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baseball papa
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 Posted - 06/19/2011 : 10:31:08
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There are now 31 teams posted as qualified at Disney. Lamorinda Diablos are listed. The Bandits played them at Cooperstown, NY and they have a great team and would definitely be a contender at Disney but we heard that they might not attend. I feel sure that it might have something to do with the travel expenses as they just completed Cooperstown and I believe that they are coming to Memphis, TN to attempt to qualify for the NYBC. The 12 year old year has certainly had its share of expenses with some of the premier tournaments in the nation attracting interest week after week. There are so many options and every option seems to cost a lot of money.
If a team decides not to come to the Elite 32 how is that slot filled. I know that there are teams in Georgia that certainly should be considered. If you are interested at this late date who and how would you contact to be considered for an at large berth. |
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mlbscout
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Posted - 06/19/2011 : 12:18:59
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I'm somewhat confused by the reasoning below. If finances are a concern, why would Lamorinda travel to Southaven, Miss to play in the NABF as a way of obtaining a NYBC berth? The expenses would be similar but the competition greater at the Elite-32. The Elite-32 groups a large number of top teams in the country and thereby becomes a truly elite tournament. AAU, NABF, Pony, Cal Ripken, Super Series, and AABC are secondary in competition. Yes, I know that AAU teams have won the NYBC! In baseball, anything can happen and there is generally a reason. Compare the list of 12u teams playing at the AAU Grand Nationals or the NABF with those at the Elite-32 World Series. In my opinion, it may be more difficult to win the Elite-32 than the NYBC.
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Originally posted by baseball papa
There are now 31 teams posted as qualified at Disney. Lamorinda Diablos are listed. The Bandits played them at Cooperstown, NY and they have a great team and would definitely be a contender at Disney but we heard that they might not attend. I feel sure that it might have something to do with the travel expenses as they just completed Cooperstown and I believe that they are coming to Memphis, TN to attempt to qualify for the NYBC. The 12 year old year has certainly had its share of expenses with some of the premier tournaments in the nation attracting interest week after week. There are so many options and every option seems to cost a lot of money.
If a team decides not to come to the Elite 32 how is that slot filled. I know that there are teams in Georgia that certainly should be considered. If you are interested at this late date who and how would you contact to be considered for an at large berth.
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in_the_know
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Posted - 06/19/2011 : 19:17:40
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Originally posted by mlbscout
I'm somewhat confused by the reasoning below. If finances are a concern, why would Lamorinda travel to Southaven, Miss to play in the NABF as a way of obtaining a NYBC berth? The expenses would be similar but the competition greater at the Elite-32. The Elite-32 groups a large number of top teams in the country and thereby becomes a truly elite tournament. AAU, NABF, Pony, Cal Ripken, Super Series, and AABC are secondary in competition. Yes, I know that AAU teams have won the NYBC! In baseball, anything can happen and there is generally a reason. Compare the list of 12u teams playing at the AAU Grand Nationals or the NABF with those at the Elite-32 World Series. In my opinion, it may be more difficult to win the Elite-32 than the NYBC.
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Originally posted by baseball papa
There are now 31 teams posted as qualified at Disney. Lamorinda Diablos are listed. The Bandits played them at Cooperstown, NY and they have a great team and would definitely be a contender at Disney but we heard that they might not attend. I feel sure that it might have something to do with the travel expenses as they just completed Cooperstown and I believe that they are coming to Memphis, TN to attempt to qualify for the NYBC. The 12 year old year has certainly had its share of expenses with some of the premier tournaments in the nation attracting interest week after week. There are so many options and every option seems to cost a lot of money.
If a team decides not to come to the Elite 32 how is that slot filled. I know that there are teams in Georgia that certainly should be considered. If you are interested at this late date who and how would you contact to be considered for an at large berth.
My guess is because the NYBC is televised on MLB Network. Outside of the LL World Series, this is pretty much the only opportunity for 12u to be televised nationally. The Elite 32 would certainly provide a much more competitive field but they can't provide the cachet of little Johnny being watched by all his friends and relatives on TV if they make it to the NYBC. Yes, the Elite 32 winner gets a bid to the NYBC, but if your real goal was to get the NYBC, you stand a better chance of winning the NABF than the Elite 32 as a means of getting there. |
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DBL PLAY
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Posted - 06/19/2011 : 19:23:29
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| I think that year after year people try and figure out a way to down play USSSA baseball. Just as the Bandits are the #1 team in the Country, USSSA is the #1 travel ball organization. With that said the Elite 32 is the best measure of who the top team is or a way of naming a National champ. The Elite 32 does have maybe 15 to 20 of the top teams across the great States on the other hand the NYBC has maybe 4 of the Countries top teams. The one thing the NYBC has going for it and the thing that coaches and parents are clinging to is the MLB Network. This is the National exposure that we as parents and coaches feel propels our kids teams to the National champ status. I will say that the NYBC is a fun tournament with a kinda Little League feel with all the cameras around but the Elite 32 will always be the toughest between the 2 to win. You can decide for yourself after both are over with who you think is the true National champ unless the Bandits win both! |
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baseball papa
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Posted - 06/19/2011 : 20:15:37
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| I didn't say that finances was the reason and I do not even know that Lamorinda is not coming to the Elite 32. I am assuming that you have been around tournament play and should know how the rumor's fly. I had just heard that they might not be coming and wanted to see if someone else had heard the same rumor. I do know that the reason the Bandits are attempting to do the Memphis and Elite 32 and that would be to double our chances to qualify and the odds are probably still not good with the competition in these tournaments. I also heard that Lamorinda might be missing some players the week of Disney and that might be a reason they might not come. |
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G-Man
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Posted - 06/19/2011 : 23:55:34
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I saw the SF Orphans were added to the Elite 32 today and I know they didnt qualify for it so who knows at this point. I know the Orpahns dont have the pitching horses to win it and there are better teams that would have made more sense from Florida but I guess when the tournament is being held in Florida more teams from that area get more opportunities.
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Originally posted by baseball papa
There are now 31 teams posted as qualified at Disney. Lamorinda Diablos are listed. The Bandits played them at Cooperstown, NY and they have a great team and would definitely be a contender at Disney but we heard that they might not attend. I feel sure that it might have something to do with the travel expenses as they just completed Cooperstown and I believe that they are coming to Memphis, TN to attempt to qualify for the NYBC. The 12 year old year has certainly had its share of expenses with some of the premier tournaments in the nation attracting interest week after week. There are so many options and every option seems to cost a lot of money.
If a team decides not to come to the Elite 32 how is that slot filled. I know that there are teams in Georgia that certainly should be considered. If you are interested at this late date who and how would you contact to be considered for an at large berth.
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baseball papa
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 08:53:50
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| Was the South Florida Orphans the last team. If they are then you should be able to calculate what bracket you might fall in and start your engine. Makes sense to me that a team from Florida would get the invite and I have no problem with the team as they appear to be able to compete on the big stage. |
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baseball papa
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 12:24:24
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| The last time I checked the site there were 31 teams listed and that was before the South Florida Orphans were added. Now they are only 30 teams listed with the South Florida Orphans included. I would bet that there will be a few more changes prior to the big event. |
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strongx
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 13:35:57
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Originally posted by baseball papa
If a team decides not to come to the Elite 32 how is that slot filled. I know that there are teams in Georgia that certainly should be considered. If you are interested at this late date who and how would you contact to be considered for an at large berth.
A couple of years ago, my oldest son's team did not qualify as 13U. They had qualified and played at the Elite as 11U. As 13's they had played in SNITs in GA, AL, NC, and Ohio trying to qualify but could not get the bid. About this same time that year, we contacted our state USSSA head and he did some checking which eventually ended with us getting an at large berth. Maybe the GA USSSA director can help someone.
It was good for us...until we got there. Usually there is a reason someone can't qualify. We got routed in our first game against the EC Astros (eventual champ) in 98 degree heat. Ended up 0-5. Kinda wished our USSSA guy hadn't answered the phone when we called! |
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mlbscout
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 13:59:05
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"I feel sure that it might have something to do with the travel expenses as they just completed Cooperstown and I believe that they are coming to Memphis, TN to attempt to qualify for the NYBC"
Based on what you wrote in a prior post (see above), I asummed you were stating that travel expenses may have been an issue.
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Originally posted by baseball papa
I didn't say that finances was the reason and I do not even know that Lamorinda is not coming to the Elite 32. I am assuming that you have been around tournament play and should know how the rumor's fly. I had just heard that they might not be coming and wanted to see if someone else had heard the same rumor. I do know that the reason the Bandits are attempting to do the Memphis and Elite 32 and that would be to double our chances to qualify and the odds are probably still not good with the competition in these tournaments. I also heard that Lamorinda might be missing some players the week of Disney and that might be a reason they might not come.
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baseball papa
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 16:55:03
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| mlbscout: Guess I used the wrong words as I should have said in my first post that my "guess" would be expenses. I know from experience what the travel thing costs and I am sure you do too but I probably should not have said I felt sure and should have said that I was guessing about the expense thing. But really all I was trying to do is find out if Lamorinda was not coming because for all I know they might be coming. I can promise you that they have a great team and I hope that they find a way to come. |
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mlbscout
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 17:37:38
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Lamorinda is just one of many good teams at the Elite32. Whether they decide to attend or not the tournament won't lack any luster. Let's make sure the Bandits are there since you can't have an elite 32 world series without the number 1 ranked team.
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Originally posted by baseball papa
mlbscout: Guess I used the wrong words as I should have said in my first post that my "guess" would be expenses. I know from experience what the travel thing costs and I am sure you do too but I probably should not have said I felt sure and should have said that I was guessing about the expense thing. But really all I was trying to do is find out if Lamorinda was not coming because for all I know they might be coming. I can promise you that they have a great team and I hope that they find a way to come.
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baseball papa
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 19:14:35
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| Would you agree that 12-15 teams could win this one (Elite 32). This will certainly be the toughest test up to that point although the qualifier thing in Memphis in 2 week should also be a real test for us all. And if the name is to be what is implied then should we not have at least close to the top 32 nations in attendance for the Elite. I know that would be impossible but you must admit that they come as close as you could come. |
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SouthSide24
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 19:39:14
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I know the South Florida Swamp Rats were given an at large berth last week. They went to Alabama SNIT and in the first bracket game, opposing coach protested saying they (SFSR) had an illegal player on roster..Tournament DIrector upholds protest. When Swamp Rats get back to Florida, their coach made many calls to USSSA . Turns out he was correct he had proper paperwork, etc. .USSSA then offered an Elite 32 berth to them. |
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TBBFAN
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 22:06:17
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| Kind of off topic, but do you think the Elite 32 was better when it was the Elite 24? I think it made the competition better, and the Super NIT’s were more competitive because there were fewer bids and more top teams had to show up to the same event. Just wondering what you guys think. |
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AllStar
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G-Man
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 23:09:14
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| I see several teams from Florida that did not EARN a berth. IMHO this is what delutes this type tournament. There are a few teams that got at-large berths that I wouldnt consider being an Elite 32 type team. This again in my opinion only allows the better teams who end up in these weaker team brackets to walk through the tournament by being able to save pitching. |
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Shut Out
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bmoser
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Posted - 06/21/2011 : 12:25:39
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G-Man,
Maybe a few teams qualified had to drop out, and USSSA is just trying to fill the field. Its easiest to fill the last spot/s with local teams, or at least teams that can make an easy drive to Disney.
You'd think they'd call the teams with the highest power ranking first, and work downward. Or, maybe they call the Majors who have played the most USSSA, and work down from there. |
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 06/21/2011 : 14:03:27
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Shut Out, we are playing this weekend in a Global State in Dalton to satisfy the requirements of the USSSA rules for Elite World Series play.
For the record, no one from the Bandits asked USSSA for an exemption from this rule as many have suggested. We asked Bubba for a solution to a problem and Bubba has stepped up and provided one. Our hats are off to the efforts of Bubba and USSSA to work this situation out without causing problems for anyone involved. |
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Shut Out
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Posted - 06/21/2011 : 16:06:43
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| Bandit Hawk; that is great news!!! Congrats on Cooperstown and keep it going to the Elite 32! |
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 06/21/2011 : 21:39:56
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Bandit Hawk; that is great news!!! Congrats on Cooperstown and keep it going to the Elite 32!
Thank you Sir !! The boys have had a very special season so far. Hopefully the ball will continue to bounce in our favor. |
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G-Man
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Posted - 06/21/2011 : 21:57:43
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I will find out more this coming week. We were asked to guest play with a 13u team in the AAU Nationals at Disney this coming week so I will be able to talk to some old friends in Orlando and find out more.
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Originally posted by bmoser
G-Man,
Maybe a few teams qualified had to drop out, and USSSA is just trying to fill the field. Its easiest to fill the last spot/s with local teams, or at least teams that can make an easy drive to Disney.
You'd think they'd call the teams with the highest power ranking first, and work downward. Or, maybe they call the Majors who have played the most USSSA, and work down from there.
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