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mlbscout
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 Posted - 10/29/2011 : 21:11:18
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Originally posted by Bandit_Hawk
MLbscout, did you watch every game the Bandits played last year? I DID. I can also read distance signs very well.
Not picking an argument. I just think that your statement is somewhat of an exaggeration. Perhaps a more precise statement would be that occasionally some of the players hit home runs over the 300 foot sign. To have 4 players who routinely hit 300 ft homers at age 12 is hard to believe. I have seen many 12-year olds, on very good travel teams, hit many many home runs. However, I have only occasionally seen 300 ft homers at that age, and rarely by more than 1 player on a team. Of course, I wasn't there and you were. Maybe I should give you the benefit of the doubt. What's the biggest fish you have caught?  |
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double play
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Posted - 10/30/2011 : 07:59:44
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| I saw the Bandits play a few times. When I watched the Bandits they wiped out the other teams and their players hit homeruns. I also never seen one of their players hit a 300 ft home run. I know there were kids on the team that could hit the ball 300 +. So, I would say occasionally would fit better than routinely. |
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TAZ980002
831 Posts |
Posted - 10/30/2011 : 08:09:51
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| I have 3 sons that play travel baseball. I don't have time to fish !! |
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blowinsmoke
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Posted - 10/30/2011 : 10:11:10
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| I agree with scout, this past weekend the MISFITS pool games was on the smaller of the fields used at east cobb and its just 240ft .this cracks me up |
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Tball
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Posted - 10/30/2011 : 11:01:55
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| We will know more in the spring, when the new bats are used! |
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TAZ980002
831 Posts |
Posted - 10/31/2011 : 06:52:03
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You guys are too much. These 4 players each hit more than 30 home runs each. Combined they hit more than 130 on the season. Many of them were over 300' fences. Occasionally, routinely, seriously you have nothing better to do than to argue wording right now? My point was that there are many kids (Bandits and otherwise, please see post on the previous page again) that are capable of hitting the ball 300' plus and that a 250' field is too small for 13u major.
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bmartin1192
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Posted - 10/31/2011 : 12:22:05
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Originally posted by Bandit_Hawk
You guys are too much. These 4 players each hit more than 30 home runs each. Combined they hit more than 130 on the season. Many of them were over 300' fences. Occasionally, routinely, seriously you have nothing better to do than to argue wording right now? My point was that there are many kids (Bandits and otherwise, please see post on the previous page again) that are capable of hitting the ball 300' plus and that a 250' field is too small for 13u major.
The Bandits were/are a special team with some special players. The majority of the 13u age group will not be able to hit it that far. You will find some that will be able to. But just because you have those few who can easily hit it 300' dosent mean the fields are to small. Live with the dimensions we have at 13u or move those 300+ hitters to 14u and give them the larger fields to play on. Just my opinion!
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 10/31/2011 : 17:10:40
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Originally posted by bmartin1192
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The Bandits were/are a special team with some special players. The majority of the 13u age group will not be able to hit it that far. You will find some that will be able to. But just because you have those few who can easily hit it 300' dosent mean the fields are to small. Live with the dimensions we have at 13u or move those 300+ hitters to 14u and give them the larger fields to play on. Just my opinion!
Bmartin, that was the point I was trying to make in my post. There ARE a bunch of players on other 13u teams that can hit the ball that far. The Astros will have 4-5, the GA Stars have 4-5, Valley Thunder had 4-5 and those are just the teams that I saw during the TC tournament. I just offered my opinion and for some reason it's turned into this. SMH |
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 10/31/2011 : 20:11:01
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Papa has been playing football with the boys and has not had time to check the forum on a regular basis. I am glad that you boys are beginning to drum up a little baseball chatter. You can talk about hitting all you want and use the words routinely and occassionally and any other big words that might be above my head but I predict that this will be the year for the pitcher. I did not see many of the pitchers at the Triple Crown Fall State throwing the fast ball by these bigger stronger and standing 4' further back hitters and I think that this will be the year that the kids learn to pitch and not just throw.
And if I know the Bandit Coach the way I think I do if we don't have 4 kids that are routinely hitting the baseball 300 plus feet that he will have the Bandits scouting department out in force to make sure we have them next time we see you.
But laying all the bigs words aside for the moment I will state for the record that I think this coming 13U season will be one of the "BEST" ever for Georgia Baseball. |
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JKIRK07
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Posted - 11/02/2011 : 10:18:11
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They weren't ALL big kids that hit them out of Field 6. There was a small kid that hit one out for the Titans on Friday night against the GA Stars. And it went out dead center and was still rising. Not only big kids can hit 280+ ft homeruns if they catch it right. It all comes down to the pitcher vs the batter.
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Originally posted by bmartin1192
The homeruns hit, atleast the 4 I saw would have been out of a 285' field as well. They were bombs, not routine flies that kept going. Honestly ECB Field 6 is an adequate size for 13u, there were not alot of homeruns hit this past weekend and if you saw the kids that hit them you would know that even a 285' field wouldnt stop them from hitting somemore. All big kids. My son hit a Grand Slam on Friday night in the tournament (shameless plug by dad!!!) But I wouldnt be opposed to them playing on a 280-285' field.
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Originally posted by Coach D
Yeah . Not taking anything away from whomever hit them but that is a bit short. I say 285 min. Is a good number.didn't see any of them so not sure if it would have made a difference.
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jacjacatk
154 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2011 : 11:43:17
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Originally posted by JKIRK07
They weren't ALL big kids that hit them out of Field 6. There was a small kid that hit one out for the Titans on Friday night against the GA Stars. And it went out dead center and was still rising. Not only big kids can hit 280+ ft homeruns if they catch it right. It all comes down to the pitcher vs the batter.
Not that it really matters and taking nothing away from a 13u who can hit a 300'+ HR, but hitting a ball in such a way that it's still rising over a 300' fence would require a bat exit speed in the 110-120 mph range which is elite-MLB territory. Depending on launch angle and other environmental conditions, a ball hit at those speeds would travel something like 420-480' and be 80-130' off the ground 300' from home plate.
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http://faculty.tcc.fl.edu/scma/carrj/Java/baseball4.html
http://www.efastball.com/hitting/average-bat-speed-exit-speed-by-age-group/ |
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BROOKSTEAM
145 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2011 : 15:41:54
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But if you account for the difference in bat performance then this feat of a youth baseball player hitting the ball that far becomes much more plausible.
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Originally posted by jacjacatk
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Originally posted by JKIRK07
They weren't ALL big kids that hit them out of Field 6. There was a small kid that hit one out for the Titans on Friday night against the GA Stars. And it went out dead center and was still rising. Not only big kids can hit 280+ ft homeruns if they catch it right. It all comes down to the pitcher vs the batter.
Not that it really matters and taking nothing away from a 13u who can hit a 300'+ HR, but hitting a ball in such a way that it's still rising over a 300' fence would require a bat exit speed in the 110-120 mph range which is elite-MLB territory. Depending on launch angle and other environmental conditions, a ball hit at those speeds would travel something like 420-480' and be 80-130' off the ground 300' from home plate.
Sources:
http://faculty.tcc.fl.edu/scma/carrj/Java/baseball4.html
http://www.efastball.com/hitting/average-bat-speed-exit-speed-by-age-group/
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HITANDRUN
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Posted - 11/02/2011 : 16:01:00
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Wood Bats would be perfect for fields 4 and 6 at ECB for 13U.
255 is "not" a long way for most 12 or 13 year old to hit a baseball with aluminum. Even if it was still rising maybe it goes another 20 or 30 feet. Still awesome for any kid to hit a home run against a live pitcher. I have not seen many smaller kids hitting them 300 feet though. But I did see some 12U kids hit some 300 plus. Bandits, Sandtown, Duluth. I don't know many if any that could hit a ball 300 with a wood bat though. |
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JKIRK07
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Posted - 11/02/2011 : 16:42:59
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Field 6 at East Cobb is only 265 ft. And I was responding to the earlier post that said only the bigger kids were hitting home runs on that field.
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Originally posted by jacjacatk
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Originally posted by JKIRK07
They weren't ALL big kids that hit them out of Field 6. There was a small kid that hit one out for the Titans on Friday night against the GA Stars. And it went out dead center and was still rising. Not only big kids can hit 280+ ft homeruns if they catch it right. It all comes down to the pitcher vs the batter.
Not that it really matters and taking nothing away from a 13u who can hit a 300'+ HR, but hitting a ball in such a way that it's still rising over a 300' fence would require a bat exit speed in the 110-120 mph range which is elite-MLB territory. Depending on launch angle and other environmental conditions, a ball hit at those speeds would travel something like 420-480' and be 80-130' off the ground 300' from home plate.
Sources:
http://faculty.tcc.fl.edu/scma/carrj/Java/baseball4.html
http://www.efastball.com/hitting/average-bat-speed-exit-speed-by-age-group/
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baseball papa
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Posted - 11/02/2011 : 17:26:37
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| This science and physics stuff is way above Papa's head. Could you guys come back down to earth and just say something like he knocked the p--- of that one or that one would never have been out of the park except for the short porch. Keep it about baseball guys. Next thing you they will putting a speed limit on how fast the ball leaves the bat. Give me a break. |
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jacjacatk
154 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2011 : 21:25:52
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Originally posted by HITANDRUN
Even if it was still rising maybe it goes another 20 or 30 feet.
Even a shallow line drive (say 125 feet) goes about 60 feet horizontally after reaching it's apex. Ignoring wind speed, a ball hit at the optimal angle for max distance will travel 40-45% of the total distance after the apex.
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Originally posted by JKIRK07
Field 6 at East Cobb is only 265 ft. And I was responding to the earlier post that said only the bigger kids were hitting home runs on that field.
Even at 265 ft, if the ball is rising (or even just level) as it passes the 265 ft mark the exit speed off the bat is getting in the 100+ mph range and total distance will exceed 400ft.
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Originally posted by baseball papa
Next thing you they will putting a speed limit on how fast the ball leaves the bat.
They have been doing this for years. |
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HITANDRUN
436 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2011 : 15:06:46
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I know nothing about physics but I still say Field 6 is 255 to CF at best not 265. So are you saying some 12 year old kids can hit a home run on a 400 foot fence?
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jacjacatk
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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 16:46:02
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Originally posted by HITANDRUN
I know nothing about physics but I still say Field 6 is 255 to CF at best not 265. So are you saying some 12 year old kids can hit a home run on a 400 foot fence?
I'm saying that in order to hit a ball that's still rising as it passes over a 265' fence, that ball is going to end up going 400'+, and be long enough to clear an 8' fence at something in the neighborhood of 390'. FWIW, you can use Google maps to get a pretty accurate distance for the ball field in question if you know which one it is from an aerial view (I don't).
The farthest confirmed distance I saw a 12u hit a ball last year was about 270' (watched AA teams, primarily). I did see one ball hit over a 12'+ fence on a 200' field that would appear (from using the model I posted earlier) to have gone in the neighborhood of 300' on the fly but I didn't try to check that on the ground. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see major/elite 12u players clearing 300', though even that requires bat exit speeds close to high-level HS or average college players, but I'd be amazed if one could go 400'. |
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jacjacatk
154 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2011 : 17:01:56
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| FWIW, if field 6 is one of the two medium size fields in the group of ECB fields where there are 5 together, those both appear to be around 255' using Google maps. Neither has a distinctly visible home plate in the pic, but it'd be tough to be off by 10' just because of that. |
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mlbscout
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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 17:56:38
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I'm saying that in order to hit a ball that's still rising as it passes over a 265' fence, that ball is going to end up going 400'+, and be long enough to clear an 8' fence at something in the neighborhood of 390'. FWIW, you can use Google maps to get a pretty accurate distance for the ball field in question if you know which one it is from an aerial view (I don't).
The key words are: "that's still rising as it passes over the 265 ft fence" Many times we think the ball is still rising but in reality it isn't. It's on its way down, but still going forward. The same goes for those hit over 300 ft fences. |
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Tball
142 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2011 : 20:00:30
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| There were homeruns hit a long way last year, some with legal bats... some with not!!!! Pay attention in the spring, and if someone jacks one 350'.... check the bat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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outlaweagle
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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 20:29:02
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| Good grief this tournament was 2 weeks ago. Can we start a new topic like maybe "Surveyors needed to measure the fields at East Cobb". |
Edited by - outlaweagle on 11/03/2011 21:22:25 |
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mlbscout
77 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2011 : 10:47:07
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jacjacatk: on a different topic:
do you know what the average differential in velocity is in MLB for pitchers (difference between peak velocity at time of release and plate speed)? How about for 13-year olds?
I have read, but I don't remember where, that there is about 4-5 mph difference from the point of release of the baseball and the speed of the ball as it reaches the plate. Basically, if a 13u pitcher has a release velocity of 75 MPH, the velocity may be 70-71 when it reaches the plate.
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Originally posted by jacjacatk
FWIW, if field 6 is one of the two medium size fields in the group of ECB fields where there are 5 together, those both appear to be around 255' using Google maps. Neither has a distinctly visible home plate in the pic, but it'd be tough to be off by 10' just because of that.
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 11/04/2011 : 14:39:47
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| Papa is either going to have to go back to school and take a refresher course in math or stay the heck off this topic. Who the devil cares about this velocity at point of impact. Lets go back to it was a Bomb or a Marshmellow. |
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jacjacatk
154 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2011 : 15:47:42
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Originally posted by mlbscout
jacjacatk: on a different topic:
do you know what the average differential in velocity is in MLB for pitchers (difference between peak velocity at time of release and plate speed)? How about for 13-year olds?
I have read, but I don't remember where, that there is about 4-5 mph difference from the point of release of the baseball and the speed of the ball as it reaches the plate. Basically, if a 13u pitcher has a release velocity of 75 MPH, the velocity may be 70-71 when it reaches the plate.
The consensus I've seen online and in the radar instructions I have is that you lose about 1 mph per 7' from release. So if you're releasing at 95, you'll be at 86-87 at the plate on a full size field.
Anecdotally based on a few readings I've gotten on some AA pitchers, I think the rate of loss is lower at the youth level, more in the neighborhood of 1 mph per 10' at a 50-60 mph release speed, which would agree with what you've read. I know that the power necessary to overcome drag in a car increases proportional to the cube of the velocity, so it makes sense that the drag on a faster pitch would be higher. |
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