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Im right
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 Posted - 05/04/2011 : 21:27:37
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Gwinnett
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Posted - 05/05/2011 : 07:52:39
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Maybe GA Select Red with all those wins???????
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Originally posted by Im right
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Outtahere
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Posted - 05/05/2011 : 08:55:12
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| Milton Nationals can hang with any AAA team. Especially after their Super NIT win. |
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biggin
174 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2011 : 10:15:20
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| I agree select red would be top at aaa. I don't see them movin up there is a reason they haven't played much usssa. |
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SSBuckeye
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Posted - 05/05/2011 : 11:33:14
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We played the Mill Creek AA team on Sunday. They hit like crazy and are a candidate for AAA.
Andy
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christheump
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Posted - 05/05/2011 : 12:02:11
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| If I am not mistaken Ga Select Red would have to be moved up to Major as I believe they're AAA right now. |
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BballNut
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Posted - 05/05/2011 : 12:52:26
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Originally posted by Outtahere
Milton Nationals can hang with any AAA team. Especially after their Super NIT win.
Not here to debate whether Milton Nationals or any other team is AAA material or not (that's for USSSA), but should it not be judged based whether a team, in its current ranking classification is posting wins against teams in higher ranking classifications vs. lower or equivalent. Said differently, if a team is dominating in its current classification but is not winning against teams in higher classifications, seems to me that would just indicate they are a very good "whatever classification" team. To justify being moved up or down, I would assume it would be based on whether a team is consistently winning or losing against teams in different classifications. In the case of moving up, consistently winning against teams in the higher classification. In the case of moving down, consistently losing against teams in current classification or lower. |
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bball99
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Posted - 05/05/2011 : 13:33:57
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| It looks like there were several AA teams moved to single A in the last week or so. |
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Outtahere
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Posted - 05/05/2011 : 14:32:04
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| Nut - True, but if a team in a classification consistently wins tournaments should they not want to play teams that challenge them and move up? My son will always play for a coach that is into developing a team/player and going after good competition. I thought the name of the game was to develop your team, not stay in a classification just to bring home trophies. It looks like Milton does play better competition already in TC open format and it looks like they hang pretty well. |
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coachtony
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Posted - 05/05/2011 : 14:51:06
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BBNut....I would have to respectfully disagree. If a team is dominating a classification they should absolutely be moved up no matter how they have fared against the few teams they have played from a higher class. The biggest reason is the simplest....they will never get any better playing the same level of competition and dominating. You should assume that when you get moved up a class that you will struggle some in the beginning but you will learn to play against better competition and your team will get better. If you are happy to stay at a lower level and continue to dominate then you are not truly trying to make your team better...you are simply filling a trophy chest. I think history proves that a team that truly dominates a division and gets moved up will eventually begin to be competitive in the higher division unless they have a defeatist attitude about the move.
I can only speak for my team, but I can promise you that if we can win a few tournaments in a row, we will not have to wait to be reclassified as we will start looking for better competition. I hope it is a problem we will have sooner than later :)
--T
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zman
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Posted - 05/05/2011 : 14:53:39
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| Maybe changing the subject here a little but what teams are over achieving or under achieving? |
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SSBuckeye
575 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2011 : 15:23:22
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| The Nats are playing in 12 tournaments this year, 3 AA & 9 AAA/Open. After this weekend, we have nothing but open tournaments ahead of us, so I 100% agree we need to challenge kids to make them the best they can be. |
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BballNut
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Posted - 05/05/2011 : 15:33:16
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See your point. I agree
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Originally posted by coachtony
BBNut....I would have to respectfully disagree. If a team is dominating a classification they should absolutely be moved up no matter how they have fared against the few teams they have played from a higher class. The biggest reason is the simplest....they will never get any better playing the same level of competition and dominating. You should assume that when you get moved up a class that you will struggle some in the beginning but you will learn to play against better competition and your team will get better. If you are happy to stay at a lower level and continue to dominate then you are not truly trying to make your team better...you are simply filling a trophy chest. I think history proves that a team that truly dominates a division and gets moved up will eventually begin to be competitive in the higher division unless they have a defeatist attitude about the move.
I can only speak for my team, but I can promise you that if we can win a few tournaments in a row, we will not have to wait to be reclassified as we will start looking for better competition. I hope it is a problem we will have sooner than later :)
--T
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Spartan4
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Posted - 05/05/2011 : 21:45:30
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| Every season there are one or two teams who win 95% of the games......This isn't by accident, they are handpicking tourneys they know they can win or sandbagging!! One or the other....At the major level teams like the EC Braves win 95% of the games they play so it is a little different situation, some teams are just that good! I have mentioned more than once I believe by eliminating one classification or dividing three into two classifications it would force teams to seek out better talent on all levels....It would also keep teams from driving across the south to play teams that are equal in ability to 5-7 AAA teams in Georgia who win tons of games! We have played in TN and NC in the last month and several of the major teams in those states that just don't stack up with Georgia's top AAA teams....Some are better some are worse but Georgia is a VERY strong state for travel baseball!!!! |
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moccs
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Posted - 05/06/2011 : 12:29:04
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| Well our team was moved to major a few weeks ago and now we have very few places to go play. We were forced to go to Savannah to play TC last weekend. We had already signed up for the Battle of the South and Major State and Global which are pretty much major tournaments. Problem is unless we want to travel to Tennesee or Alabama we basically cant play any usssa baseball.. Yeah Im sure there are a few 12 aaa tournaments and yes we have looked at those but what fun is it to play with only two or three teams and the ones in Middle Ga are played on 190 ft fences and make it hard for our 11u to compete when the 12 aaa can just make contact and hit a hr. We are definitely not whining about the move up after having won 5 consecutive tournaments against very good aaa teams although not blowing any one out. Just host a tournament for majors in a reasonble venue other than a holiday and allow us to play ball. I think a better solution would be to place several classes together for pool play then separate on Sunday into gold/silver brackets similar to TC. |
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Spartan4
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Posted - 05/06/2011 : 13:17:54
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Originally posted by moccs
Well our team was moved to major a few weeks ago and now we have very few places to go play. We were forced to go to Savannah to play TC last weekend. We had already signed up for the Battle of the South and Major State and Global which are pretty much major tournaments. Problem is unless we want to travel to Tennesee or Alabama we basically cant play any usssa baseball.. Yeah Im sure there are a few 12 aaa tournaments and yes we have looked at those but what fun is it to play with only two or three teams and the ones in Middle Ga are played on 190 ft fences and make it hard for our 11u to compete when the 12 aaa can just make contact and hit a hr. We are definitely not whining about the move up after having won 5 consecutive tournaments against very good aaa teams although not blowing any one out. Just host a tournament for majors in a reasonble venue other than a holiday and allow us to play ball. I think a better solution would be to place several classes together for pool play then separate on Sunday into gold/silver brackets similar to TC.
Same problem we ran into with the 10U Georgia Grip team.....There are SO MANY travel teams that few of them are major anymore...Good luck the rest of the way because there are fewer and fewer tourneys available later in the season. TC is a good avenue to get games in, and the Braves tourney plus usssa major state we should be able have a month and a half of good major tourneys here soon!! |
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skeeter
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Posted - 05/06/2011 : 14:02:10
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GS RED is only 4-0 in USSSA play???? What wins??quote:
Originally posted by Gwinnett
Maybe GA Select Red with all those wins???????
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Originally posted by Im right
Tell me what you think.
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SSBuckeye
575 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2011 : 15:00:27
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| Nats are now AAA. |
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cisco
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Posted - 05/24/2011 : 09:46:25
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Originally posted by SSBuckeye
We played the Mill Creek AA team on Sunday. They hit like crazy and are a candidate for AAA.
Andy
Nats
Looks like they were moved to AAA
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SSBuckeye
575 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2011 : 12:35:02
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| From what I saw, Mill Creek can definitely play with the AAA crowd. |
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m72
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Posted - 05/24/2011 : 17:00:23
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| Nats are now AAA so I guess Andy will have to put that back up on his website now. For those that don't know what I'm talking about, the Nats website use to address them as being a competitive AAA travel team. But then when I questioned Andy about why he proclaims one thing but plays another (AA), I was given this tweener explanation and soon after AAA was removed from their site. What I thought was so funny about it was they had 2 huge team pictures of themselves as champs of the Super NIT AA division but written right across the photos was how they're a competitive AAA team. I understand that they may have just now been moved up by USSSA but my thing was that I thought they should have been AAA from the start and if you gonna go around saying your AAA then play AAA not AA just because U trip hasn't forced you. I know Andy said they were gonna play in 3 AA tourneys and 9 AAA and that's cool if you're a AA team but not when you want to claim your AAA. Kind of makes it look like you're sand bagging to me. Boy, I can't wait to see Andy and the bandwaggons response to this one. Don't blame me though, I'm calling it as I see it and read it, and it was clearly printed. Look at the positive, back then I said they should be playing AAA which means I thought their team was good enough and now they have no choice. Apparently I was right. They got some criticism and a compliment. Work with me here. |
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yankeedad
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Posted - 05/24/2011 : 18:34:34
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Mill Creek is already listed as AAA in USSSA.
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Take 2
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Posted - 05/25/2011 : 15:37:41
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| I really like how Triple Crown has open tournaments and sets up bracket play against what one would think better competition. If a AAA has a good weekend and does well in bracket play they at least get a shot at whooping up on some major teams that weekend. Most likely not, but it makes for a fun Saturday afternoon/night conversation around the Taco Mac table with your team friends. |
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aginga
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Posted - 05/26/2011 : 00:06:21
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M72--Seems nearly every time you send a post (all very long BTW)it is about the Milton Nationals. A fact or two for the readers of this forum and a little snippet for you M72.
Fact: Nats record was 1-8-1 (obviously we were playing poorly) when Roswell Hornets cancelled a weekend double header with us and jumped in AAA SNIT. We had no place to play and were not scheduled to play in SNIT. Andy immediately called TD director and they said we could play in last AA spot (#32)in SNIT. No spots available in AAA. We had a magical weekend and went 7-0. We thank coach John Ryan @ Roswell Hornets every day for cancelling that DH! M72, we wish we could have played your team in the semi's but it didn't happen (yes M72, we know exactly who you are). Amazing how your posts about the Nats started flying after that weekend.
Fact: Nats entered 2nd AA tournament after AA/AAA tournament on schedule was cancelled. No "sandbagging" as you say here. How can you sandbag anyone after winning a SNIT??
Fact: Third AA tournament we have played (Hickory Flat Bash) was only AA on our original schedule.
M72 - you say look at the positive but your post is anything but that. Can't work with you here as I'm a parent on Andy's bandwagon.
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Originally posted by m72
Nats are now AAA so I guess Andy will have to put that back up on his website now. For those that don't know what I'm talking about, the Nats website use to address them as being a competitive AAA travel team. But then when I questioned Andy about why he proclaims one thing but plays another (AA), I was given this tweener explanation and soon after AAA was removed from their site. What I thought was so funny about it was they had 2 huge team pictures of themselves as champs of the Super NIT AA division but written right across the photos was how they're a competitive AAA team. I understand that they may have just now been moved up by USSSA but my thing was that I thought they should have been AAA from the start and if you gonna go around saying your AAA then play AAA not AA just because U trip hasn't forced you. I know Andy said they were gonna play in 3 AA tourneys and 9 AAA and that's cool if you're a AA team but not when you want to claim your AAA. Kind of makes it look like you're sand bagging to me. Boy, I can't wait to see Andy and the bandwaggons response to this one. Don't blame me though, I'm calling it as I see it and read it, and it was clearly printed. Look at the positive, back then I said they should be playing AAA which means I thought their team was good enough and now they have no choice. Apparently I was right. They got some criticism and a compliment. Work with me here.
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DCC
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Posted - 05/26/2011 : 14:33:32
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| Andy and the NATS are a class act all the way around. No need for them to defend their schedule in any way. Most real baseball people in North Georgia have nothing but respect for how they operate their program. Youth baseball needs more teams like this and less bloggers who can't say anthing positive. We lost to the NATS in the AA SNIT finals so if anyone has a right to belly ache about what level they play it would be us. There were 4-5 teams IMO that could have won it, but the NATS were the better team that day. I wish them the best of luck and hope that we have the privelage of playing them again this summer. |
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moccs
349 Posts |
Posted - 05/30/2011 : 12:33:15
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| Wills Park Titans could play major easily !!! Way to step it up at the Battle Of the South Guys.. |
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