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nbcfyoy
56 Posts |
 Posted - 01/23/2012 : 23:22:51
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There's not a lot of chatter...
What's the pulse of this year's USSSA participants in each 12U class?
AA? AAA? Maj?
What teams are predicted to be at the top?
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BravesFan
533 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2012 : 09:05:15
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| I think most are trying to figure out what in the heck usssa is doing and what teams got moved where. I did see many aa teams got moved to aaa and many aaa teams got moved to major but how was the decisions made. As I look at some teams who went from aaa to majors, some were not even .500 vs teams in class and some were aa teams in 2010. To me, a team should be moved up if they are winning at a .600 clip vs in class teams so win 2 out 3 games and get the bump. |
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FLABB
183 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2012 : 09:54:23
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| It is better than the way Utrip does it in the ole Fla. Much more systematic to facilitate competition as opposed to Coaches that think their teams are better than they are or just low balling it to get hardware and attract players to supplement their income stream. You know who you are!!!!! ;) |
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SMASH
253 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2012 : 10:37:27
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Braves Fan,
It appears to me USSSA lowered their standards to expand the Major class in our age group(12u). Why? I don't know. To spread the wealth?
To create more parity in the class? To create more opportunities for Maj. Tournaments? |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2012 : 11:42:16
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It doesn't make since??? I'm very sure we will hear more complaining when some of these teams don't get past one bracket game?? Or tournaments fill up first with these new teams and there's NO room for last years major teams?? What's going on?????
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Originally posted by SMASH
Braves Fan,
It appears to me USSSA lowered their standards to expand the Major class in our age group(12u). Why? I don't know. To spread the wealth?
To create more parity in the class? To create more opportunities for Maj. Tournaments?
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Edited by - Gwinnett on 01/24/2012 14:01:25 |
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PumknHead
81 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2012 : 12:16:52
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| Yes! More major tournaments = More Money! The majority of youth baseball is about money & ego. A small percentage is about the boys! |
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Glenn Newton
57 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2012 : 13:16:54
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Who cares what teams are on top, this isnt 9u baseball anymore, hopefully its about getting the players ready for middle and high school ball.
Smash, its because there are 20-30 teams out there that cant beat the other 19-29 teams on any given day.
Long live the Newton |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2012 : 19:34:38
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| I like it, there were a lot of AAA teams who were pretty good last season and wasted no time bragging every time they beat a major team. Now they get to compete with them every week, more major tourneys is a good thing IMO, now everyone will be able to play in Georgia instead of traveling all over the South. |
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BangTheBox
121 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2012 : 20:50:51
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The last three posts are all spot on. Very good exchange. Now can you guys move one state south? The State of baseball in GA is much healthier than in your neighbor to the south.
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Originally posted by Spartan4
I like it, there were a lot of AAA teams who were pretty good last season and wasted no time bragging every time they beat a major team. Now they get to compete with them every week, more major tourneys is a good thing IMO, now everyone will be able to play in Georgia instead of traveling all over the South.
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BravesFan
533 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2012 : 21:39:01
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Originally posted by Glenn Newton
Who cares what teams are on top, this isnt 9u baseball anymore, hopefully its about getting the players ready for middle and high school ball.
Smash, its because there are 20-30 teams out there that cant beat the other 19-29 teams on any given day.
Long live the Newton
Nobody in this thread mentioned anything about which teams are where, it was simply a discussion regarding what methodoligy was used by usssa in making some choices. |
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RACGOFAR
208 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2012 : 08:36:05
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Part of what USSSA did was consider past rosters in reclassifying. If a team has 6+ players that played together on a prior roster/team, I believe they used that team's record to classify this year. So if you are a new team and you have kids who played together in the past, they may look at that team's classification and record to place you this year.
I agree with Spartan, there were a lot of tweener teams last year that could have competed at at a higher classification. Some AAA and AA teams did that a lot, Most didn't. To me the top 5-7 AAA teams and the bottom 5-7 Major teams looked pretty much the same last year. |
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peashooter
297 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2012 : 10:33:38
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| I love all the detailed analysis of AAA, Major teams. It is 12U baseball. Odds are most kids on the 12U major team won't even be starters in HS. |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2012 : 11:12:31
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Pea, so what kids are more likely to be the starters in High School?
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Originally posted by peashooter
I love all the detailed analysis of AAA, Major teams. It is 12U baseball. Odds are most kids on the 12U major team won't even be starters in HS.
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bankerheel
34 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2012 : 11:30:53
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Originally posted by peashooter
I love all the detailed analysis of AAA, Major teams. It is 12U baseball. Odds are most kids on the 12U major team won't even be starters in HS.
I couldn't agree more peashooter. Let's take a look at the numbers. If you talk to any Varsity Baseball coach, they will tell you they usually play between 12-13 kids during the season. A breakdown by class is usually Freshman: 1-2 stud players(otherwise play JV), Sophomore: 2-3 players, Junior: 3-4 players, Senior: 3-5 players.
Having said that, if you look at a typical Georgia AAA-AAAAAA High School, they may have 40-75 kids in their middle schools that play travel baseball, or 13-25 kids per age group depending on size of High School. Not the best odds to be taking it so seriously at this age group. But of course, you can't reason with Johnny Baseball Dad that says his son is the next Bryce Harper........ |
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Glenn Newton
57 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2012 : 12:36:56
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Originally posted by BravesFan
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Originally posted by Glenn Newton
Who cares what teams are on top, this isnt 9u baseball anymore, hopefully its about getting the players ready for middle and high school ball.
Smash, its because there are 20-30 teams out there that cant beat the other 19-29 teams on any given day.
Long live the Newton
Nobody in this thread mentioned anything about which teams are where, it was simply a discussion regarding what methodoligy was used by usssa in making some choices.
My bad, I could of swarn in the first post(scroll up) he asked the question of who's gonna be on top. Sorry, must of been my lack of education. Thanks for pointing it out BravesFan. what what
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peashooter
297 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2012 : 13:29:20
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You will be lucky if 1-2 kids per team make any impact on a HS team at this level. Don't forget you have plenty of kids playing rec ball who may grow 10 inches and become a beast. That reduces your odds. Then you get the kid who picks up baseball their freshman year and is a stud. I remember my first instructional league with the Expos...we were sitting in the hotel room and the number of players that had just started pitching in either their senior year of high school or junior college was sickening. I had been playing non stop for 10 years since the age of 8, and these guys had been playing for 4 years or so.
Encourage love of the game and a good work ethic. Odds are they will be like me...writing software for a living. |
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BravesFan
533 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2012 : 14:30:38
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quote:
Originally posted by SMASH
Braves Fan,
It appears to me USSSA lowered their standards to expand the Major class in our age group(12u). Why? I don't know. To spread the wealth?
To create more parity in the class? To create more opportunities for Maj. Tournaments?
there is certainly room for more teams in the major category although there are more then most expected. Perhaps they did this so there would be more choices for major teams to play instead of traveling from state to state every weekend, who knows. Someone several clicks my pay grade makes these choices.
As far as the H.S teams, not sure why this got brought up but I do agree with most of you guys to a certain extent. Watched some rec ball this past fall and the fundamentals of the better kids are really bad, most kids in our H.S. district have played travel prior to making their teams so to me your chances are much higher then say staying in rec ball till 9th grade. Facing pitchers who throw 53mph at 14 doesn't get you ready to face top H.S. talent. |
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FLABB
183 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2012 : 15:30:48
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| There are tons of 12s locally in our area that are studs on stud teams and they are regressing. Not due to lack of talent but a lack of pure coaching. The biggest mistake I see is coaches that are too arrogant to realize what they do not know. We can only trust that when our kids are writing code for IBM that they look back fondly and are still posting on this discussion board. :) |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2012 : 17:22:08
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BravesFan, I agree and it makes the most since.
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Originally posted by BravesFan
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Originally posted by SMASH
Braves Fan,
It appears to me USSSA lowered their standards to expand the Major class in our age group(12u). Why? I don't know. To spread the wealth?
To create more parity in the class? To create more opportunities for Maj. Tournaments?
there is certainly room for more teams in the major category although there are more then most expected. Perhaps they did this so there would be more choices for major teams to play instead of traveling from state to state every weekend, who knows. Someone several clicks my pay grade makes these choices.
As far as the H.S teams, not sure why this got brought up but I do agree with most of you guys to a certain extent. Watched some rec ball this past fall and the fundamentals of the better kids are really bad, most kids in our H.S. district have played travel prior to making their teams so to me your chances are much higher then say staying in rec ball till 9th grade. Facing pitchers who throw 53mph at 14 doesn't get you ready to face top H.S. talent.
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11UFAN
149 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2012 : 19:24:05
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I look at the H.S. thing differently. The over-whelming majority of high school baseball players play/played travel ball. It is almost a pre-requisite these days, whether intentionally or not.
Plus I know many kids these days who are trying to play in college by-pass H.S. all together and just play travel ball.
I think this is a huge mistake but it is becoming more and more prevalent. |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2012 : 16:40:00
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Originally posted by 11UFAN
I look at the H.S. thing differently. The over-whelming majority of high school baseball players play/played travel ball. It is almost a pre-requisite these days, whether intentionally or not.
Plus I know many kids these days who are trying to play in college by-pass H.S. all together and just play travel ball.
I think this is a huge mistake but it is becoming more and more prevalent.
I agree, maybe 15 years ago most HS teams weren't comprised of travel ball players but at least over here in Gwinnett county it is hard to find a kid who didn't play travel. It is becoming increasingly harder to find kids who even play more than one sport which I totally don't agree with. I have heard about kids not playing at their HS to play travel and there are probably many reasons for it. Our HS baseball coach was also the soccer coach and taught health...He wasn't a very good coach and I'm thankful we had a lot of talent because we lost a lot of games against teams that shouldn't have beaten us. I don't think it would be a stretch to argue that kids would get better instruction playing for a travel team with a professional instructor than that particular coaching situation. |
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11UFAN
149 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2012 : 21:04:22
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| I bet if baseball had cheerleaders more travelballers would sign-up for H.S. :) |
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itsbaseballtime
348 Posts |
Posted - 01/29/2012 : 01:33:02
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peashooter, I can't figure you out. Do you promote travel ball or not?quote:
Originally posted by peashooter
I love all the detailed analysis of AAA, Major teams. It is 12U baseball. Odds are most kids on the 12U major team won't even be starters in HS.
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Outtahere
43 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2012 : 11:53:01
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| This is a forum Pea that folks get on to discuss, give advice and laugh about different aspects of travel ball. Just wait until you have a son playing and aren't just a coach anymore. |
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ccistrunk
5 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2012 : 16:00:59
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| who is the best travel team in Marietta |
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BravesFan
533 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2012 : 18:16:30
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Gotta go with the EC Braves on that one until proven otherwise
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Originally posted by ccistrunk
who is the best travel team in Marietta
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