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moccs
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 Posted - 12/30/2010 : 23:21:31
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| Just noticed usssa released new info today with a few teams moving to major and aaa. I did see a few of the teams which they moved up are no longer playing --or formed other teams. Should be interesting year. |
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BravesFan
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Posted - 12/31/2010 : 10:24:08
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| Is there a link to this info somewhere? |
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moccs
349 Posts |
Posted - 12/31/2010 : 12:59:36
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gausssabaseball
look for team re-classifications. |
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oldschooldad
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11UFAN
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Posted - 12/31/2010 : 13:56:02
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BravesFan,
Look on the gaussabaseball.com site. There is a reclassfication button on the right. Once you get into that page go all the way to the bottom and click on the report.
Looks like there are 20+ Major 11U teams (as classified by USSSA), before any appeals. 8 or so returning and a dozen or so that got reclassed up from AAA. Don't know how many are not around anymore but looks like there will be 20 or so Major teams this year.
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gafan
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Posted - 12/31/2010 : 18:36:58
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| This will be fun... our park has color names among our teams distributed randomly...so history means really nothing :) |
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BravesFan
533 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2011 : 20:31:47
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Interesting changes, really though the changes between AA and AAA has no bearing since most tournaments for those teams are AA/AAA. To me, the big change is with those AAA teams that got moved up to majors and the one team that got moved down to AAA. Some of these teams were going to move up but most were happy AAA teams, will they step up and play with the big boys or not??
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coachtony
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Posted - 01/02/2011 : 22:22:43
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>since most tournaments for those teams are AA/AAA
I think you are mistaken about this BF....in USSSA there is no such thing as a AA/AAA tournament. It is either AA or AAA or OPEN and normally USSSA does not allow TDs to do OPEN tournaments in the Spring...they reserve those tournaments for the Fall when there are not enough teams to make all the classifications. The team that we were with last year was a mid-level AA team and we never played a AAA team in the Spring.
Of course, this is just my understanding...I could be wrong.
--T
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Spartan4
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Posted - 01/03/2011 : 02:35:39
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| Some open tourneys are allowed, but I'm not sure if there is a limit to how many a TD can run or how many a state gets?? I would like to know what the answer is, I think playing 12 open makes sense for some teams. |
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moccs
349 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2011 : 17:54:18
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| Actually there are no open tournaments in the spring except Global for usssa. However it is my understanding this year that the TD can combine two divisions on Saturday and separate them for championship on Sunday.Kind of like the gold and silver brackets in triple crown. Also an 11 major team can only play up to 12 AAA and not 12 AA. |
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tae281
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Posted - 01/03/2011 : 20:03:52
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Originally posted by moccs
Actually there are no open tournaments in the spring except Global for usssa. However it is my understanding this year that the TD can combine two divisions on Saturday and separate them for championship on Sunday.Kind of like the gold and silver brackets in triple crown. Also an 11 major team can only play up to 12 AAA and not 12 AA.
We are hosting an open 11U tournament at east cobb March 24-27 and I know other teams are as well. Ours will more then likely be AA/AAA teams and all teams will advance to the same elimination bracket. |
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moccs
349 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2011 : 16:52:42
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Tae,
Is your tournament usssa? Usually the spring tournaments are not open unless the tournament is classified as AAA and the AA teams play up. If not Usssa the I think the host can do whatever they like. One way to get around this is to just call it a major tournament and let everyone play up. |
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tae281
447 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2011 : 17:41:26
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Originally posted by moccs
Tae,
Is your tournament usssa? Usually the spring tournaments are not open unless the tournament is classified as AAA and the AA teams play up. If not Usssa the I think the host can do whatever they like. One way to get around this is to just call it a major tournament and let everyone play up.
Yes, it's an open USSSA tournament.
http://www.usssa.com/sports/TournamentMoreInfo.asp?TournID=710511 |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2011 : 17:56:12
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| I'm not completely sure but I was under the impression it was a USSSA tourney.....A couple of years ago the first time we played at the 10U level one of the serious downfalls with playing major was open tourneys were hard to find, but they were out there.....Things might have changed, I for one can't really stand USSSA as I think it promotes more teams/classifications and that just makes travel ball even more watered down than it already is. If Elites at Disney was anybody other than USSSA or if other sanctioning bodies offered a national championship like the Elites then I suspect USSSA would go downhill fast. |
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BravesFan
533 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2011 : 09:48:28
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| So, when is USSSA going to make the move for these teams? Getting placed into majors for many of these teams has to be a shock, I'd like to hear from some of them on their thoughts. |
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Cardsfan17
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Posted - 01/05/2011 : 23:36:36
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| I can only answer as a parent of a Macon Cardinals player, but I don't think any of our parents or coaches were shocked by the change from AAA to Major. We knew we were going to be on the bubble when the reclassification was done. My personal opinion, biased as it may be, is that the Cards were a solid AAA team in 10u and would probably have benefited from spending at least the first part of the 2011 season in 11 AAA. Since the powers that be have elected to move them up to Majors, they'll just have to step up and play. I would imagine that they might struggle early on based on the talent they will face but should do fine once they adjust. As a parent, I'm not looking forward to the windshield time attached to playing Majors but I'm happy that my son will get the chance to compete against the best talent in his age group. |
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11UFAN
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Posted - 01/06/2011 : 07:42:59
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I tend to agree with S4. Another big problem with USSSA is that it understandably only uses USSSA tourney results. Some teams play in as (or more) competitive Triple Crown or other good tourney's, especially in GA, and these results are obviously not factored into the USSSA rankings.
With all that being said, they do have a pretty good ranking system. The rankings get more accurate the more games that are played in sanctioned USSSA events. You run into problems when you play too few games, but the rankings are pretty solid for those teams that play more USSSA games.
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2011 : 11:40:42
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Agree 100% 11UFAN, the more games played the larger sample size USSSA has to base decisions and rankings off of....I think some teams dominate early in their respective classifications and are nowhere to be found come May, it happens every year.
Also, Cardsfan your boys will be just fine playing up where they belong. I think what USSSA has done here is actually created a "major" division as opposed to 3-5 teams playing each other every weekend. I understand the concern with windshield time but remember the ECB Braves, Stealth, and Yard Dogs from last year had to travel out of state every other weekend to find more than the same 3-4 teams to play. I for one and glad that this has happened as more major tourneys will be held in more locations. Now with 15-20 teams in each classification major tourneys can be held in middle GA IMO....Just from looking at this forum most of the posters on here think that the top 2-3 AAA teams that dominated AAA tourneys tourneys last year were major all along and apparently USSSA agrees. Less "hand picking" of tourneys will go a long way in determining who the best teams from the state/area are as well. |
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wareagle
324 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2011 : 15:45:26
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My son is 10U but I think this still applies.
Regardless of classification, will the coach's not still avoid the top teams to some degree? I know at the 10U level there will be 4-5 teams that should stand out well above the others. After that, the next 10 or 12 teams should be very competitive with each other.
I think you will see the second tier teams step up and play with the better teams on occasion, but will also still try to enter more tournaments where they have a reasonable chance of winning against equal teams. Alot of these teams may be able to compete in a single game but dont have the depth in pitching to make it through the ship.
All of that said, I think that is OK. but will you still have the top 4-5 teams having trouble finding tournaments except with out of state teams. Just the price to pay for being "elite"? |
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Spartan4
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Posted - 01/06/2011 : 17:26:42
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| But realistically how many major tourneys are there each weekend??? If they wanna play USSSA that particular weekend they will have to show up....I think it is a very good thing for USSSA and the major division as a whole |
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moccs
349 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2011 : 22:24:53
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| I think for the most part USSSA does a pretty good job ranking teams. I dont think that the Cardinals are a top major team but when you play as much as they have and dominate the teams in the lower classes that what happens. In the fall 24-4 against teams this year already and 24-4 last year against teams in AA or less probably hurt their chances of staying in AAA. Let alone the 8 first place finishes in USSSA alone. It just the price you pay for success but they will be just fine in major and will sneak up on a few teams. After the top 5 teams I think they can play 500 or better baseball with the rest. |
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