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Hyde
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 Posted - 07/22/2011 : 16:31:10
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When Coaches post tryouts, should they list the primary position their son, and their Assistants' sons play?
If a team is advertised as professionally Coached, should they disclose if Dad's with sons on the team will also help Coach?
Should these Assistant Coaches sons primary positions also be listed?
Wouldn't this save everyone involved a lot of time and expense? |
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DecaturDad
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Posted - 07/22/2011 : 19:53:22
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| You are assuming the coach's son has a lock on his position. What about the player who is one of the best 1st/2nd/ss/catcher.... But does not have a dad coaching. Wouldn't you be more concerned about him if that were the position your son was trying out for? |
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Tball
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Posted - 07/22/2011 : 20:03:05
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| unfotunatly many of the so called professional coaches may have played college or further ball, but that does NOT mean they can teach the game of baseball!!! |
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Hyde
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Posted - 07/24/2011 : 19:55:15
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Coach Tony, glad your team is run the right way, but most are not. If the Coaches kid plays a position, the only sniff your kid will get of that position is when the Coaches kid pitches...unless there's another coaches kid who wants to play that position. That's the reality of what we are dealing with. Let's not waste time discussing the few exceptions, let's focus on the mainstream situations.
Gotta work around the coaches kids from the moment you select which tryout to attend, let's face reality with eyes wide open.
And another thing, if you are a pro Coach who wants to charge for your tryout that's fine, but then don't turn around and let Dad's with kids on the team Coach. I don't need to pay for pro Coaching AND deal with that too. Its one or the other...mutually exclusive.
Am I the only one willing to call 'em the way they really are?
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AllStar
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Posted - 07/25/2011 : 14:31:15
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Originally posted by Hyde
Coach Tony, glad your team is run the right way, but most are not. If the Coaches kid plays a position, the only sniff your kid will get of that position is when the Coaches kid pitches...unless there's another coaches kid who wants to play that position. That's the reality of what we are dealing with. Let's not waste time discussing the few exceptions, let's focus on the mainstream situations.
Gotta work around the coaches kids from the moment you select which tryout to attend, let's face reality with eyes wide open.
And another thing, if you are a pro Coach who wants to charge for your tryout that's fine, but then don't turn around and let Dad's with kids on the team Coach. I don't need to pay for pro Coaching AND deal with that too. Its one or the other...mutually exclusive.
Am I the only one willing to call 'em the way they really are?
Have you thought about coaching?
Look around you and count the number of teams that have nothing but outside coaches. That would be the population of 12 year-old teams without dad coaches. Maybe that would be a better situation for all involved. |
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coachtony
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Posted - 07/25/2011 : 15:16:07
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Originally posted by Hyde
Let's not waste time discussing the few exceptions, let's focus on the mainstream situations.
My point, exactly, Hyde. I think you are mistaken. Just because a very vocal minority think that this is a problem on the majority of teams does not make it so. I would venture to say that I know literally hundreds of coaches and I bet I could count on ONE HAND the number that run their teams with their own son placed ahead of the team.Just because a few people get on a message board and complain about it does not mean that it is happening everywhere.
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Originally posted by Hyde
Gotta work around the coaches kids from the moment you select which tryout to attend, let's face reality with eyes wide open.
Again, Hyde, it sounds to me like your eyes are quite closed. You have decided that this is the way all teams are run instead of the reality, which is that it is only a few travel teams really run this way.
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Originally posted by Hyde
Am I the only one willing to call 'em the way they really are?
No, it is just you and a few others who have apparently been burned that are calling it like you see it. The rest of us simply see it differently.
Hyde, I feel bad that it seems that you have seen the poorest side of coaching....but please dont assume that just because you have that it is a "majority". I will submit to you that it happens a lot less than one would think.
Just my $.02.
--T
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stinger
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Posted - 07/25/2011 : 16:45:25
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Hyde, if you son is not playing a position because one of the assistant coaches kid is playing there, then likely the manager believes your son is not as good as him at that position or your son is more valuable at another position. For most teams, the manager makes the calls on lineup and positions and who pitches. Input from asst coaches on these three items is pretty much limited to 'who to pitch in a certain situation.' Almost never does a manager ask assistants about positions or batting order. And assistant coaches rarely give input to a manager about their own son without being asked. It would not be received well.
Does that mean daddy ball doesn't exist. No, it absolutely does not. But daddy ball is not nearly as prevalent as many parents think and is used mostly as an excuse by parents as to why their kid isn't playing a certain position or batting higher in the order. Does that mean that your kid is not as good as an assistant's kid at a position? Not necessarily. The manager may be wrong about where your kid should play most often but if he is wrong, it's not because the asst coaches kids play your son's position.
Now to AllStar's point, if you're looking for a team with no dads involved as coaches at all, be prepared to pay a lot and to have a long drive. |
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Hyde
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Posted - 07/25/2011 : 19:33:34
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Now to AllStar's point, if you're looking for a team with no dads involved as coaches at all, be prepared to pay a lot and to have a long drive.
Stinger,you are dead on with this statement. |
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Coach D
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Posted - 07/25/2011 : 20:15:06
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| Is that Jekyl posting under Hydes sign-in? |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 07/25/2011 : 23:25:10
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| To be honest I think our head coach's son has probably sat the bench the most this year.....He always plays every game but when he doesn't perform he sits, I feel even more pressure is on him than most of our boys and in the end he will probably be mentally prepared for HS ball before many of the boys around our area who think because "my son isn't playing SS" you must be a victim of "daddy ball"..... |
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