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BHC3
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 Posted - 06/05/2011 : 19:11:16
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| Just got on my nerves today. Coaching a game, we're down 7-5 bottom of the 5th, two outs, we're hitting. The other coach decides to swap catchers with 2 minutes left. Is this teaching the kids the right thing? Just looks like a yellow streak to me. I am sure there are some on both sides of the fence here. |
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bmwac
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Posted - 06/05/2011 : 20:07:30
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| No honestly it's just as BUSH LEAGUE as having a dugout full of kids, a coach (a grown man) and half the parents screaming, chanting, clapping, or "smelling pepper" at a TEN YEAR OLD during his wind up, or telling the kids to go into the dugout and not shake hands (with the other team) because THEY felt as though someone had done something bush league to them, only to instead have them go through the line and not shake hands, or allow the kids to scream in the face of a player from the other team when he's hurt. ALL of these things are bush league, but not against the rules.......it's just baseball, sometimes you just got to deal with it because it happens and untill the grown ups in these teams just allow the kids to play baseball instead of teaching them to be bad sportsman it's going to continue to happen. |
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Tball
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Posted - 06/05/2011 : 20:38:28
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| We had a team with time running out.. send each kid to the plate only to call time and tie there shoes.... you will find idiots in every age group!!!!! Teach your kids to play the game the right way!!! |
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justwin1
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Posted - 06/05/2011 : 20:41:01
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| I am not a huge fan of it either, but it happens a lot from what I can see. It seems OK when you win and not so good when you lose. I know when it has happened to us it is pretty easy to go back and see where we wasted enough time on our own throughout the game (in and out after an inning, excessive pick-off attempts, whatever) to get too upset about it. Definately frustrating. |
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BHC3
21 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2011 : 21:19:28
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| Chanting, clapping, "smelling pepper" is another story, been discussed here before. Obviously, anyone that teaches yelling in someone's face is an idiot. The decision of a coach to delay to end a game is the discussion here. Many of my decisions and strategy mimic elite high school and college programs, where time is not a factor. Just a pee-wee league excuse. |
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bmwac
29 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2011 : 22:07:41
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| As long as there is a time limit in games, running out the clock, however blatant or not it is, will always happen, may not be necessary in high school or college, but it can be a very useful strategy at 10U. |
Edited by - bmwac on 06/05/2011 23:12:18 |
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baseballRus
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Posted - 06/05/2011 : 22:14:20
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Originally posted by BHC3
Just got on my nerves today. Coaching a game, we're down 7-5 bottom of the 5th, two outs, we're hitting. The other coach decides to swap catchers with 2 minutes left. Is this teaching the kids the right thing? Just looks like a yellow streak to me. I am sure there are some on both sides of the fence here.
As long as there are time limits, there will be stall tactics. It would be nice if you knew you were going to play 6 innings unless the run rule is implemented. I know that's not going to happen due to tournaments taking too many teams with not enough fields. |
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ecbh25
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Posted - 06/06/2011 : 10:34:30
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| I happen to be at this one, and as long as teams have a time limit to play by this will be a way you have to manage. The team complaining or calling it bush, was outplayed, wasted time during the game arguing that a coach was out of the coaches box, had fielders hold tags on runners while they were on the ground wasting a ton of time, then one coach didn't want the kids to shake hand at the end of the game.(that is worse then any stall tatic) Unless game rules are changed good coaches will use this, it is no different that a coach in a football kneeling on the ball, it does stink to be on the losing side but it has happened to all us... |
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AllStar
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Posted - 06/06/2011 : 13:48:10
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Originally posted by ecbh25
...it is no different that a coach in a football kneeling on the ball....
It is different. The football coach is running a low risk play. The baseball coaches are avoiding play so they don't lose.
It's bush and it teaches the kids that winning is more important than competing. |
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BHC3
21 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2011 : 14:30:41
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| Great monday morning quarterback analysis. One 5 sec comment to the umpire about the base coach running home with a base runner in a tag situation is pretty relevant I thought. Sure, the team can speed pitch the whole game to save time, just thought the final catcher change with one out left in the inning was a bit low. Maybe there was a player hurt, did not notice. Had two of my own that were very noticeably injured, but pitched, hit, and ran the whole game. Call me what you will, just trying to teach kids to play high school and up. Looks like the stall did not work too well in the ship. Had alot of good games with teams from that large organization, not sure that was what I expected from that organization. Maybe it is more common that I thought. Just let the kids play is my stance. |
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gpahooksball
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Posted - 06/06/2011 : 14:43:16
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| I agree with a number of the comments already posted. I like it when I am winning and ticked when I am losing. However, totally concur that, as long as there are time limits, there is going to be stalling. The main reason, in my opinion, is that if you have multiple games that day and you can stall in order to save an inning of pitching, you take advantage of it. I do hate the blatant stuff but understand the strategy. As for the "cat calls" when a boy is pitching, not shaking hands, I guess coaches and parents need to take a good long look at themselves in the mirror at night! |
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