| Author |
 Topic  |
|
hshuler
1074 Posts |
 Posted - 04/17/2012 : 12:01:38
|
quote:
Originally posted by baseballmom22
Congrats to the East Cobb Astros for the win this weekend. I heard Signature Park played some great ball. But yet another let down for the boys of them not coming out on top. Good luck on the next one maybe it will work out for you at one of these tournaments.
Mom22,
I'm not sure what you meant by "let down" and "maybe it will work out for you at one of these tournaments." Do you mean win one? That's only a matter of time but if we don't...yes, I would be very disappointed because I know that we are good enough to win any tournament that we enter but I could also sleep very well at night knowing that I had each and every player's best interest at heart.
We have a good team...we can and are improving but we are a good team. We have a great coaching staff. The boys are learning the game and more importantly, some life lessons...so this is about more than winning tournaments. We could jump into a ton of winnable tournaments and trophy hunt but it's just not who we are. That's not the Signature Park brand that we are trying to build. When parents thank me and tell me that I'm doing a good job, their boys are getting better and having fun...that's good enough for me. |
 |
|
|
Hobnailboot
143 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2012 : 14:43:50
|
HS....well said. Don't want to put my nose where it doesn't belong, but I was wondering what Mom22 meant as well. I watched you guys play twice this past weekend and no doubt you are going to be in the hunt each weekend. Maybe she didn't see the gauntlet of teams that you had to go through to get there. No disrespect to the Stros, but playing the Stars and Titans doesn't compare to Elite Gamers, who handed the Braves a rare Sunday off and 643. And yes....I did see each of these teams play over the weekend and your path to the ship was tougher. Sleep well coach. |
|
|
|
hshuler
1074 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2012 : 23:08:30
|
| Thank you, Hobnail! I appreciate the kind words about the team. Our kids work hard and are really good kids. I was very proud of them. |
|
|
|
Hobgood 1
78 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2012 : 00:09:53
|
| Maybe we should make this message board like the masters and not allow women? (just kidding) The East Cobb Astros and Braves haven' t left very many teams a opportunity to win a tournament this year. If you look at the quality teams in these triple crown tournaments it's not even easy to win in the silver bracket. I respect quality coaches that put player development above winning tournaments. These will be the teams that stick together and improve year after year instead of the ones that just play to win today. If you want a example of this working check out the 13u Ga Bandits |
|
|
|
Radar75
129 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2012 : 09:02:11
|
What teams were in the sliver bracket? quote:
Originally posted by Cumming baseball
Great job by all the teams in this tournament. The Silver bracket was loaded as well.
One thing that continues to be a problem is finding good umpires, Watching a 2-1 game on Sat night in the 4th inning and you have an umpire on his cell phone when the game is on should not happen at any level period.
No calls at the end of long day where I think these umps just want to get out there after being on the field all day. We ask these kids to sometimes play 3 and 4 games in a day but expecting these umpires to stay focused and understand the game is as much a challenge. These kids have worked too hard through out the course of tournament to not have an official concentrating their job. Calls are calls and we get that but atleast understand that wheather it's 9am or 9pm stay in the game.
|
|
|
|
Cumming baseball
62 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2012 : 10:19:13
|
Mom 22 keep posting I think we all know what you meant and you wish nothing but the best for SP. I think Hobgood needs to understand that the 13U GA Bandits were once 10. If the Astros and Braves can keep 80% of their kids each year and improve whats wrong with that? How many new kids did you have on your team? Half? Get on UTRIP and look at their (The Bandits) roster from 3 years ago when they were 10, they all came different teams. What are you talking about?
The Silver bracket had the CopperHeads, OTC, Mayhem all of the these are a top 10 major in the state. |
|
|
|
hshuler
1074 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2012 : 10:50:37
|
Here's my opinion...parents have every right to do what's best for their child. If that means moving on to another team/better situation then go for it. That's why rosters turnover. But at the same time coaches get a bad wrap for doing the very same thing. I haven't had to do this but I can't imagine how difficult it would be to tell a parent/player that you are moving on without them in your plans.
Some parents and players are very difficult to deal with and it's almost always the parent and player not truly understanding strengths and weaknesses. It's usually about what they want to do versus what they can do. So sometimes they leave to go to another team becuase they will get to do what they want to do on that team...and that's fine. No coach wants to put a kid in a position to fail. My love for my son will never allow me to do that to him, even if he doesn't understand it. He's ten, so he's not supposed to understand what's best for him but I am. My answer is always the same with him when he wants to know why he's not doing something that he desires to do...Work harder and get better! |
Edited by - hshuler on 04/18/2012 11:23:09 |
|
|
|
FLA-OTOWN
2 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2012 : 15:32:55
|
Hshuler,
I am a parent here in Florida and i been reading your post about playing and batting all your kids.
I am a parent on a 8 year old team here in Orlando and we have a coach that we as parent brought to help get our kids up to par but we are not getting what he told us he would give. We expected him to develop and teach the kids the game of baseball. he has said to us he will only play nine and bat nine and the other kids will only play if their are blowouts. Well this was news to the parents who thought this was going to be a developmentalm year to get ready for 9 year old ball. but now after money has been paid we are in a situation where kids are not playing doing games. and he states i bat nine and play nine. He has added three kids to the team and moved some kids out .
Now as a parent how do you handled this. My son strengths was hitting and his weakness was defense which need to be worked on. but he was adequate enough to play out in field. he was team number one hitter past two years and is hitting so far this year but due to the coach saying his defense is not were he wants it he sat him down and he has not played the past few games. I agree defensively he is not in the top 9 but hitting he is 1 or 2 so ifigured he would at least bat the team but he say no and now my son is complaining and wants to leave but i dont believe in quitting but I am asking what is appropriate to do in a situatiion where your son was having fun now is not happy and as a byprodfuct we have not won since. and parents are asking me why is he not playing and i have no answers but coach says he needs to get better. My problem is he is 8 and this is our first year in travel ball and we are not a top team at all and we as parents dont wont to pull kids but this expereince for them is not fun and they are not getting better for it. Any suggestions. |
|
|
|
hshuler
1074 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2012 : 17:20:16
|
OTOWN,
First of all, I feel for your son and the other kids involved who are not playing. In my opinion, every kid should be getting a chance to play and develop...especially at eight years-old. If he doesn't play how will he get better? Also, what is the coach doing to help him get better defensively?
Secondly, how does the coach justify not playing every kid if the team is not doing well? If the team is losing what harm will it do to let everyone hit.
Here's my suggestion - hang in there and finish the season. I would not allow him to quit. It sets bad precedence of throwing in the towel when things get tough. Also, I would keep all conversation positive about the coach. I would not let him hear you discuss anything negative about the coach with another parent or anyone. Don't view it as a wasted season. Encourage him to work hard and maybe spend some extra time on defense with him yourself if you can.
I hope that it turns around for you guys...
HS
|
|
|
|
kidsgame
35 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2012 : 19:09:25
|
| Well done hshuler and team! My 10U son's team also bats 11, and none are on the bench for more than an inning - so far. I love to win, but I also love that these 10-year-olds are getting great experience in game situations. These kiddos amaze me with their nerves of steel in high pressure situations. And, I'm happy that this message board is not like Augusta National :) |
|
|
|
baseballmom22
8 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2012 : 21:06:31
|
| Go ahead and block us women. However, I do have a lot of ball experience. The point I am trying to make is you need to teach fundamentals at PRACTICE not on the baseball field when playing a tournament at the major level and the competition that we have these days. And, yes I do understand that decisions are made to be in the best interest of the boys. |
|
|
|
Hobgood 1
78 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2012 : 22:08:13
|
| I'm glad to see a few people woke up and posted something. I see Signature Park is well represented and a occasional post from the Renegades. This board was getting so boring I was thinking of playing up to 11u hoping that bunch is more lively. Good luck to everyone this weekend and remember that most teams will finish this weekend losers and the reason you lost is more likely a error you made then a bad call by the umpire |
|
|
|
hshuler
1074 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2012 : 22:40:22
|
Kidsgame,
I agree totally. These kids are amazing!
Mom22,
Is the "you need to teach fundamentals at PRACTICE" comment directed at me? If so, how would you know what we are teaching at our practices or our games unless you are a part of our team?...which I have thought since your original post. Go back and read your comments and be honest about the real point you were trying to make. I know that some people want me to bat nine and I never thought that it was a coincidence that this topic was brought up on a discussion that I started about the competition in the Backyard Brawl. 6-4-3 batted 12 and gave us everything that we could handle. The EC Astros team that beat us batted ten, not nine. The 2012 10U Signature Park Titans will bat every available player...and I make no apologies for doing so. |
|
|
|
Mad1
252 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2012 : 22:46:45
|
| hshuler, We too bat all ours. We only carry 10, but no one sits more than one inning at a time. Everyone has a primary position and a secondary position and all are trained in pitching and the positions they ask to learn. Everyone one of them except one has pitched this year, and he hasnt because of his wishes. We have our primary pitchers, but feel that all need to know what the pitcher goes through while on the mound. Like you, our team has been successful and we are currently 18-6 this spring and have two tournament wins, and bat and play them all. Depending on the situation, we play the kids in secondary locations and let them experience the positions they want to play in game time situations. It works for our team, the kids have a great learning environment and the kids and parents all like it. |
Edited by - Mad1 on 04/19/2012 08:13:54 |
|
|
|
hshuler
1074 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2012 : 22:48:45
|
Hobgood,
That's the beauty of the game. There are no prefect coaches or players. The best batters strike out, the best pitchers have off days, the best coaches make bad decision and even the best umps miss calls...yet we continue to show up for more abuse...lol!
Where are you guys playing this weekend?
HS |
|
|
|
Hobnailboot
143 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2012 : 09:06:45
|
| HS....a couple of parents and I have no skin in the game, but we were wondering the same thing about the original post. Figured it had to be a current parent or former one for sure. I can assure you that our coaches teach fundamentals in practice and have no problem continuing it during the game which is the way it should be. |
|
|
|
hshuler
1074 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2012 : 09:11:58
|
Mad1,
I'm glad to hear that you guys are doing well and wish you continued success. I am officially done talking about the batting 9 versus batting 11 topic. :-)
Thanks,
HS |
|
|
|
FLA-OTOWN
2 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2012 : 11:20:19
|
Hshuler,
Well the problem is he doesn't have enough coaches and is not willing to allow outside help form parents who wants to see the team do well. As far as helping the kids get better he yells alot and gets frustrated because they are not progressing as fast as he wants to them to. So instead of keeping developing he is bringing in kids all the time to replace kids he thinks is not all in with baseball at 8. We are at 14 kids and he is tryiong to find more to replace others.
These things were not discuss at the begining of the season and to be honest we are not a top travel team we are a team who wanted to play more ball in tournaments because in our rec league we we beating everyopne and needed to find more competition. We found the competition but the coach instead of focusing on getting us better goes and recruit kids and then push some to the bench and do not play them at all unless we are in a blowout situation. The problem is we are not blowing anyone out so the kids are not playing.
I don't believe in quitting but how do you explain to a 8 year old son it will be ok just keep working hard regardless if you not rewarded for your efforts. He wants to play so we are considering changing teams to put him on a team were the focus is on the kids not the trophy. Travel bnall cost to much to allow him to sit and watch everyday he has to play to get better and the only way is to get on the field. Hshuler i agree about quitting but I think in this situation moving to another team is the option we choosing. Thanks for the advice. |
|
|
|
Koheleth
10 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2012 : 11:22:05
|
My concern is not batting 9 or 12 from a developmental concern, because I think you can do both either way.
I'm concerned about which one is better and gives more flexibility coaching.
I don't know all the rules on this but I have been involved in 4 or 5 games over the last 3 years in which players got hurt, we were batting 12, and we consequently had to take an out every time that players batting turn came up. One time, an opposing player got hurt and our coach didn't force them to take an out when the batter missed his plate appearance.
Nevertheless, doesn't having the option to sub players give you the flexibility to get everybody in the game defensively and offensively and avoid the automatic out when someone gets hurt and you're batting 11 or 12? |
Edited by - Koheleth on 04/19/2012 14:04:32 |
|
|
|
Hobgood 1
78 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2012 : 14:31:26
|
| We are playing in Chatanooga. We didn't see much going on loccaly this weekend except some 11u stuff. Where are you guy's playing? |
|
|
|
baseballmom22
8 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2012 : 15:46:29
|
| No my son does not play on your team but I have spoken with some of the parents from your team and I was just courious about others input. |
|
|
|
hshuler
1074 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2012 : 16:22:47
|
OTOWN,
You are in a tough situation. I would be curious to see what others suggest that you do. NWGA Baseball Community please read FLA_OTOWN's post from yesterday and today and chime in with your suggestions.
Koheleth,
We currently bat all 11 players. Fortunately, we haven't gotten anyone hurt so we haven't had to deal with an injury situation. I understand both arguments so I guess it just depends on what each head coach or coaching staff decides.
Hobgood,
We are not playing in any tournament this weekend but we do have a couple scrimmages on Sunday. I hope that the rain, rain will go away...
HS |
|
|
|
GTme97
4 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2012 : 14:14:12
|
HS,
I have seen you guys play a couple of times. You guys are legit.
Don't worry about how many you bat, focus on what is important... teaching fundamentals and developing young players.
You guys are gonna mess around and win one of these tourneys!
GT |
|
|
|
hshuler
1074 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2012 : 16:07:08
|
GT,
Thanks for the kind words about the team. We will continue to "coach 'em up" and hopefully our best baseball is ahead of us.
HS |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
Topic Locked
