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ecbpappi
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 Posted - 12/04/2010 : 22:54:33
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TEAM CLASSIFICATION HELP
The descriptions below are guidelines. The ultimate decision on classification is the overall strength and performance of the team on the field measured by a team's Power Rating. As per USSSA Rule 3.04, a team may be reclassified by USSSA at any time.
MAJOR: The top 20% of the teams in the state!
AAA: Top 30%
AA: Middle 30%
A: Bottom 20%
There will be over 100 11U travel teams in GA next season but the percentages are way out of whack compared to whats above. Right now, it's like 70% of teams are AA or lower and majors will only be 10%. Thoughts?? |
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bmoser
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Posted - 12/05/2010 : 10:03:47
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Text below is from the GA USSSA web site. If 70% are now AA, they will move some up into AAA and some down into A. I think they use power rankings.
MAJOR
The Major classification consists of the top 10% of teams in the state; these are the teams that should be pursuing the Elite 32 World Series.
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TRIPLE A
The AAA classification consists of the next 30% of teams in the state and is designed for those teams which cannot attain qualification at the Major level. If USSSA finds AAA teams consistently winning within the AAA class, we reserve the right (Rules Section 3.00) to elevate such teams to Major.
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DOUBLE A
The AA classification consists of the next 30% of teams in the state and is designed for those teams which cannot attain qualification at the AAA level. If USSSA finds AA teams consistently winning within the AA class, we reserve the right (Rules Section 3.00) to elevate such teams to AAA. |
Edited by - bmoser on 12/05/2010 13:53:10 |
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moccs
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Posted - 12/05/2010 : 10:24:42
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| Teams are definitely not classifying correctly. Several continue to sign up for a class below so they can win a lot of games to pad their record and "keep" their team intact. If you have to cherry pick every tournament in a lower division to "keep" your team together then I wouldnt make it very long. There are way too many teams that sandbag in USSSA despite the no sandbag rule.They claim that there are no tournaments in the area but isnt that why it is called travel ball. |
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ONE WAY
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Posted - 12/05/2010 : 17:47:31
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| I hope all the team that talk about how good they are sign up as a major and show it on the field and not try to just talk the talk. If anyone has an idea of the major teams at 11u please let me know. |
Edited by - ONE WAY on 12/05/2010 20:52:40 |
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Grampa Steinbrenner
24 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2010 : 23:40:27
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Originally posted by ONE WAY
I hope all the team that talk about how good they are sign up as a major and show it on the field and not try to just talk the talk. If anyone has an idea of the major teams at 11u please let me know.
2011 11u Major teams(in no particular order)
643 Cougars
Shiloh Titans(finally)
EC Rays
Georgia Grays
EC Braves
EC Stars
Stealth Bombers
Elite Gamers Red
Wills Park
Columbia County Bulldogs
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 07:22:09
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| I'm guessing that USSSA will push the top 5 power ranked teams from 10U AAA last year, up to Majors. I think the bottom 2 Majors from 10U will be pushed down to AAA leaving 7 returning Major teams. Thus, 12 Major teams in all, 7 returning, plus 5 re-classified. Plus, any new teams that voluntarily call themselves Majors. I'd guess they'll be 2 or 3 of those. In 10U, this age group had 143 teams participate, so 15% of that is 21, so according to USSSA's 15% guideline, they could push up a few more than 5. |
Edited by - bmoser on 12/06/2010 08:25:24 |
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ecbinsider
318 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 09:01:58
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Originally posted by bmoser
I'm guessing that USSSA will push the top 5 power ranked teams from 10U AAA last year, up to Majors. I think the bottom 2 Majors from 10U will be pushed down to AAA leaving 7 returning Major teams. Thus, 12 Major teams in all, 7 returning, plus 5 re-classified. Plus, any new teams that voluntarily call themselves Majors. I'd guess they'll be 2 or 3 of those. In 10U, this age group had 143 teams participate, so 15% of that is 21, so according to USSSA's 15% guideline, they could push up a few more than 5.
bmoser,
Here are the top 7 10U AAA teams based on power rankings:
1) Shiloh Titans
2) Signature Park
3) Chattanooga Chiefs
4) EC Titans
5) Midway Mavericks
6) Macon Cardinals
7) EC Yankees
Now, teams #1 has already registered as a major team and #4 will as well. Signature Park is no longer a team and Macon team will not move up. The other teams in the list are solid but imho, they need to stay in AAA.
In reference to last years major teams, the bottom two won't get moved down, everyone knows who they are but it won't happen. I do however, look for them to bounce back this season. So, I see about 11-12 major teams next season.
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BravesFan
533 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 09:37:42
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Originally posted by Grampa Steinbrenner
quote:
Originally posted by ONE WAY
I hope all the team that talk about how good they are sign up as a major and show it on the field and not try to just talk the talk. If anyone has an idea of the major teams at 11u please let me know.
2011 11u Major teams(in no particular order)
643 Cougars
Shiloh Titans(finally)
EC Rays
Georgia Grays
EC Braves
EC Stars
Stealth Bombers
Elite Gamers Red
Wills Park
Columbia County Bulldogs
Grampa Steinbrenner,
I've tried to take the fall off and enjoy basketball season but this board seems to be where the "hot stove" action is. Anyway, I see the EC Rays team making a big push next season and becoming the first EC team to beat the Braves. As one of their parents told me the other day, this team was designed and built to beat the Braves. How do you beat such a team? Strength up the middle, the Rays are the strongest team in the state at the Catcher, SS, 2B and CF positions.
Based on their last tournament dominance, this is only a sample of things to come for opposing teams out there. I mean you don't run rule the Lightning team from SC and the Longhorns without a top notch team led by one of the best in the business. Save this post, at the end of next spring you'll will be saying I was right. |
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 10:53:30
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| ecbinsider: Most of the time, USSSA doesn't even know the teams, they just look at the power rankings. The bottom 2 10U Major teams had power rankings of 445 and 133, so will be pushed down to AAA no matter how good they were/are. These 2 coaches will have to take action to avoid it. They will need to appeal, and if USSSA sticks to their own rules, they will have to play a few games first at their new AAA level, before the appeal will be granted. I'm not saying its right, or that I agree, I'm just saying that's the way it's been done the last few years. Only way to avoid this is to not return 6 or more players from the prior years roster. If 6 or more return, they'll need to go through the appeals process. |
Edited by - bmoser on 12/06/2010 10:57:36 |
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GA Grays
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Posted - 12/06/2010 : 11:18:43
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| bmoser not exactly true. You can always register to play above your rankings. You can't play below. So the bottom two teams do not have to appeal to USSSA if moved down to AAA. They can simply register as a Major team. |
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disneypackage
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Posted - 12/06/2010 : 12:17:52
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Originally posted by Grampa Steinbrenner
quote:
Originally posted by ONE WAY
I hope all the team that talk about how good they are sign up as a major and show it on the field and not try to just talk the talk. If anyone has an idea of the major teams at 11u please let me know.
2011 11u Major teams(in no particular order)
643 Cougars
Shiloh Titans(finally)
EC Rays
Georgia Grays
EC Braves
EC Stars
Stealth Bombers
Elite Gamers Red
Wills Park
Columbia County Bulldogs
Wills Park is a very good team but I would think they stay in AAA next season. |
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 12:37:35
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Why do they bother pushing teams down then if they can just do an end-around?
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Originally posted by GA Grays
bmoser not exactly true. You can always register to play above your rankings. You can't play below. So the bottom two teams do not have to appeal to USSSA if moved down to AAA. They can simply register as a Major team.
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GA Grays
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Posted - 12/06/2010 : 14:00:09
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Originally posted by bmoser
Why do they bother pushing teams down then if they can just do an end-around?
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Originally posted by GA Grays
bmoser not exactly true. You can always register to play above your rankings. You can't play below. So the bottom two teams do not have to appeal to USSSA if moved down to AAA. They can simply register as a Major team.
I think it's just to let the Manager/Coach know that they should probably compete at a lower level to be more successful. Some Manager/Coaches believe a change in 2 or 3 players will drastically change their team, and I guess it could. It's in no way a perfect system but it's meant to catch sand baggers not to punish coaches/managers who want to challenge their team. |
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ecbinsider
318 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 14:22:29
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Originally posted by bmoser
ecbinsider: Most of the time, USSSA doesn't even know the teams, they just look at the power rankings. The bottom 2 10U Major teams had power rankings of 445 and 133, so will be pushed down to AAA no matter how good they were/are. These 2 coaches will have to take action to avoid it. They will need to appeal, and if USSSA sticks to their own rules, they will have to play a few games first at their new AAA level, before the appeal will be granted. I'm not saying its right, or that I agree, I'm just saying that's the way it's been done the last few years. Only way to avoid this is to not return 6 or more players from the prior years roster. If 6 or more return, they'll need to go through the appeals process.
Both of these teams you speak of return more then 6 players from the prior years roster so they are not able to avoid this if usssa does indeed make a change.
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hittindeep
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Posted - 01/04/2011 : 17:54:52
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Bravesfan
Strength up the middle, the Rays are the strongest team in the state at the Catcher, SS, 2B and CF positions.
This is a really STRONG statement!!!! |
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moccs
349 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2011 : 22:15:19
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| I guess we will soon find out. I think there will finally be a little parity in the 11 under division. Rays are definitely strong up the middle but most good teams are ... Strong pitching , hitting and speed is what it will take to win at this level. Starting to get the fever !!! Only wish we could get a few of the Atl teams to travel a little South. |
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PumknHead
81 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2011 : 00:15:57
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| Hey Moccs! How strong is your team gonna be this year? |
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BravesFan
533 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2011 : 08:41:48
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Originally posted by hittindeep
Bravesfan
Strength up the middle, the Rays are the strongest team in the state at the Catcher, SS, 2B and CF positions.
This is a really STRONG statement!!!!
IMHO, as a group I would say yes. That catcher from the braves last season shut down teams from running, he will be missed. Plus you add in one of the yardogs best players in CF and another former braves infielder and now you got something cooking and it ain't liver and onions folks. Smells like a nice pot roast dinner is just about ready and I sure am hungry! Big Dog got to eat. |
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moccs
349 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2011 : 22:37:21
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| Pumknhead __The Moccs expect to be improve this year with a few key pickups and for the first time ever we have 85-90% committed to full time travel. In the past our team was mainly composed of Western and Warner Robins All stars. We had about 6 team practices all of last year.Basically our players practiced on their Little League teams and showed up on the weekend for travel. Not an easy thing to do especially with Warner Robins playing every Saturday.Reducing our roster size from 18 to 12 will also help to compete and provide consistency. We will never be scared to show up anywhere and play regardles if we have to take a beating because we are in in it for the long hall and more concerned about player development than winning at all cost. |
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