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11baseball11
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 Posted - 11/21/2009 : 19:16:05
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| Justin Case, You bring up a good topic regarding hitting. Maybe Papa can help us out here. I believe that power hitting isn't all about the homerun.If you hit it hard enough to get thru the gaps for singles and doubles, that you score many more runs than all the homeruns combined. Sometimes being able to hit the ball to the right side with runners in scoring position is more effective. Papa, about how many runs do the Bandits score via the long ball as compared to solid base hits? |
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bmoser
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Posted - 11/21/2009 : 20:50:30
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Justin Case:
Don't get too hung up on the here and now. Feel the future. Go to the spot where the puck is going to be. See the movie.
I knew there was instability in East Cobb (as there always is, but I saw a fault line was about to crack, which it now has). In a game of musical chairs, the best recruiter always finds a seat. Read my post about 11u EC parental jockeying.
The Titans trend line has been positive, and I liked their mental toughness. I like non-Dad Coaches. I believe in momentum. By game time, they will have the players I speak of, or close to it. The EC bandwagon is theirs, and I saw it coming. Now they just need to gain more confidence on the field where it really counts.
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 11/21/2009 : 21:16:39
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11baseball11: Bandits do not have the luxury of scoring runs. Our lineup is set up to manufacture runs. I think the difference that I am seeing with the Bandits now that I will call post-grip and before that would be pre-grip and prior to our hitting coming around was the other teams luxury of pitching around our power. You do not have that luxury now and are forced to pitch to our entire lineup. I also applaud our Coaches that would not accept that we couldn't hit that well and kept pushing the kids to get better in this area. We also have what I consider to be be one of the best lead off hitters in the nation and him setting the table makes everyone's job easier.
Watching the game is much easier than coaching the game but I can tell you that our Coaches have taught the entire game to our kids. I watch them at practice and the suicide squeeze, hitting behind runners, bunting, hit and run, and other offensive weapons are worked on weekly and I promise that this practice has paid off on more than one occassion.
Power is nice and a luxury to have but in my opinion will not win many championship games where you are facing the ace of the opposing teams staff. You have to be able to find a way to win the tight games especially in Georgia where every game is tough.
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Baseball
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Posted - 11/21/2009 : 21:43:33
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Justin Case/ ? / ? / ? /
You are officially the 11U resident expert and bmoser is off the hook. Please enlighten us with your expertise on 2010 projections.
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 08:54:00
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Baseball said...
bmoser is off the hook
Thanks! Let someone else put it all out there and get knocked around for a while. I need some time to heal these bruises anyway.
I think we need a Cobb County resident expert, because its so fluid.
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justin case
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Posted - 11/22/2009 : 12:05:22
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Baseball, it is pretty simple, you have the bandits and you have everyone else. I have seen the bandits completely dominate these other teams. These teams rarely score runs against them. If you do not have horses that can hit those four pitchers you will not be able to compete. And i have not seen any in GA with enough bats and pitching to compete.
I think Sandtown and Team GA are the other two teams that can beat everyone else.
All these tiers are silly. Those other teams: Holly Springs, Titans, Cougars. etc, they just do not have enough horses to run with these other teams. It is that simple. Now sit back and watch this play out and remember this post. |
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justin case
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Posted - 11/22/2009 : 15:07:41
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Baseball papa you make a great point, but you are not having close games in georgia. The problem is those Georgia teams do not have the aces you have. The bandits have four aces; those kids would be the number one Pitcher on the jags, cougars, titans, stars, chilidogs, Holly springs, etc. So everyone is playing for second place. It just is not fair.
So I do not see why some try to rank others because looking at the other teams everyone has one ace maybe with the exceptions of the cougars and they have hitting problems.
For example, lets look at Holly Springs, how many good pitchers?
Lets look at the Titans, How many good pitcers? Lets look at any of the other teams and you do not see dominating pitchers with the exception of a couple of kids at sandtown. And let us not forget that when they do come to cobb county they usually have there way with us. I saw sanDtown run through a tournament at east cobb last year and then they dominate in the championship game.
And Papa I think it is great how you say that you get good competition when you come to east cobb area, I am not buying, everytime you guys come here you beat teams bad. And you constantly give 643 alot of credit but how many runs have they scored on you in your last 4 or 5 games. Maybe 5 at the most? So bmoser and baseball, you are having pipe dreams if you think 643, titans, team ga or anybody in georgia can deal with those boys up north. I consider Danny the best coach in our age group and he has more pitching and defensive talent on his team than all teams in the area and he comes no where close to solving the bandits puzzle.
And lastly this tier thing is silly and I say this because all these other major teams can beat each other, because there just is very little depth on these teams. Most teams have one good pitcher, and they may have two good hitters. Some practice a little more then others and their defense may be good but they are not great.
So I think that all these teams can beat each other on any day:
Holly Springs, Titans, Cougars, Astros, Stars, Chilidogs, Jaguars, Jackets, Select Red and Blue.
Just the facts Jack
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 21:05:08
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| justin case: Just in case you are remotely right which I doubt. I might agree that in the long haul that it would hard for any team in Georgia 11U to compete with the Bandits, I totally disagree that we completely dominate any of these teams. The games we play are mostly close games that could go either way and if the opposing team gets a hot pitcher going against us then the game is on. |
Edited by - baseballpapa on 11/23/2009 21:27:51 |
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stinger
120 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2009 : 08:09:04
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Originally posted by justin case
Baseball, it is pretty simple, you have the bandits and you have everyone else. I have seen the bandits completely dominate these other teams. These teams rarely score runs against them. If you do not have horses that can hit those four pitchers you will not be able to compete. And i have not seen any in GA with enough bats and pitching to compete.
I think Sandtown and Team GA are the other two teams that can beat everyone else.
All these tiers are silly. Those other teams: Holly Springs, Titans, Cougars. etc, they just do not have enough horses to run with these other teams. It is that simple. Now sit back and watch this play out and remember this post.
I agree with Justin's first statement above. Here's a question for you . . . Do the Bandits have the best four 11u pitchers in the state? Is there anyone on any other team that is better than any one of those four horses? When answering, please don't give names, just teams. I've seen a lot of baseball and I can't think of anyone better than those four. Perhaps there are a few on par, but I can't even think of those at this time.
Regarding moser's statement earlier about defense, he didn't say who the other team is besides the Cougars that can play a perfect defensive game, but I'm guessing he meant the Bandits. I'd like to add a 3rd, Holly Springs. I actually would put them on par with the Bandits defensively and ahead of 643 Cougars. Extremely good defensive team.
Some of you questioned the Titans having power. I wouldn't. They have some big sticks to go with their already good hitting. But I also believe their pitching is not nearly as strong as some have stated on this post.
As far as Team GA goes, they've only played in one tournament with the big boys and everyone's basing their opinions off of that. While what I saw looked really good, it was a Fall tournament so who knows for sure. And since they haven't been playing as a team forever, they will be subject to be talent raided by other teams (see GA Grip). This will be their #1 issue in the next 9 months.
Finally, 643 beat the San Diego Stars in the Semi's at Cooperstown as well as 3 other top 20 teams in the country. That team has the Bandits # and won the Elite32 at Disney. While they don't have flare, the lack of respect for this is striking.
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11baseball11
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Posted - 11/23/2009 : 15:10:24
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Justin Case, It sounds like you just put all the teams into tiers yourself without using the word tiers.
1.Bandits
2.Sandtown,Team GA.
3 everybody else
The Bandits didn't play Sandtown or Titans/Bulldogs last year or this year so I don't understand the whole DOMINATE thing. It's fine to feel that way but, I think there might be some other motivation. Hopefully the stars will line up right for you in the future and you can enlighten us all. I don't think anyone has any money on the line, just passing time to get thru the winter. |
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sward
369 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2009 : 22:05:40
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I have to 2nd justin case. I agree with his points. With that being said, I do not care about being 1 or 2. I care that my boys get to see teams like the bandits and they compete. They only make us better.
Just a thought before the dead horse gets beaten....There will come a day soon, when none of our rankings and records matters. Opinions, Egos, and Pride will be forced aside and all our players will be in the hands of their HS Programs. At that pont, we will see if our work at 10U, 11U, 12U, etc has paid off. |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2009 : 22:21:58
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It's obvious that you guys are doing the homework and justin case, stinger and 11baseball 11 all make good points and give good information to back up your thoughts. The problem is that the baseball gods could care less about any of this and this is exactly what keeps me coming back. I can assure you justin case that the Bandits are going to prepare like we have never won a game as nothing we have done in the past carries over into 2010. I promise that we will come ready justin case the other teams decides that we are not as dominate as advertised.
Read my lips and remember that the game of baseball has proven over and over that if you prepare well and execute then you will have a chance to win the game. |
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justin case
57 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 09:02:08
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11basebal11, I am just stating the obvious. The Bandits have the most talent and great coaching. I am stating the facts.
I would bet that most of the major teams that played each other last year were able to beat each other on occasion, with the exception of the bandits and sandtown.
I have been around travel ball since my son was eight and it really is funny how people get so sensitive about pre-teen baseball.
But honestly If you look at all the major teams, again most have one to two great pitchers and maybe one to two great hitters and Maybe one good catcher. With that in mind it is just hard for me to seperate them. Now I do believe that the x-factor is coaching and some of the teams that are getting alot of attention on this site like the Titans, Holly Springs and Cougars have some of the better coaching. But, I do not think that it totally offsets all the holes that most major teams have.
Guys I think this is a fair assessment of the state of most of our travel ball teams in this area, I think this thing is a little diluted. Thats all I am saying. 11Baseball11,I feel you I am just tying to figue out how I a can avoid my in-laws over the next couple of days.
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HITANDRUN
436 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 11:31:05
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| I think the 6-4-3 Jags and Cougars have some pretty deep pitching and next to the Bandits might be the best around. |
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11baseball11
90 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 16:49:07
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Stinger, You are correct, Bandits have the deepest pitching staff around. They throw strikes and they throw hard. 643 on the other hand live on the offspeed pitch and that just seems to me to be easier to wait on as the season progresses. If your team can't hit a 70mph pitch you don't have a chance against the Bandits. 643 wants you to get out front of that offspeed pitch and hit a weak grounder. It worked well for them last year but I think teams will work on that this off season.
Justin Case, I don't think any one denies that the Bandits are the best but I don't think the talent is as diluted as it has been. I see better players gravitating to better teams making that 2nd "tier" of teams more competitive and others falling back. No, I'm not avoiding the inlaws, I just don't have much of a life outside of baseball.HAHA
Spring can't get here fast enough so we can all stop yackin and start hackin. It's only been 2 weeks and it feels like 2 months since we played. I think we need a new rule that states all the Bandits have to switch hit(from the unnatural side) so the playing field will be level,Papa can you talk to coach Troy for us.LOL |
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newman
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Posted - 11/24/2009 : 17:05:11
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justin case, Amen brother!!!
Until someone steps up it is the Bandits. Team Ga is a really good team, but what was the score of their game with the Bandits. 643 is another really good team, but they can't seem to put runners across the plate. If they had made one dominate team out of the Cougars & Jags, we might have something to talk about, but not yet.
11baseball11,
You don't get the "whole DOMINATE thing"? Who out there competes with the Bandits? NOBODY!! Sandtown might, but the only teams we can talk about are the teams that haven't played them. When someone else comes along and wins state title after state title, big tournament after big tournament, Cooperestown, then we can talk.
Danny gets alot of good talk, as he should, but we need to realize the job that Troy does with these guys. They do have several of the great players, but there is a reason they want to play there, and with only a tiny bit of turn over.
Right now the only people that can say they don't DOMINATE is the San Diego Stars! |
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bobo
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Posted - 11/24/2009 : 21:40:33
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| But Remember who beat the San Diego Stars, I think it was 643. |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 21:49:34
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Ya'll are going to cause Papa to get a ulcer talking about them dang San Diego Stars. You are so right in that they appear to have our number and if they really do the question should be why. Papa watched all of the games with them. Some of the things they did that you didn't was this.
Their pitchers especially the lefty kept our running game in check.
They hit the corners and kept the ball low and got a lot of ground balls that couldn't find a hole.
They scored more runs than we did which helped a lot.
They are extremely patient at the plate and appeared to have bought the home plate umpire.
San Diego Stars are not as good as at least 5 other ranked teams and we beat all of these other teams so go figure.
Bandits helped San Diego as much as they helped themselves.
We have had less than 5 bad games since Papa has been with the Bandits and 3 of the worst games we played was against San Diego so I would say that they are very lucky to have never played us at our best but then again they might have forced us to play their game instead of us forcing them to play ours.
Gosh, I just remembered why I love this game so much and that it is that you never know who will win until the game has been played. |
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11baseball11
90 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 01:30:40
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Newman,It wasn't that long ago that people said man couldn't fly but I'm sure glad the Wright brothers didn't listen to them. This great land was built on challenges that seem impossible, but if noone tried, think of all the things that wouldn't be. If you set a goal to be average, that is what you'll be. If everyone threw in the towel when they played the Bandits, it would suck to be them. I believe they love to be challenged and want us to give them all we have to give. When other teams get better the Bandits get better.
The DOMINATE thing was said about a few teams not all teams and of the 3 mentioned,only 1 had played them. I'm not saying the other 2(one being Sandtown) would win, but you can't be DOMINATED if you haven't played. Nobody will take their spot at the top but we owe it to them to give it our best shot. |
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Baseball
111 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 09:34:47
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Newman/justin case/bulldogbaseball100/ESEC2100
We appreciate all the versions that you have provided as the 11U resident expert. We wish you the best in your 2010 baseball experience. |
Edited by - Baseball on 11/25/2009 09:44:37 |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 12:37:02
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| 11baseball 11: Now that was well said. The better he teams in Georgia become the harder we will have to work to keep our edge. That is the way it should be. The word dominate does not read as well in baseball as it does in some other sports. Baseball has a way of keeping the playing field level. There is always a way to win in baseball you just have to figure what that way is. |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 22:51:55
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| I am glad that Bandit13 said some things that I have also thought but never said. We do have 4 great pitchers and we are proud of all 4 of them but our strength is in "Team". I can tell you for certain that we have several unsung hero's that never fail us when they are called on. Our lead off hitter has been handed the ball in what I consider the toughest situations with the game on the line many times and he has came through each and every time with Cooperstown and Mizuno Glory topping the list. And our shortstop has been called on twice with bases loaded and not outs and no one has scored yet. I have seen T shirts that stated that there is no "I" in Team and this is a very true statement. |
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 11/26/2009 : 08:28:52
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Originally posted by justin case
Baseball papa you make a great point, but you are not having close games in georgia. The problem is those Georgia teams do not have the aces you have. The bandits have four aces; those kids would be the number one Pitcher on the jags, cougars, titans, stars, chilidogs, Holly springs, etc. So everyone is playing for second place. It just is not fair.
justin case, I'm not trying to pick on anything you've said here, but in my opinion, not enough credit is given to ALL of the Bandit players. The defense behind the pitcher is what makes any of our pitchers special. Before joining the Bandits, I too assumed that they had 2 exceptional players and the rest were average - boy was I wrong !! This team is loaded with exceptional players from top to bottom. I, personally, feel that we have 7 or 8 aces - not just 4.
Then there is the genius of Coach Troy and the other coaches. I still think Coach Troy is a magician with a crystal ball. 
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jscoda
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Posted - 12/02/2009 : 08:34:14
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There are so many teams playing in so many tournaments its hard to see each team and give respect to teams not on the radar.
Some teams I think are pretty good:
Alpharetta A's
Acworth
Oregon Park
Venom
Yarddogs/Dodgers
Jackets Gold
Sandy Plains
Midway
Collins Hill
and I am sure there are many more that could be mentioned. Nearly all the teams mentioned are capable of beating anyone on any given day. Lots of good ball players out there.
You know, some days your team hits the ball right to the defense and some days your team hits the ball where the defense is not. A couple of feet this way or that way makes the difference a lot of times.
Does the ump like low pitches, high pitches, tight strike zone.... you name it, again its a matter of inches or perspective whether you win or lose.
Most of these teams are so close in talent it just depends on those small things. And again, some team will surprise everyone in a tournament and be the new sleeper....topic of discussion. |
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dirtdawgs
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Posted - 12/03/2009 : 22:39:24
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| The only reason the Chain Dirtdawgs added six is because we lost six. The Georgia Elite has most of our core players and most of Linedrives top players. The have a very strong team to watch out for. We rebuilt with 5 kids who have never played above AA. It will take time but should be a very good AAA team again but have no offense fire power at this time. Hope to rebuild and get the chance to compete against you big boys soon. |
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