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nbcfyoy
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 Posted - 05/23/2011 : 10:42:05
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| What's up with USSSA GA? Where they were very quick to move MANY teams down to single A, and quick to move teams from AAA to AA, they've been slow in recognizing AAA caliber teams on trophy hunts in AA. Does anyone have any takes on this? |
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BravesFan
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Posted - 05/23/2011 : 11:16:09
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There is always a fine line between AA & AAA teams and in many cases you can't tell the difference. I see 10-12 AA teams that would be .500 playing against AAA teams but yet they stay local and play mainly AA competition. Sure there are some top AAA teams but many of those guys play majors to get some competition in, I think the real problem is teams not challenging themselves.
Whether your a AA/AAA/Major team, go out and play above your competition to get better. You will take some lumps but in the end it will be better then beating some poor AA team 12-2, jmho.
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Outtahere
43 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2011 : 12:33:28
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| Similar thinking..What about a team that gets moved up and plays 2 tournaments in that division...they don't fair well and get U-trip to move them down. 5 tournaments into getting themselves moved back down all they have done is take home trophies...at EVERY tournament since. Why hasn't U-trip done anything about that? Trophy hunting at its worst! |
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moccs
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Posted - 05/23/2011 : 14:11:36
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Only one team moved up from AAA to majors this year. Although I can see a few of them that if they played enough usssa could/would be moved. What do you do tell them to play a lot to get points and qualify for state with a chance to win division-- then move them up to play in the upper division where they will finish at the bottom.
Every year in the State championships aa and aaa you will hardly ever see the best team in that division win the title.( Assuming that the "title" means anything any way ) Supposedly in two states if you win two tournaments they move you up. Which team has moved down and kept winning. I think usssa asks other teams to watch out and report because they cant monitor every situation. |
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bball99
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Posted - 05/23/2011 : 14:33:42
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| I know of several teams that we keep playing over and over again that need to move up. They beat us "ugly" in a bracket game and then win the championship by 10 or more. Shouldn't a championship game, most of the time, be a pretty close game. If your team is winning each championship game by 10 runs, then quit trophy hunting and take on a challenge. |
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Outtahere
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Posted - 05/23/2011 : 14:37:09
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| I was speaking specifically of a team being moved up from aa to aaa then after only 2 tournaments requesting usssa move them down to aa. Travel ball to me is about development and not trophies. |
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biggin
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Posted - 05/23/2011 : 14:58:18
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| This is 1 subject that realy strikes a nerve with people. Heck we have even been ? For playin schedule we play. I will say we all no there are some trophy hunters out there don't lose sleep over it people they are not doin there kids any favors. Moccs I think u went about it rt this year. Kids might not understand not takin home trophey but finishing 3rd in al major was more of accomplishment than winning ga aaa super nit. Same for us finishing 14th in al major versos 9th ga aaa. |
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moccs
349 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2011 : 16:59:12
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Originally posted by Outtahere
I was speaking specifically of a team being moved up from aa to aaa then after only 2 tournaments requesting usssa move them down to aa. Travel ball to me is about development and not trophies.
I agree. I think usssa has a procedure that after 6 games with your new classification you can request to move back down . Some teams are in that space you call "tweener" too good for the lower and not good enough for higher classification. Those teams may be in a situation if they play up and lose then the parents may not stick it out. When your parents dont buy into the program and want to win like everyone else and get little johnnny a trophy then the team want survive.
I still believe the best thing usssa could do is similar to TC and place everyone in pool and separate on Championship Day into different brackets. This would allow the lower classificaions a chance to play better competition and challenge their team while at the same time keep them in the hunt for that $10.00 piece of plastic.. |
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nbcfyoy
56 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2011 : 17:03:35
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| My point is that USSSA made a statement at the beginning of this year that they really wanted to keep the classes records around the .500 mark. They said that if you over performed in your class you WOULD be bumped. Several AA teams are boasting .750 overall records yet remaining in AA and show no signs of even trying to play up. This is where USSSA needs to keep their word and bump them. |
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nbcfyoy
56 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2011 : 17:11:47
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| One other point is that we have several teams that play the minimum tourneys so they can play spoilers in state play. I really think that USSSA should show more loyalty to teams that play USSSA exclusively and require more tournaments to qualify for state play. |
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BballNut
73 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2011 : 21:43:17
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Help. How would you think a team with stats as listed below would be classified?
Record vs. BBboys11AAA Teams : 1-2
Record vs. BBboys11AA Teams : 11-2
Record vs. BBBoys11A Teams : 1-0
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moccs
349 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2011 : 10:30:07
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| There are a few teams that fit the "tweener" classification. The Diamond Bears started out at aaa and really didnt compete well but have won about three tournaments since being sent down. Buzz would fit into this category also with a better record after dropping down but not necessarily dominating. Two other teams that could easily make the move from aa to aaa are Jefferson Heat and the Backyard Bashers. The Raiders are new to usssa but they would beat any of the teams listed in the aa division. They are a solid team which has pretty much dominated some nations/cam sports and open tournaments in their area. I with give an honorable mention to Fayette Force/Hplate Brown/Covington Sting/Georgia Titans. just my 2 cents worth !! |
Edited by - moccs on 05/24/2011 11:22:22 |
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biggin
174 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2011 : 12:19:46
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| I would love to see as many teams as possible jump into aaa just so we can get some tourneys to make. Having hard time trying to make schedule for next month. On a side note when its goin bad its goin bad. After taken thumpin by stealth and returning home are head coaches house was burglerised while away,my wife grandmother passes away,another parent on team had to go to emegancy room sun nt,and to top it off are #1 pitcher injures thumb on pitching hand jumping in lake sun evening lookin like 4-6 weeks out. Wow what a few days. |
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T13
257 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2011 : 13:29:45
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Diamond Bears started season as AAA and did not play well (I promise they gave 100%, not sure they enough AAA pitching)...since being moved down to AA have played good baseball but are not dominating the good AA teams (some scores of lopsided games are because some teams playing AA need to be single A more than AA teams needing to be moved up)....Also if you look at the Diamond Bears schedule they are playing everyone, everywhere and not avoiding anyone - have traveled to Tallahassee for an open global event, AAA SNIT, heading to Ripken Memorial Day weekend (major teams playing) and also going to the Global World Series in Orange Beach with the most Major teams. Mocs has it correct in that Diamond Bears are the tweener team very good AA but bottom AAA team.
NOTE: (also when you play in middle ga as a AAA or Major you do have to travel and parents and players don't do well when you go 3 and out every weekend!)...the recruiting area around Macon for travel ball is very limited.... |
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moccs
349 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2011 : 15:08:25
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Originally posted by BballNut
Help. How would you think a team with stats as listed below would be classified?
Record vs. BBboys11AAA Teams : 1-2
Record vs. BBboys11AA Teams : 11-2
Record vs. BBBoys11A Teams : 1-0
Depends on who the teams are that they have beat and how many times. If they have beat the same local team numerous times and that team is really not a quality (aa) team then I would probably think they are still a (aa) team. If they have beat several (aa) teams with a strong run diff I would say (aaa) team. When I make comments about team classifications they are not only based on usssa but open/nations tournaments also that I am aware of because some times usssa doesn't show you the whole picture. Usssa will tell you that they only consider their own tournaments. They expect the other coaches in the division to be the watchdogs !!! |
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nbcfyoy
56 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2011 : 15:09:45
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| @BballNut...based on the given information and assuming you're talking about an 11U team, I'd say AAA. They've only played 3 AAA games and took one but are clearly dominating AA match-ups. |
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nbcfyoy
56 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2011 : 15:18:25
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| @T13...Diamond Bears didn't do too shabby in AAA. They finished 3rd twice, 2nd twice and 5th once. That might not make you a great AAA team but you're making some noise at each event. Since they've come down, they're 15-3 and have finished 1st three times and won against very good teams (Vipers, Select, Arrows, Pigs, Guns, Bashers & Top Dog STING). They're too good to be playing AA. Simple as that. |
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Outtahere
43 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2011 : 08:11:22
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| When you make it to the ship in 3 out of your last 5 tournaments then it's time to go up. Especially when you take 1st in those three tournaments. It's development and a good quality coach should want to do that. Not dominate the division. |
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T13
257 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2011 : 14:33:25
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| Not sure having one win in 12 tries vs AAA/major would be considered making noise (run differential was pretty lopsided)....also need to look at number of teams in tourney and who you beat when evaluating a team....the real problem is that there will always be a gap between the top and bottom half of a classification because many of the lower teams in any classification are out manned (AA may be the worst since teams start there and need to be A)... |
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BballNut
73 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2011 : 19:07:52
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I agree. A team with these stats is listed on USSSA as a Majors Team. What gives? Am I missing something? No games against Majors teams and only 3 against AAA.
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Originally posted by nbcfyoy
@BballNut...based on the given information and assuming you're talking about an 11U team, I'd say AAA. They've only played 3 AAA games and took one but are clearly dominating AA match-ups.
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