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Tball
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 Posted - 04/09/2011 : 18:42:03
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| Could someone explain how a score is this. Do you not at some point show some mercy. |
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Spartan4
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Posted - 04/09/2011 : 20:36:56
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Originally posted by Tball
Could someone explain how a score is this. Do you not at some point show some mercy.
We beat a team one time something dumb like 32-4 or something ridiculous like that.....We had boys hitting doubles left handed the opposing team made about 20 errors in one inning....So I'm all for not stealing when you are up huge, moving station to station but I would never want our coach to tell the boys to walk off the bag and get tagged or to swing three times in a row to ensure a strikeout. Bottom line is the team who allowed 40 runs in one game had little business entering this tournament and that is painfully obvious. I feel bad for the boys who take a pounding playing against teams they never had a real legit shot against. Teams who cannot compete shouldn't enter these tourneys, it isn't good for anybody involved. |
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stingfree
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Posted - 04/10/2011 : 17:48:50
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| what tournament was this |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2011 : 22:12:26
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| Alabama Super NIT in Orange Beach.....big time tourney with a berth to Disney at stake. |
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G-Man
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 00:09:38
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There is something in baseball called class, win with it and lose with it. Now whether this other team should have been entered in to this tournament is besides the point. We have been involved against teams like this in the past and our coaches just had our boys bunt back to the pitcher and not be in a hurry to reach 1st base.
Even though the other team may not be that good those young men still have feelings and understand the game and know that a beating of that type is degrading and may cause some of those young men to give up the game that they may enjoy playing but would not want to face or risk that type of embarassment again. In my opinion there is no excuse for this type of score. |
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 09:01:18
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Papa will tell you that the score was a big topic at the tournament with several of the better teams wanting to get a shot at the team that scored the 40 runs and may have painted a bullseye on their back with this score. I can't say a lot as the Bandits were playing at the time but we kept getting updates that were hard to believe.
There is 2 sides to this and I would never take the side that says to have your guys intentionally make an out. But I would take the side that the Bandits generally take in this situtation and that is to have our kids working on switch hitting, switch hit and do bunt more. And also in defense of the high scoring team, I don't know if there was anything that they could have done to slow things down but for the love of the game and in respect for the other team I hope that they were at least trying.
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PANNI
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 09:48:21
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G-Man, you can send your son up to bat and ask him to swing 3 times to miss or give less than 100% but that will never happen with a team I'm affiliated with. Here's also what Team Florida did while they were 'laughing and degrading' the other team. 1st and 3rd base coaches were actually coaching the other teams players showing them how to get ready, how to hold a runner at 1st base.. Surely your 'friend' who was at the game noticed that the 1st baseman had no clue as to how to hold a runner. I'm sure your 'friend' also noticed the several balks the pitcher threw. When they changed him out, he went to play 1B. TF 1B coach also took the time to show him what he was doing wrong with the balk situation and also how to hold a runner on. The other team made error after error. After the 1st inning, I personally went and asked the umpire to open up the strike zone. We stopped running, stealing and went one base at a time.
Here's the bottom line. It was quite embarrassing for both teams. The other team should not have been at this tournament. The coaches and players were not prepared and did not know the basics for this level. It may have appeared different to others, but I assure you, if your 'friend' was paying close attention, he would have noticed the extra effort TF coaches took to help these players.
Ask Baseball Papa or any other Bandit parent if they would send their son or grandson to the plate with the instruction to awing 3 times to strike out. I think that is more of an insult than running up the score.
Did your 'friend' notice that the other team's coaches weren't really coaching. Instead of insulting our team, why not mention how the other teams coaches weren't prepared at all and did not do much coaching at all.
And no, this was not the way we ran up the score. The score was based on different levels of talent and many errors.
Also, TF coaches told their players to switch hit the last inning, then the coach for the other team called the game.
I feel as though we did our part and were sportsman. There really is no winner in this situation as our intent was not to humiliate these boys but at some point, you have to be able to field a routine grounder,catch a fly ball and catch the basic throws and this just didn't happen.
Baseball Papa, I'm pretty sure it didn't take a 40-1 game for TF to get your attention. Thanks for all the line up cards and cracker jacks. I will get those back to you when we meet again... if I don't forget. Also, when you marked your chair spot down the 3rd base line when the Bandits started hitting in the earlier game... I have to admit, I moved it whene you got up. I guess that didn't work either.
TF v. The Bandits was a great game. Back and forth and great competition. Good luck in Charlotte. I'm sure the Dirtbags won't have to put up 40 runs to get the bullseye.
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Originally posted by baseballpapa
Papa will tell you that the score was a big topic at the tournament with several of the better teams wanting to get a shot at the team that scored the 40 runs and may have painted a bullseye on their back with this score. I can't say a lot as the Bandits were playing at the time but we kept getting updates that were hard to believe.
There is 2 sides to this and I would never take the side that says to have your guys intentionally make an out. But I would take the side that the Bandits generally take in this situtation and that is to have our kids working on switch hitting, switch hit and do bunt more. And also in defense of the high scoring team, I don't know if there was anything that they could have done to slow things down but for the love of the game and in respect for the other team I hope that they were at least trying.
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 10:52:29
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Papa didn't see the game but I did see the AA team warming up and could see how the score could have happened. The Bandits have never beaten any team by 1/2 that much but we have never played a team that was more unprepared than this one was.
I hope and pray that the loss does not defeat them but challenges them to be better. One of my most favorite sayings is that we can learn much more from the loss than you can the easy wins. But to be honest this team was just massively overmatched and most likely did not know what they had signed up for.
Team Florida is a class act in my book and they might have made a mistake with this score and if I am guessing right I bet that they wish that it hadn't happened as much as most of us.
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G-Man
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 13:31:42
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I feel from what I have taught my son not only about baseball but about life. I wouldnt have to tell him to bunt a ball back to the pitcher, he would do it on his own if the game was that far out of hand and he felt the other players were dejected. Do you have any idea what happens once these young men get older and a team runs a score up? I am sure you have seen a pitcher hit a batter. when the other team feels it is malisous that next inning the other teams next batter gets nailed. There are several unwritten rules that baseball teams/players follow. Running up a score happens to be one of those that will call for in-game justice. Its not the coaches that will call for this justice but the players. So is this not a part of the ethical part of the game we have to teach these young men. Because at some point in their baseball careers they will be faced with some of these unwritten rules. Just like the rule I have heard some of you on this forum mention about young men standing near the plate trying to get their timing when the other teams pitcher is warming up. Again in the older age groups that batter gets one in the earhole. Yet I dont see many coaches letting their players know this. So hense when they get older they might still think it is fine do do this but would learn a hard lesson because they were not told its inappropreiate.
As for the other teams coach getting mad and insulting TF. I am sorry but I am not sure I cant blame him. Does it show the best judgement on the other teams coaches for entering this tournament NO. But if I was the coach of such a team I would get upset as well if a team was TRYING to run up the score.
Now as for my friend who witnessed all of this I am sure he understood completely what he saw. This person is not just some dad who has picked up a little bit here and there about the game of baseball because his son plays. This guy played pro baseball and because of what others before him taught him about the game found what he saw to be disgusting. Based on what he relayed to me and the score I saw I find it distrubing.
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Originally posted by PANNI
G-Man, you can send your son up to bat and ask him to swing 3 times to miss or give less than 100% but that will never happen with a team I'm affiliated with. Here's also what Team Florida did while they were 'laughing and degrading' the other team. 1st and 3rd base coaches were actually coaching the other teams players showing them how to get ready, how to hold a runner at 1st base.. Surely your 'friend' who was at the game noticed that the 1st baseman had no clue as to how to hold a runner. I'm sure your 'friend' also noticed the several balks the pitcher threw. When they changed him out, he went to play 1B. TF 1B coach also took the time to show him what he was doing wrong with the balk situation and also how to hold a runner on. The other team made error after error. After the 1st inning, I personally went and asked the umpire to open up the strike zone. We stopped running, stealing and went one base at a time.
Here's the bottom line. It was quite embarrassing for both teams. The other team should not have been at this tournament. The coaches and players were not prepared and did not know the basics for this level. It may have appeared different to others, but I assure you, if your 'friend' was paying close attention, he would have noticed the extra effort TF coaches took to help these players.
Ask Baseball Papa or any other Bandit parent if they would send their son or grandson to the plate with the instruction to awing 3 times to strike out. I think that is more of an insult than running up the score.
Did your 'friend' notice that the other team's coaches weren't really coaching. Instead of insulting our team, why not mention how the other teams coaches weren't prepared at all and did not do much coaching at all.
And no, this was not the way we ran up the score. The score was based on different levels of talent and many errors.
Also, TF coaches told their players to switch hit the last inning, then the coach for the other team called the game.
I feel as though we did our part and were sportsman. There really is no winner in this situation as our intent was not to humiliate these boys but at some point, you have to be able to field a routine grounder,catch a fly ball and catch the basic throws and this just didn't happen.
Baseball Papa, I'm pretty sure it didn't take a 40-1 game for TF to get your attention. Thanks for all the line up cards and cracker jacks. I will get those back to you when we meet again... if I don't forget. Also, when you marked your chair spot down the 3rd base line when the Bandits started hitting in the earlier game... I have to admit, I moved it whene you got up. I guess that didn't work either.
TF v. The Bandits was a great game. Back and forth and great competition. Good luck in Charlotte. I'm sure the Dirtbags won't have to put up 40 runs to get the bullseye.
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Originally posted by baseballpapa
Papa will tell you that the score was a big topic at the tournament with several of the better teams wanting to get a shot at the team that scored the 40 runs and may have painted a bullseye on their back with this score. I can't say a lot as the Bandits were playing at the time but we kept getting updates that were hard to believe.
There is 2 sides to this and I would never take the side that says to have your guys intentionally make an out. But I would take the side that the Bandits generally take in this situtation and that is to have our kids working on switch hitting, switch hit and do bunt more. And also in defense of the high scoring team, I don't know if there was anything that they could have done to slow things down but for the love of the game and in respect for the other team I hope that they were at least trying.
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catch and throw
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 15:48:39
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| Why wait til the last inning to start switch hitting?If they were that bad you do after youre up 15 - 0, or 16 - 1.Have a little compasion! |
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PANNI
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 16:49:53
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GMan, I don't think you read my post correctly. I don't recall the other teams coaches insulting TF. I truly understand the arguement and it is difficult to justfy the score. I also think you missed my point. My point was your post stated how we ran the score up with the intention that we did this intentionally. You also stated how your ex pro baseball player friend said TF was laughing and degrading the other team. Surely, he being the ex pro baseball player would have noticed the coaching we offered in good will, we stopped stealing and went station to station. I also asked the ump to open up the strike zone. But your post included none of this. Why not?? Maybe, you should have gotten the full story befoer you started posting criticisms to TF. Our players were told they could bat lefty. But I will never ask a kid to go swing 3 times to strike out. I guess we could have bunted but they still have to make the play. Also, has anyone mentioned the other teams coach could have come out after the 1st inning when it was 24-0 and said 'no mas'. It's a lot easier to coach over the internet or from the stands after the fact. I take the criticism for what's its worth and try to do a better job in the future. I just thought someone from TF should explain our side of the story. If the explanation isn't to your satisfaction, so be it. I agree with BB Papa, we truly wish this situation had not occurred. This game helped no one.
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Originally posted by G-Man
I feel from what I have taught my son not only about baseball but about life. I wouldnt have to tell him to bunt a ball back to the pitcher, he would do it on his own if the game was that far out of hand and he felt the other players were dejected. Do you have any idea what happens once these young men get older and a team runs a score up? I am sure you have seen a pitcher hit a batter. when the other team feels it is malisous that next inning the other teams next batter gets nailed. There are several unwritten rules that baseball teams/players follow. Running up a score happens to be one of those that will call for in-game justice. Its not the coaches that will call for this justice but the players. So is this not a part of the ethical part of the game we have to teach these young men. Because at some point in their baseball careers they will be faced with some of these unwritten rules. Just like the rule I have heard some of you on this forum mention about young men standing near the plate trying to get their timing when the other teams pitcher is warming up. Again in the older age groups that batter gets one in the earhole. Yet I dont see many coaches letting their players know this. So hense when they get older they might still think it is fine do do this but would learn a hard lesson because they were not told its inappropreiate.
As for the other teams coach getting mad and insulting TF. I am sorry but I am not sure I cant blame him. Does it show the best judgement on the other teams coaches for entering this tournament NO. But if I was the coach of such a team I would get upset as well if a team was TRYING to run up the score.
Now as for my friend who witnessed all of this I am sure he understood completely what he saw. This person is not just some dad who has picked up a little bit here and there about the game of baseball because his son plays. This guy played pro baseball and because of what others before him taught him about the game found what he saw to be disgusting. Based on what he relayed to me and the score I saw I find it distrubing.
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Originally posted by PANNI
G-Man, you can send your son up to bat and ask him to swing 3 times to miss or give less than 100% but that will never happen with a team I'm affiliated with. Here's also what Team Florida did while they were 'laughing and degrading' the other team. 1st and 3rd base coaches were actually coaching the other teams players showing them how to get ready, how to hold a runner at 1st base.. Surely your 'friend' who was at the game noticed that the 1st baseman had no clue as to how to hold a runner. I'm sure your 'friend' also noticed the several balks the pitcher threw. When they changed him out, he went to play 1B. TF 1B coach also took the time to show him what he was doing wrong with the balk situation and also how to hold a runner on. The other team made error after error. After the 1st inning, I personally went and asked the umpire to open up the strike zone. We stopped running, stealing and went one base at a time.
Here's the bottom line. It was quite embarrassing for both teams. The other team should not have been at this tournament. The coaches and players were not prepared and did not know the basics for this level. It may have appeared different to others, but I assure you, if your 'friend' was paying close attention, he would have noticed the extra effort TF coaches took to help these players.
Ask Baseball Papa or any other Bandit parent if they would send their son or grandson to the plate with the instruction to awing 3 times to strike out. I think that is more of an insult than running up the score.
Did your 'friend' notice that the other team's coaches weren't really coaching. Instead of insulting our team, why not mention how the other teams coaches weren't prepared at all and did not do much coaching at all.
And no, this was not the way we ran up the score. The score was based on different levels of talent and many errors.
Also, TF coaches told their players to switch hit the last inning, then the coach for the other team called the game.
I feel as though we did our part and were sportsman. There really is no winner in this situation as our intent was not to humiliate these boys but at some point, you have to be able to field a routine grounder,catch a fly ball and catch the basic throws and this just didn't happen.
Baseball Papa, I'm pretty sure it didn't take a 40-1 game for TF to get your attention. Thanks for all the line up cards and cracker jacks. I will get those back to you when we meet again... if I don't forget. Also, when you marked your chair spot down the 3rd base line when the Bandits started hitting in the earlier game... I have to admit, I moved it whene you got up. I guess that didn't work either.
TF v. The Bandits was a great game. Back and forth and great competition. Good luck in Charlotte. I'm sure the Dirtbags won't have to put up 40 runs to get the bullseye.
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Originally posted by baseballpapa
Papa will tell you that the score was a big topic at the tournament with several of the better teams wanting to get a shot at the team that scored the 40 runs and may have painted a bullseye on their back with this score. I can't say a lot as the Bandits were playing at the time but we kept getting updates that were hard to believe.
There is 2 sides to this and I would never take the side that says to have your guys intentionally make an out. But I would take the side that the Bandits generally take in this situtation and that is to have our kids working on switch hitting, switch hit and do bunt more. And also in defense of the high scoring team, I don't know if there was anything that they could have done to slow things down but for the love of the game and in respect for the other team I hope that they were at least trying.
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Spartan4
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 17:04:02
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| Again this is just my opinion, but if my team couldn't field a ground ball and was so pitiful they were getting beat by 39 runs I'm not sure I would tell my pitcher to earhole the opposing team? I would be embarrassed I put those kids on the field so unprepared... If you put 9-10-11-12U kids in a position to fail they will, and it isn't the fault of the opposing coaches. I just don't think any coach has ever said, "Hey Johnny, I know your team is getting killed and I'm just frustrated they are that much better than us.....Drill the next one up"....This particular coach had every right to be mad, but he should probably take his frustrations out on himself for doing a poor job picking what tourneys to play in. In the past we have played teams we knew we couldn't beat, but I'm not sure we have ever played a team that could be us by 40!! Having an issue with running the score up is one thing, but I just think we should evenly distribute the blame.....Some kids/teams just CANNOT compete with the others.....I can't imagine how brutal it must be to beat pounded this badly, but it would feel far worse IMO to know the other team just stopped trying because myself and my team were that bad. |
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10 BB
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Posted - 04/12/2011 : 00:18:29
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Has anyone even looked at the runs this team allowed in this tournament? I'll save you some time, the answer is 77 runs in 3 games and scored 2!
We were laughing and having fun in the dugout, it's something we try to do although I must say the older these boys get the more serious the game becomes and the less laughing and cutting up the boys do. We never one time laughed at the other teams inability to play the game at the level TF did or does.
Never one time has it been mentioned the we never attempted a pickoff play against the sole runner they had on the bases, never one time was it mentioned the team never put the ball in play nor the fact that every kid on the team pitched. They couldn't even throw strikes, the blue had to start calling strikes from the neck to the ground. There pitchers balked time and time again, so bad the blues just stopped calling the balks.
You can say what ever you want but to imply that my son and his teammates acted wrongly in this game is offensive to me and him. Without you being there to wittiness it for yourself and calling us out on this makes you no better than what your trying to accuse us of being!
G-man it's obvious you don't like our team by your always negative posts about us. I know you and know that you nor yor son have ever competed against us so you having some underlying hate towards our team to the point to come on a site to try and bash our team is uncalled for. My son loves and lives for the game of baseball, he devotes all his time and his own money to the sport. He doesn't deserve to be picked on by a grown man who doesn't even know him just because we play the game the right way and you choose to try and bring these boys down to your level with your insults and undeserving criticism. |
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