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ecbpappi
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 Posted - 03/16/2011 : 10:27:30
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Longhorns are hosting a tournament at east cobb next weekend, here is the schedule. iirc, the then 9U longhorns beat Shiloh in a come from behind win. Can they do it again on a bigger field?
http://www.eastcobbbaseball.com/print_schedule.php?trid=104&age=11 |
Edited by - ecbpappi on 03/16/2011 10:27:48 |
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titans
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Posted - 03/16/2011 : 16:54:31
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| Actually last year Shiloh came from behind to beat the 9U Longhorns in the championship. |
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tae281
447 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2011 : 08:42:40
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| Yes they did, it was a close game throughout but Shiloh scored 2 in the bottom of the 6th to beat the 10U Longhorns. I think that was there first time playing up last season and their playing in it again this year. |
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gafan
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Posted - 03/17/2011 : 09:56:38
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| This tourney seems to have a lot of evenly matched teams. Most seem like mid to upper level AAA. I like that because it isn't 2-3 teams likely to dominate... gonna be some close games I think. |
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itsbaseballtime
348 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2011 : 20:24:41
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| How is tournament going? Any surprises? Crazy day for baseball!! |
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tae281
447 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2011 : 23:33:50
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Originally posted by itsbaseballtime
How is tournament going? Any surprises? Crazy day for baseball!!
Tournament has been a challenge, we were delayed 4 different times on Saturday due to weather and ended up 3 hours behind. Thanks to all of the parents and coaches for your patience, many other tournaments just canceled but we are determined to try and finish this.
Hopefully, we can find a way to get this finished up on Sunday. |
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cnettles
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Posted - 03/27/2011 : 17:51:06
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| Take 2--I understand your point (sensing the frustration) but all of the teams did get both pool games in and this how all tournaments work. To my understanding the Forsyth Slugfest was basically a wash out the whole weekend and some teams I don't believe got a refund from that? If I am wrong about that my bad--I do believe the forecast called for rain all weekend so I think that some teams knew this and might have thrown some of their better pitching with the hope of being as close to the top as possible...just my take..... |
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tae281
447 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2011 : 22:04:37
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Originally posted by Take 2
Very disappointed in the decisions made by the director of this tournament to only allow the top 4 seeded teams to play for the championship. After all it was a qualifier and teams were saving pitching for bracket play. Hope you already have some form of a refund check mailed to the 11 teams cheated out a chance for this birth!! Terrible decision.
Ok, I can take the heat but our only two options were to cancel the remainder of the tournament like the 10's and 14's did or continue under a modified format. We had 1 field to work with and couldn't start a game till 1PM (to get it ready) and it had to be finished by 7 PM so you had games at 1PM, 3PM & 5PM. Not sure how you can finish up bracket play for 14 teams within this time frame. Keep in mind, there were no other tournament games being played at the complex except for these 3, I know you wanted me to cancel all remaining games but we felt this was the most logical alternative based on what we had to work with.
As far as the refund, every major tournament organization does not refund any portion of a team's entry fee once their 2 pool games have been completed.
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BballNut
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Posted - 03/27/2011 : 22:39:15
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| Anyone have an update on the tournament results? Are they posted anywhere? |
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SSBuckeye
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 07:00:34
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| WF D-Dawgs beat WP Warriors 5-3 for the title. |
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ecbteam
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 07:23:36
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Top 4 teams were Roswell, West Forsyth, ECB Longhorn 10u, and Wills Park Warriors.
Wills Park beat Roswell and West Forsyth beat the Longhorns.
Ship was Warriors and West Forsyth. West Forsyth won 5-3 |
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aginga
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 07:28:49
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Tae281, you did all you could do. My sons team was not one of the top four seeds and of course we were disappointed not to play Sunday as well. However, it would have been a worse decision if you had a field to play and just awarded tournament hardware to the top seeded teams. Take 2 - IMO your way off base here. quote:
Originally posted by tae281
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Originally posted by Take 2
Very disappointed in the decisions made by the director of this tournament to only allow the top 4 seeded teams to play for the championship. After all it was a qualifier and teams were saving pitching for bracket play. Hope you already have some form of a refund check mailed to the 11 teams cheated out a chance for this birth!! Terrible decision.
Ok, I can take the heat but our only two options were to cancel the remainder of the tournament like the 10's and 14's did or continue under a modified format. We had 1 field to work with and couldn't start a game till 1PM (to get it ready) and it had to be finished by 7 PM so you had games at 1PM, 3PM & 5PM. Not sure how you can finish up bracket play for 14 teams within this time frame. Keep in mind, there were no other tournament games being played at the complex except for these 3, I know you wanted me to cancel all remaining games but we felt this was the most logical alternative based on what we had to work with.
As far as the refund, every major tournament organization does not refund any portion of a team's entry fee once their 2 pool games have been completed.
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tae281
447 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2011 : 08:58:54
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Semi #1: WP Warriors defeated Roswell Hornets
Semi #2: WF Diamond Dogs defeated 10U EC Longhorns
Finals: WF Diamond Dogs defeated WP Warriors |
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Catch3dad
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 09:11:00
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Originally posted by tae281
Semi #1: WP Warriors defeated Roswell Hornets
Semi #2: WF Diamond Dogs defeated 10U EC Longhorns
Finals: WF Diamond Dogs defeated WP Warriors
So only top 4 seeds played on Sunday? What happned to Sandy Plains? Looked like they won their first Bracket game but don't get to move on? Confusing to say the least.
IMHO, event should have been cancelled. As the Final Four teams will attest, seeding means nothing.
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ecbpappi
244 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2011 : 09:20:50
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Originally posted by Take 2
Very disappointed in the decisions made by the director of this tournament to only allow the top 4 seeded teams to play for the championship. After all it was a qualifier and teams were saving pitching for bracket play. Hope you already have some form of a refund check mailed to the 11 teams cheated out a chance for this birth!! Terrible decision.
jmho but if the forecast call for rain, most teams go after pool games harder knowing that things might get cut down or awarded based on pool play. It's not uncommon to award 1st and 2nd place based on pool standings in the event of rain. I know your a first year team so maybe next time you play pool games differently based on the weather. |
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m72
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 10:40:33
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| Tae, would East Cobb not have let you carry this over to today (Monday) with it being the qualifier that it was. I only ask because I know that's what ATPP did with theirs and that tourney doesn't mean anything. I think they actually plan on playing into Tuesday. I know, it's 2 different facilities and probably not your call but was just wondering. Otherwise, ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't. However, it would stink really bad to be one of those teams that didn't get a chance. I feel for all. Tough position. |
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slide_home
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 10:54:06
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Tae, no complaints about allowing the top 4 seeds to finish. If there was no other way to get the tournament done, you made the best decision.
My only suggestion is better communication.
The bad weather caused unanticipated communication issues. Having a post on the ECB website would have been a great way to communicate with the masses. A cross post from the ECB site to your own site which had the pool results would have helped us find info and brackets. There was a disconnect with the ECB site and the Longhorn site.
All in all, we can't control the weather but you did a good job inspite of it. |
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ecbteam
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 11:32:22
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Tae
I think it was a good call on the tournament. You can only do so much with that amount of rain. Thank goodness our fields drain well overall. At least a few teams got to play and settle it. All 4 teams were some of the top teams anyway that made it to the show. Sandbagging pool games can bite you occassionally, not that anyone would ever do that!
Wills park and West Forsyth were really hitting the ball well. West Forsyth had a better defense from what I saw with some power shots to the deep outfield.
The ECB 10u team looked good, seemed pitching was off a little.
I agree that no association gives refunds after 2 pool games and you should not as well. |
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m72
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 11:33:19
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| I stand corrected, looks like ATPP cancelled everything now too. Which IMO is worse than doing what Tae did cause now nobody wins at ATPP. Can't do anything about the weather but what a waste for some teams. Was this Taes call here too cause I think he had something to do with this tourney also, just not sure how much. At least most teams got 3 games here except the number 1 & 2 seeds. The better you do the less you play when bad weather is in the forecast, then it gets cancelled and you've paid alot of money for very few games. Nature of the beast I guess. Where's everyone at next weekend? |
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baseballforever
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 12:00:59
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| It's the responsibility of every Team to weigh the weather forecast when determining pool strategy. The Tournament Director made the right call. Everyone knows that every tournament is the luck of the draw in pool play and you must deal with the hand your dealt. It's early in the travel baseball season. Plenty of tournament to play to get your qualifier points. |
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BballNut
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 14:27:44
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Agree with communication post. Updates were not posted timely which made for a very chaotic day, particularly with rain delays.
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Originally posted by slide_home
Tae, no complaints about allowing the top 4 seeds to finish. If there was no other way to get the tournament done, you made the best decision.
My only suggestion is better communication.
The bad weather caused unanticipated communication issues. Having a post on the ECB website would have been a great way to communicate with the masses. A cross post from the ECB site to your own site which had the pool results would have helped us find info and brackets. There was a disconnect with the ECB site and the Longhorn site.
All in all, we can't control the weather but you did a good job inspite of it.
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Spartan4
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 15:03:56
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Originally posted by baseballforever
It's the responsibility of every Team to weigh the weather forecast when determining pool strategy. The Tournament Director made the right call. Everyone knows that every tournament is the luck of the draw in pool play and you must deal with the hand your dealt. It's early in the travel baseball season. Plenty of tournament to play to get your qualifier points.
I agree 100%!! It isn't an easy task to run a tournament, while it is very easy to sit back and complain about how it is run. After the monsoon on Saturday it was a chore to get even one field ready for play on Sunday. I believe Tae deserves a little credit here, not only for all the work he put in but also for not giving up on Sunday like the other age groups did. Also to the poster above, seeding DOES matter!! Super NIT tourneys that are rained out award Elite 32 berths to Disney based upon pool results. If the tournament was a wash this board would look like the 10U board with teams complaining about "why didn't we play?? there was no rain on Sunday!!"....The rain out rules are the same for everyone(exactly like the pitching rules) if a team is concerned with rain then going after the highest possible seed ensures the best possible bracket draw or even playing on Sunday. |
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tae281
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 16:03:16
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Originally posted by m72
Tae, would East Cobb not have let you carry this over to today (Monday) with it being the qualifier that it was. I only ask because I know that's what ATPP did with theirs and that tourney doesn't mean anything. I think they actually plan on playing into Tuesday. I know, it's 2 different facilities and probably not your call but was just wondering. Otherwise, ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't. However, it would stink really bad to be one of those teams that didn't get a chance. I feel for all. Tough position.
Only option to carry it over to Monday would have been to use our practice slot, that would only have given us 1 game though. |
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tae281
447 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2011 : 16:25:34
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Originally posted by Take 2
Tae281 that explains why you had all the 2nd pool games played in pouring down rain with rain delay after rain delay. Rummors have it, that the noon games were rescheduled 2 times, interupted after 1st or 2nd inning and was rescheduled 2 hours later. Even after the lightening warning horn was sounded you had those kids out on the field 15 minutes later. Several noon games were finalized, after 45 minute total playing time, at 7:00pm. So when it rains, it is no longer about the kids its about the money. SHAME!!! I, as well as others, felt you should have called off the tournament at 9:30 Saturday morning when the first lightening warning and flood came through but you insisted on playing. Now I understand why.
As for the Slugfest, they gave back 1/2 the money if you played 1 pool game and all if no games were played but they kept the $150 parents/grandparents entry into the park fees even if you did not play a single game. Most didn't mind or ask for the money back because it was a charity event. This particiluar tournament was about a USSSA/ECB Longhorns fundraiser...Big difference.
While on my soap box, what's up with advertising the tournament as being played at the wonderful ECB complex, teams paying up to $100 more for this tournment because of it, and then having 1/2 of the games played at Mt. Bethal Park, not the new fields, but the old one down in the corner with no concession stand, no handicap access for grandparents, 1/3 of the lights not working and the infield (grassed)as bumpy as my fresh tilled garden.
Our kids played a total of 10 innings(1 hour games due to rain delay) and it cost $500+ dollars. Something is wrong with this "major tournament event" rule. I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule clauses. That is a lot of money.
Take 2,
Your facts are not true, all pool games were played in their normal 1:40 minute time limit. They did get delayed due to rain, lightning and field conditions. All other tournaments were already canceled except for the ones ATPP and east cobb. Pool games were completed just after 5:00PM and the first bracket game with SP Wildcats and Patriot Baseball started around 6:30PM, that game was completed and the 2nd pool game between Barrett and WP Warriors was in the 2nd inning before the day was called for good.
As far as the lightning warning, there are two horns that go off. First one is to alert everyone that they should get off the fields and the 2nd one to let them know to continue. Play resumed for the 7 games after the 2nd horn went off, I don't have that kind of authority there.
Also, Mt. Bethel is a nice field with 2 handi capped parking spots right in front. Funny thing is, I don't remember anyone parking there so that's not true either.
Feel free to contact me anytime if you would like to discuss the facts of this past weekend.
Tae
678-935-8540
tae281@hotmail.com
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Yankeefan22
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 20:49:37
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Originally posted by baseballforever
It's the responsibility of every Team to weigh the weather forecast when determining pool strategy. The Tournament Director made the right call. Everyone knows that every tournament is the luck of the draw in pool play and you must deal with the hand your dealt. It's early in the travel baseball season. Plenty of tournament to play to get your qualifier points.
Well said!!!!!
We all knew about the weather and thought that it could be a factor. Bottom line...win your pool games. It has always backfired on us for saving pitching for Sunday.
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SMASH
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Posted - 03/28/2011 : 21:45:36
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Tae,
You need to get your facts straight. We, Smash Baseball, were on the field for a total of 1 hour for our second pool play game on Sat. We didn't even make it through the first inning before a rain delay (~20 minutes play time). After the delay the umpires informed us they were shortening the games and we had only 43 minutes left on the clock. Final tally... $500 for 1 hour (3 innings) @ the beautiful ECB. Our first pool play game was at Mt. Bethel which is not a nice field. |
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