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baseballpapa
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 Posted - 02/28/2011 : 08:27:14
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| USSSA only has rules for us but their rules have never allowed applied to them and it has been made clear for years that they do not expect to follow the very rules they created. If they say they can do it then they can do it. |
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PeachyGal
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 12:50:31
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| The team in question has close ties to one of the USSSA directors (as I'm sure you are all aware). This particular team, and others within the same organization, are often allowed to "bend" the rules or heck, ignore the rules altogether. You are all right. The rules only apply to certain teams. Maybe its time for a complete removal of ALL USSSA directors and have non-biased replacements. Or maybe we let them play, as they do every year, and send them home with another embarrassing weekend. |
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Coach D
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 14:58:38
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Wow!! Must be some GA parents mad at the gamers ? Just so you know we wernt embaressed it was our first w/e playing Major Caliber teams and we made mistakes that you cant make against these type teams.I assure you your petty attemps at trying to degrade our team will not keep us from getting right back in the mix with the big boys.
We did not ask for or accepted any favors from anyone at USSSA . We payed and got the last spot simple as that.
By the way where has your team been this year? Havent seen you guys in any tourneys ?
Hope you all have a great year , as I am sure that we will!!
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barsred98
116 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 15:14:44
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My son plays on the team I beleave you all are speaking of.
1. We were one of the first teams to sign up and were told that no AAA teams were going to be allowed in until after all Major teams had the opportunity. We were then waitlisted.
2. Just last week we were told that as we were the first AAA team to register back when the tournament posted we could get a spot.
3. Since when is playing up and trying to get your team more experience seen as bending the rules.
4. Our team did not see this past weekend as an embarrassment but as a learning experience which we will build on in the coming weeks. No, our boys did not play up to par for what they are capable of but I'm sure that there were many teams this weekend that did not since it was February. IMO, getting into the gold bracket with the caliber of teams playing would not be embarrassing to any team.
5. THanks for LETTING us play Peachygal (LOL) but you have NEVER sent this team home because it is a new team with players from 6-7 different teams.
6. I can tell you that whatever happens, THIS TEAM will NEVER go home embarrassed because our boys will have played to best of their ability on that given weekend and given it all for their team! |
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catch and throw
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 15:54:02
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| Ga 12 look forward to seeing your team at supnit.Alot of people don't think you will do well, do you? |
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HAWKS8
70 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 16:49:17
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Let me clarify something to Gamers...I am not shooting darts at you all and actually never used your name.
My issue is with USSSA. I signed up for this tournament in January. There were no names on the list when I signed up it was that long ago. I went through the same headache as you all when I signed up as I wanted to play up as well. Could not register for major as I had to play AAA. Like you all, I sent an e-mail as I am also trying to play the best competition I can. The TD director has stated to me in an e-mail you all requested first. Since I had no idea this was even an option, that could have been the case. My issue is I never got an e-mail, notice, or any correspondent saying hey, we will now allow any AAA teams who would like to play up an opportunity to request it. To my knowledge nobody has but the Gamers got this "last" spot before anyone else even had a chance or even knew they could. Coincidence? If so, you are just getting a bad rap and you can thank the TD for putting you in that spot. I was told nobody would be awarded this spot till March 1st as that spot was for major only. Just seems strange to this ole boy how nobody knew this was even an option until they let the Gamers in.
I believe the TD in this instance while maybe not doing anything against the rules, was unethical on how he handled this. He should have sent an e-mail to all the AAA teams and given them all the same opportunity to play up. What he did is gave one team the opportunity. A better way to be real fair about it was to have it on the registration webpage that all teams will be in the division they are clssified in. However if you would like to play up, email the tournament director. This way, the request would have been dated the same time as you registered.
I just have to accept this is USSSA. As most of us know, it is not really the association of choice. We play them when we have have run out of other options..at least we do. |
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 21:42:18
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If a team wants to play the SNIT as Majors why wouldn't they just register as Majors? USSSA used to have very few Major events locally, so it was too limiting to register as Majors, but they seemed to have corrected this to some extent, plus not many Major teams play a lot of USSSA around here anyway.
Is it because you want to compete in States as AAA? Is it to have more tourney options? My son doesn't play Majors, so don't have that perspective.
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G-Man
326 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 23:03:48
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Some teams sandbag and play AAA. The other logical reason I see is that during the spring season there are more AAA tournaments to play in than Major in Georgia. This only applies to Usssa tournaments however.
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Originally posted by bmoser
If a team wants to play the SNIT as Majors why wouldn't they just register as Majors? USSSA used to have very few Major events locally, so it was too limiting to register as Majors, but they seemed to have corrected this to some extent, plus not many Major teams play a lot of USSSA around here anyway.
Is it because you want to compete in States as AAA? Is it to have more tourney options? My son doesn't play Majors, so don't have that perspective.
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catch and throw
13 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2011 : 10:56:52
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| GA 12, who exactly is your team?On other posts you talk about Ga academy like your with them, but they haven't played at all. |
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HAWKS8
70 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2011 : 13:46:32
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| Apparently, they "found' another team to play up. I got a message saying we could play at the Major division in the SNIT. I can see it now, I will get Bandits and then Sandtown...followed by probably another 1,2 or 3 team. Does not matter, we want to compete there and that is what we will do. I have not seen a message yet where the change has happened. Probably won't, they are not too good at sending out informative messages... |
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HAWKS8
70 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2011 : 14:02:20
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| Bmoser, the issue is when you sign up for the SNIT, you cannot just sign up out of your division. That is what the problem was. The reason I am classified as a AAA is for exactly what some thought. There was more AAA tournaments locally and we did not want to travel a far distance every weekend to play games. I know some tournaments are labeled "open" and we can play all the competition we need in those, but we always have the option to play AAA tournaments only if we need to get a tournament in and it is in our backyard. More options...that is it. |
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2011 : 15:37:37
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| HAWKS8, Glad you got in. I hope your boys do well and have a blast. We'll miss you in AAA though. |
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barsred98
116 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2011 : 16:36:24
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Originally posted by GA12
Hawks, I was not going to mention this but since you brought it up it seems for some reason there is teams they like to favor. The bad part is the team that is being allowed to play up in the SNIT Major is no where close to a major team. Which was evident by this past weekends performance in Marietta. Please let us know about your response.
GA 12----I guess you are saying this post was not meant to be downgrading?????????????
Seems to me that being the only AAA team in the Gold Bracket with 4 major teams below us IMO puts us at least fairly close to playing major! But then again, thats just this little ole mom's opinion.....
BTW, IF your son plays on a home plate team that played in Marietta than Congrats on winning the SILVER bracket!
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catch and throw
13 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2011 : 19:21:42
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| Hawks 8, you had the same problem we had.We have played AAA ball last two years and played as major in Snit last year.They would ask us to play up so a tourny would make a couple of times last year and we did.It clearly says 1st paid gets the spot on their website.So regardless of our rankings we should be able to play up if we want to.As long as you're not playing down what's the problem?I don't understand it either! |
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HAWKS8
70 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2011 : 10:00:20
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Well, I am back in a holding pattern. Apparently the other team that was going to play up backed out. Now they are asking more teams to play up. I have not been 100% confirmed I guess. I was told I am playing up, now the other team backed out, wonder where we are playing now. I have seen soap opera's with a better story line than this. If no other team steps up, I have a feeling I will get the "Oh, sorry" email.
Catch and Throw, you are right. If I paid, which nobody could tell me I didn't, in one of the first teams registered, I should have the FIRST AAA spot. I just do not think this TD has it in him to do what is right. I hate to say it but as soon as I get this nightmare off my plate, he will probably not have to worry about us too often. If I did not have 10 players wanting to play in this tournament, I have a feeling I would have made this much easier for him. Although he would have to get one more team in AAA too. |
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mtrebuchon
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Posted - 03/03/2011 : 22:46:59
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I think I’ve replied to this blog once or twice in 8 years and that’s mainly because I don’t have the time. I have read some very constructive criticism over the years and we try to improve annually. What I’ve learned over time is USSSA can only satisfy about 90% of the 3,000+ teams that play with us week in and week out.
I’m compelled to write today on this topic not because I feel I need to defend myself, my directors or USSSA but solely because each of you can read the same exact words as I can and you need the chance to also read the facts. I’m not saying anyone is lying, I’m saying it’s not complete with details.
With the above stated, let me begin by clearing the air of a few misnomers. First, the director that has been pointed out in this thread is Bubba Smith. Bubba is the Director of Travel Baseball Operations for Georgia USSSA Baseball and he is also the owner of Elite Sporting Events, a company that has absolutely no affiliation with the Elite Sports Complex in McDonough. Yes, Bubba’s youngest son does play on one of their teams (not 12U) but that’s the extent of the relationship. In fact, Bubba doesn’t even watch his own son’s games when they play because he doesn’t want anyone accusing him of exactly what several on this blog are doing. That’s sacrifice!
Second, every year someone always brings up and others run with why the Atlanta Super NIT is played in March and how unfair it is to Georgia teams. As soon as anyone can find a municipality that will completely shut down their entire rec league season and allow us to use 75 fields, I’ll move the event to a warmer / better weather month. Until such time we do the absolute best with the circumstances we have to work with. By the way, I’ve shopped the Super NIT around for 3 years and no city / county will touch it (unless we run it in July...that doesn’t work).
Third, when it comes to the Super NIT, Bubba handles the logistics on the ground and I take care of all the entries, schedules, administrative, etc., until we start playing then both of us are on the ground full force. It’s a perfect working relationship that has grown this event beyond anyone’s wildest imagination and has grown the state program from 2,000 teams to 3,000+ in two seasons.
I state the above because I’m the one who decided that I would hold the Major classifications open for the Major teams until the end of February. I’ve done this the last several years because we had a few issues in the past with Major teams wanting to qualify for Disney not being able to get in the Atlanta Super NIT because of AAA teams. Personally, I have no problem with any team playing up (I think it's a great learning experience)...the Super NIT is just a bird of another feather.
Fourth (and finally)...the FACTS! Mill Creek did enter the 12U AAA on February 10, 2011 and on February 22, 2011 via email, did request to be moved to the Major division. A reply email was sent the same day that stated, "You’ll have to wait until March 1st and then only if you’re an even number (Majors must be an even number in teams because of the 3 pool game format they use...odd number of teams doesn’t work)". Now, I don’t see anything in this reply that states Mill Creek was first in line, second in line, or anything close. What was simply stated was they would have to wait until March 1st and then only if they were an even numbered team. Please take note that the above reply clearly states..."they would have to wait until March 1st". This becomes a very important FACT.
Stuck on 21 teams in the 12U Majors I waited and waited and waited without any word, hope or glimpse from any Major team with an interest so I allowed the Gamers Black to enter the Major division. The OH SO IMPORTANT FACT here is the Gamers Black requested to play up in the Major division on November 29, 2010, a full 87 days before the Mill Creek coach ever emailed about playing up. I even had a second team request the same thing on December 18, 2010, a full 66 days before Mill Creek. This team has since decided not to play at all due to several key injuries.
Just because Mill Creek entered the AAA before the Gamers Black or the any other team has absolutely zero, zilch, nada to do with being allowed to play up. I can only presume the Gamers Black were waiting to see which division they would get in before they paid because of the entry fee difference between Major & AAA (makes sense), but I can only guess.
Now I’m not an arbitrator, a lawyer or a judge but I’ve looked at this 49 ways from Sunday and I just can’t see how anyone can justify stating that this is "favoritism"! In fact, let me go on record as saying I don’t have ties to any of the involved teams other than being affiliated with USSSA. It would not benefit me one iota to favor any team...that could only end negatively for myself and USSSA as a whole. It would just be stupid!!!
So for the past two days I’ve been working my tail off to find another team that will play up (without much luck) to help out a team that was at best, third in line to play up and a team who’s coach has completely RIPPED, SHREDDED & SPIT OUT myself, my directors and the Georgia USSSA Baseball program on this blog...yet he wants a favor (or is this favoritism)!
I will now go quietly back to working on the Atlanta Super NIT field assignments and prepare for a weeks’ worth of scheduling nightmares. I guess you’ll all hear from me in another 8 years.
For The Love Of The Game!
Matt T. Trebuchon
USSSA Baseball Vice-President National Events
1029 N. Peachtree Pkwy., Suite 213
Peachtree City, Georgia 30269
Tel: 678-794-8713 X115
Fax: 678-364-8923
Email: mtrebuchon@gausssabaseball.com
Web: www.gausssabaseball.com |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2011 : 00:34:15
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Hey Matt,
Since GA represents USSSA extremely well and as you have stated has made the Atlanta Super NIT one of the largest tournaments in the country can you do us a favor?? I know you aren't the reason we don't have a second Super NIT but could you continue to lobby for one?? Surely you see some of the AAA teams that get into the Elites every year.....A second major team from GA would not only make the Elite 32 an even tougher tournament it would also bring a lot of love for USSSA back to our area. I like TC but I can't stand the pitching rules not being done in 3rds of innings.....I think working to re-establish USSSA around the metro ATL area can only be a good thing for all parties involved. Triple Crown and Nations really don't have any premier world series events IMO, so help get more GA teams to Disney!!! |
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HAWKS8
70 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 15:52:53
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Since Matt wants to throw out FACTS, I am good with that.
We (AAA teams) and others were all told we had to play in the division in which we were registered. I did that. It was NOT till I saw another team, by the way, before the March 1st deadline that was put in to play up. I then started asking why I could not play up since this team was able to. After that, there were a LOT of emails with explanations on why I had to hope another team would step up, but Elite did not. I had signed up and followed the rules of USSSA and then had to argue with Matt for 2 days on the issue.
Matt can position this however he wants, but he and I both know how the e-mail trane went and it is not exactly as you have stated. NOBODY is asking for special treatment, Mill Creek included, we just should have had a shot to play up before anyone since we had signed up first. Especially since we did follow the rules you stated and signed up for our division. You never sent any AAA an e-mail stating that if any of us wanted to play up, before you let a team sign up later and get that spot. Play it how you want, but it is clear to me and apparently a lot of others on this blog that things do not necessarily run as upfront with USSSA as they do in other organizations.
I told Matt on an e-mail, had he put on teh registration page that if you had a desire to play up, please contact the TD. This could have been avoided as all would have known of the possibility and not just a select few which is apparently how he wanted to work it. |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 08:38:54
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Papa doesn't have a dog in this fight and won't comment on something that I know little about but I would take this opportunity to chime in to let USSSA know that the teams in Georgia are tired of getting the short end of the USSSA straw.
I read in on their web page where they were bragging and even seemed to be proud of the way the Georgia teams were supporting the Super NIT event in Atlanta and that the number of teams entering the event is growing leaps and bounds every year but then they turn around and say that Georgia does not need another Super NIT and then they go play one in Florida where there are 4 teams entered in the 12U division. Papa can get 4 teams to enter the Hillbilly Showdown on State Road 7 any weekend he wants to play.
'FOR THE LOVE OF GEORGIA BASEBALL" Could someone involved with USSSA return the love and support and begin to treat the Georgia teams with the same type support that we give them. Could you please go to the executive committee and make the case that Georgia is more than ready for a second Super NIT. Why not move one of the multiple Florida events to South Georgia that could be utilized by both Georgia and Florida. Someone at USSSA must realize that this is not rocket science and that things will get better only when they begin to use some common sense.
Then I would like to say that Bubba Smith has been more than professional with me and that I personally like his style and will say again that if someone will give him the job and the authority that goes with the job that he will make Georgia a USSSA masterpiece. |
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orville
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Posted - 03/08/2011 : 09:50:53
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| AMEN..Preach it Papa |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 10:48:38
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| Matt emailed me this weekend regarding my post on here....He said that a contributing factor to Atlanta having only one Super NIT is over 50% of winners decline the berth to Disney!! Georgia supports USSSA and always has, but maybe our winners need to step it up and go play in Disney every year so we can get a second?? |
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 03/08/2011 : 11:09:47
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Originally posted by Spartan4
Matt emailed me this weekend regarding my post on here....He said that a contributing factor to Atlanta having only one Super NIT is over 50% of winners decline the berth to Disney!! Georgia supports USSSA and always has, but maybe our winners need to step it up and go play in Disney every year so we can get a second??
My question would be "are the winners who decline the invitation FROM Georgia"? |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 03/08/2011 : 11:57:02
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So USSSA can make the entry fee to the Atlanta SNIT include an extra $500. Winner has it applied to non-refundable Disney entry and all others get a 100% refund. Then if the winner declines the bid, he forfeits the $500. Then only teams REALLY interested in attending Disney will enter the SNIT.
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Originally posted by Spartan4
Matt emailed me this weekend regarding my post on here....He said that a contributing factor to Atlanta having only one Super NIT is over 50% of winners decline the berth to Disney!! Georgia supports USSSA and always has, but maybe our winners need to step it up and go play in Disney every year so we can get a second??
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gausssa
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 09:47:38
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Thanks for the kind words papa and "the know" not a bad idea and trust me on this, Matt and I both lobby every year for either a 2nd berth or a 2nd Super Nit and regardless of what is sometimes posted on this web-site we support our Georgia teams and are thankful that they support us and USSSA. I'm a very passionate person and passionate about what I do and will always try my best to do what's right and getting a 2nd berth or Super in my opinion is what's right. I will rest on that and get ready for what is going to be a great Super Nit. Good luck to all....
Bubba Smith
Georgia USSSA Baseball |
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