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fundamentalbaseball
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 Posted - 06/09/2011 : 17:12:31
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| Let the bandits play in elite 32 , get rid of the mandatory state rule for EVERYONE . NO behind closed doors deals with no team . There are a lot of loyal USSSA teams that are hurt by this money based rule . But do it now not later , the Bandits are not the only team that does things the right way and deserve a chance to go play in World Series . I agree the elite 32 would be tainted if they are not there but there are a lot of kids that the deserve the right to play in a world series without going to fictional state championship . |
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mlbscout
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 18:25:09
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Did the coaches know that by skipping the state tournament and instead selecting to play in Cooperstown that this might jeopardize their chances at playing the elite32? Why not skip Cooperstown if no other week was open other than week#2 - the same week of the state tournament? Knowing what they know today, would the coaches still select Cooperstown over the state tourney? I doubt their answer would be "yes".
I am very upset because the leadership of this wonderful team (coaches and other administrators) have put themselves and USSSA in a bind. However, there is always the interpretation of rule 7.03 and the opportunity for an at-large berth (if a state tournament is not a requesite). If they do not qualify by either of these 2 options, then no team is bigger than the organization. Hopefully, for the kids' sake, they qualify without bending the rules. Why would all the other 31 teams from different parts of the country want to boycott USSSA and play at another site so that the Bandits could play? I don't understand that suggestion. Remember, the team still can get into the NYBC by participating in other qualifying tournaments. They do not necessarily have to represent USSSA.
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Originally posted by Bandit_Hawk
@ dbl_play: this isn't a new issue for us. Our coach has been working on it for months.
@ mlb_scout: we applied for week 9 with Cooperstown but were told the only week we could play is week #2
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Spartan4
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 20:52:30
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A national championship in 12U without the Bandits would IMO be the talk of the Elite 32. I just can't see how ANYTHING positive for USSSA can come from keeping them at home?? It would be like if the Yankees were to win 120 games this year and then not be postseason eligible....Doesn't make sense
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The Football Ref
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 02:03:40
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Originally posted by Bandit_Hawk
@ mlb_scout: we applied for week 9 with Cooperstown but were told the only week we could play is week #2
My initial thought was the rules are the rules, but if what other people are saying is true, that other teams played in the Elite 32 last year without playing in their State's tournament, then all bets are off.
The only thing is, The Bandits knew this was an issue from the begining. I can see the USSSA saying no dice because it would open up a can of worms for them in the future. They make an acception now, and it will just be the begining of a thousand more requests down the road.
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Nationals10
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Posted - 06/12/2011 : 15:57:07
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| I know this doesn't help the Bandit's now but, what if at large bids was awarded to teams who had played in x amount of tournaments including the Super Nit in your home state. |
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moss21
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Posted - 06/12/2011 : 19:27:08
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| Even with an at large bid, the team still have to play in the state championship to play in a national USSSA event. |
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 06/13/2011 : 17:18:16
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| If some Coaches would spend as much time working with their team and less time worrying about what was happening with the competition then their teams would be better off for it. I truly believe that there are many more 12U teams that want to play the best than there are those that would run from them. As you read these posts it's easy to pick which is which. |
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GA Baseball 22
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Posted - 06/14/2011 : 22:45:31
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| Papa, I rarely disagree with you on many issues, but I must disagree in this case. Please do not confuse the issue as the issue is not who is the best team, or which team the other teams would want to play in the Elite 32. I am sure that every team that is heading to Disney wants for the Bandits to be part of the action. The true issue is --- Rule 7.03 that states that all teams that advance to the Elite 32 must play in their state's USSSA Tournament, which was held this past weekend at East Cobb Complex, which began two days before the skills challenge day at Cooperstown, which happened to be the week that the Bandits selected to play in. Make no mistake here, the Bandits CHOSE to play in the CDP Tournament and make the trip to Cooperstown RATHER than play in their own state's USSSA Tournament. Life comes down to choices, and the Bandits chose which event they would participate in. As with life, as we make choices, we also must live with the consequences that come from those choices, as the Bandits will have to live with the consequences of their choice. Please do not put the accountabilty or responsibility onto some other entity or group if you are not allowed to play in the Elite 32. If the Elite 32 were that important to the Bandits, then the choice of the event to participate in should have been taken into higher consideration. Remember, these are 12 year old kids, who are soon to become young men. Do we really want to teach our kids that if you are so good at something that the rules don't apply? Do we really want to teach them to go around the rules? Or do we use these issues as teachable moments to help our kids understand that life is about choices, and once you make your choice, you have to live with the rewards and the consequences of those choices. |
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itsjustbaseball
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Posted - 06/17/2011 : 13:20:59
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| No need to make or take this discussion personally .This is a policy issue that effects all teams that play USSSA and their shareholders so it will garener a great deal of attention. It happens to be a high profile team, but that should not affect the decision. |
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bmoser
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Posted - 06/17/2011 : 13:31:00
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I noticed that 31 teams are in the Elite 32, that leaves 1 spot left, but there are no more SNIT's. I'm guessing that is an at-large bid that USSSA can award to the team of their choice.
Why not give that birth to the Bandits, then give the Bandits birth to another team who finished 2nd at another one of the SNIT's they won?
Does anyone see any rule infractions with that solution?
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TAZ980002
831 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2011 : 16:40:55
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| Rule 7.03 Comment: State Directors shall have the authority to waive this rule with approval of the Association’s Executive Vice President of Baseball. |
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 17:00:57
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| 7.05 When a team has qualified to compete in a World Series and for some legitimate reason cannot compete, the State Director or directors appointed by the State Director may select the next team in line to take their place or may select a substitute plan to award the berth. |
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GA Baseball 22
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Posted - 06/23/2011 : 21:40:23
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Hey Bandit Hawk... Just ask that you would quote the entire Rule 7.03. Here is the entire rule copied directly from the book:
All teams receiving berths to World Series shall participate in their (home) state’s State Championship provided such a State
Championship is played. Failure to participate in the State Championship if played shall result in forfeiture of the World Series
berth.
Rule 7.03 Comment: State Directors shall have the authority to waive this rule with approval of the Association’s Executive
Vice President of Baseball.
I think of this like bible verses, quote the entire verse. |
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GA Baseball 22
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Posted - 06/23/2011 : 21:43:40
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I would not say that choosing to play in Cooperstown over playing in the State USSSA tourney is a legitimate reason for not competing. It was a choice to travel to Cooperstown to play in the CDP Tourney, not a requirement. Rules should be interpreted as they are written.
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Originally posted by Bandit_Hawk
7.05 When a team has qualified to compete in a World Series and for some legitimate reason cannot compete, the State Director or directors appointed by the State Director may select the next team in line to take their place or may select a substitute plan to award the berth.
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moccs
349 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2011 : 22:11:30
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| Congrats to bandits for making the elite 32! Good luck to all the Georgia teams. |
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TAZ980002
831 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2011 : 23:45:46
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Ga Baseball, the reason I posted the rule 7.03 comment and rule 7.05 was to demonstrate the fact that this is not a black and white issue as some are claiming it to be. Rule 7.03 comment and rule 7.05 plainly move rule 7.03 into a gray area.
Per rule 7.05, "the state director may select the next team in line to take their place or may select a substitute plan to award the berth", our state director allowed the Bandits to play in a Global State 14u tournament in Dalton this weekend to receive our berth. In this case our director did interpret the rule as written.
We are very grateful to Bubba, Bobby Smalls and USSSA for working with us to award the berth. Congratulations also to the Shaw Park Eagles 14u for earning their Global World Series Berth by playing in the tournament.
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TAZ980002
831 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2011 : 23:49:42
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| BTW moss21, now you've here'd what USSSA is going to do ! LOL |
Edited by - TAZ980002 on 06/27/2011 07:48:05 |
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baseball papa
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Posted - 06/27/2011 : 08:00:49
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| Papa would like to thank everyone that supported the Bandits in our attempt to play at the Elite 32. We had to move up to 14U State qualifier to meet the rule and just so all will know we did play in a global state qualifier and have now met the USSSA requirements. We could not have done this without the encouragement and support of USSSA and I also thank them for all the effort made on their end. |
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Spartan4
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Posted - 06/28/2011 : 21:30:24
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Originally posted by Bandit_Hawk
BTW moss21, now you've here'd what USSSA is going to do ! LOL
Solid.... |
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