as him, I haven't seen him. I have not made any excuses for the loss to the Longhorns. They deserved to win the game. I still believe that WW is the only pitcher on their staff (at least of the ones I have seen) that is capable of beating the Bandits or MBA. Again, full credit goes to the coaches for successfully navigating the tournaments. In both SNIT tournaments, the Longhorns used WW to eliminate what I consider to be the biggest obstacle in the bracket. They had other pitchers capable of handling the rest of the teams. If you think I am insinuating that the Bombers are not as strong offensively as the Bandits or MBA, yes I am. No offense Bombers, just my opinion.
Yes I am with the Bandits and my son is #13. My name is Jim Calvert. Now, how about you come out from behind your secret identities and expose yourselves? |
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bmoser
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Posted - 04/12/2010 : 21:58:26
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PANNI,
Great Post, I love your style, just the facts. Lots of content. Shoulda been a sportswriter. |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2010 : 22:26:05
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Papa is a Bandit and will always be a Bandit but I am confused why the Longhorns are being asked to defend themselves. They played some great baseball, won the big games and in my opinion should not have to answer questions. There is not but one place that questions can be answered and that is on the field and the question was asked and the Longhorns answered the question on the field by playing some great baseball. END OF STORY.
None of us especially the Bandits should feel that you are unbeatable as the game of baseball is not built that way. Longhorns lost as many games this weekend as the Bandits lost all of last year but they won when they needed to win. This is what Champions do and they deserve credit.
There are many great teams in the 11U division and I still say that any one of these great teams can beat the other on any given day and that is why the Bandits will keep playing the game. There are many dogs in the 11U division that can hunt and this will end up being the best year so far by far.
Scoremore: The 11U Georgia Bandits have plenty enough to worry about without tags being put on us. We are not legendary. We are a group of 11 year old kids that love the game and play as hard as we can and win many but not all. We know that there is a bullseye on the back of our jerseys and have no problem sharing this bullseye with any that earn the right to wear it. Welcome to the world of seeing every ace on every staff and always seeing the best effort from every opponent. "It's a wonderful day in Mr. Bandits neighborhood" so welcome to our world.
Good Luck to all.
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bmoser
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Posted - 04/12/2010 : 22:47:07
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Baseball Papa,
Thanks for the paragraph breaks! If you read all the stuff on this forum, you know how nice they are. |
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PANNI
30 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2010 : 22:58:58
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| Bandit Hawk, I was very impressed with #13 on the mound at Orange Beach SNIT, so much so I had given him the nickname 'Lord Calvert'. He really mixed his pitches well and had a great fastball. In an earlier post, I mistakingly posted regarding Baseballpapa's grandson who I thought was #12, who I also nicknamed simply 'The Bradley'. He was kind enough to correct me and let me know that his grandson was #20. No disrespect intended on the nicknames, who knows, they may stick with them for a while. |
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Scoremore
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Posted - 04/13/2010 : 01:07:49
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| To Bandit Hawk and Baseballpapa- none of my earlier comments were directed to any of your posts. I have a lot of respect for you and your boys. And when I said legendary I meant that as a compliment. I have never heard one bad comment about your team, you are top notch. Your parents, fans and boys gave us the upmost respect this past weekend. Baseball is just a game, you win some and you lose some. It's all about the experience for our boys. It was an honor to finally play your team and be able to feel we belong. The longhorns have learned it takes a lot of hard work, tough knocks and thick skin to end up where we strive to be. We just hope to continue to achieve and grow. The Longhorns appreciate all the compliments your Georgia posts have given us. This is truly about our boys and they deserve a pat on the back for what they did. Win/Loss records, tournament choices...It's all about having fun. |
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 04/13/2010 : 09:26:11
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PANNI, thanks for the compliments. My son and I work very hard to earn his place on the Bandits or any other team. The nicknames are fun. Actually #20 is most commonly known as "Chainsaw" because he rips the ball. #12 does so many things well that we can't find a good nickname for him so your help is appreciated. To be really honest with you, I'm not so sure about "Lord Calvert". I'm trying to raise my boys to be humble and gracious - that nickname doesn't go along with that now does it ?? LOL
Please introduce yourself next time we are at the same tournament. |
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TAZ980002
831 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2010 : 09:28:20
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| Scoremore, well said. We really enjoyed playing your Horns. I hope we get another crack at you and especially WW very soon. I truly meant nothing but praise for your entire team. They are a very impressive group of boys. |
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momof12
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Posted - 04/13/2010 : 10:02:28
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Originally posted by PANNI
Bandit Hawk, I was very impressed with #13 on the mound at Orange Beach SNIT, so much so I had given him the nickname 'Lord Calvert'. He really mixed his pitches well and had a great fastball. In an earlier post, I mistakingly posted regarding Baseballpapa's grandson who I thought was #12, who I also nicknamed simply 'The Bradley'. He was kind enough to correct me and let me know that his grandson was #20. No disrespect intended on the nicknames, who knows, they may stick with them for a while.
No disrespect taken on my child's nickname. However, I think the name that the Longhorn's coach called my child has already stuck with him...everyone is calling him hotdog now. I didn't take it well at first but now everyone is enjoying it. Your nicknames are not hurtful; can't say that about the intent and the timing of the other name but whatever...
As for mistaking him for Papa's grandson, he would take that as a compliment as well. He loves his own grandfather deeply but Papa is a Papa to him and all the Bandits! |
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LonghornPapa6
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Posted - 04/13/2010 : 14:26:03
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| I want to thank both Baseball Papa and Student of the Game for your very honest and objective comments about our Longhorns. My grandson, #6..."The Missing Longhorn" will be back to play with his beloved teammates this summer, into The Elite 32 @ Disney. He and I look forward to his renewed contribution to The Longhorns journey. The LH Longhorns are our family, and we love them as our own. I have played, coached, and supported baseball all of my life, and I believe that The Longhorns are the best youth travel team I have ever been around, and I am very proud to have my grandson play for this team, and proud to be a Longhorn myself. Every one of us are fortunate to have our sons or grandsons on our respective teams, to enjoy all of our repective journey's...You Go "Boys of Summer" LonghornPapaCraig6 |
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PANNI
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Posted - 04/13/2010 : 17:49:50
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Bandit Hawk, I will work ona more humble nickname for #13 and get back with you.
Momof12, If my memory serves me correctly, 2 pitches after the hotdog remark, 'The Bradley' was sliding into home looking for the mustard.
As I previously mentioned, #12 was worth every $$ of admission fee watching him hit the ball and run the bases. |
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bkball
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Posted - 04/14/2010 : 09:53:59
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| I can't wait seven years to see how this all plays out. |
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 04/14/2010 : 10:23:00
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I can't wait seven years to see how this all plays out.
What do you mean? |
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bkball
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Posted - 04/14/2010 : 11:37:57
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| I just mean, I wonder if when our sons are 15 and 16 if we will think back to when they were 11 and we will realize how fanatical we were about travel baseball and if it was worth it. |
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