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Marinersfan
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 Posted - 09/10/2010 : 21:55:13
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except for those kids that spent half the year playing up in 13U last year...and successfully.
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Originally posted by patent pending
Alter , I agree. And it does go by fast. You 13u guys may be in for a big suprise. Alot different than 12u.
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Hoopsfool
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Posted - 09/13/2010 : 08:48:51
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Gotta say that after watching the USSSA tourney yesterday at Central Park, the Gwinnett Titans team has some talent to be reckoned with. They manhandled the ECB Pride in the final.
Lots to look forward to this year in the 13U division. Sure, the Astros, Roadrunners, and Braves will be near the top again, but don"t count out some of the other talented teams! |
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powerhitter15
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Posted - 09/13/2010 : 10:03:47
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| Hoopsfool. After getting knocked out sun. I stayed around and watched the championship game too. I wouldn't call it Manhandled by no means. Only one bad inning for the pride.. if not for that I think the titans would have bit the dust.I did notice that they only had two maybe three player from last year. Didn't they win five tourneys in a row in the spring. Not nearly as strong as they were last year though. Just as good chearleading as in the spring though. Did see the coach try and sneek in a pitcher that was over his pitch count. They also had a player playing that was not on there roster too. Oh well it's just fallball..RIGHT! |
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knucklecurve
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Posted - 09/14/2010 : 12:32:58
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| The Pride wasn't even an ECB team last season and yes, it is just fall ball, so I would watch tutting your horns before you see your real competition in the spring. |
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LeftyBat
160 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2010 : 16:57:18
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Originally posted by knucklecurve
The Pride wasn't even an ECB team last season and yes, it is just fall ball, so I would watch tutting your horns before you see your real competition in the spring.
Have you looked at their roster? Talk about pedigree's.... https://www.usssa.com/sports/ViewTeamHistory.asp?teamid=1549788&CurrentSeasonOnly=1 That team is stacked with Major players from some of the best teams in the state. Having seen them battle, I can tell you right now, if they are on the other side of a bracket my son's team is playing in, I think he got a good draw...
I don;t need to see real competition this spring to know I have already seen real competition this fall. Till your son's team beats them, I would say that you are out on a limb... |
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seminole tony
147 Posts |
Posted - 09/14/2010 : 17:18:56
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Back on topic guys. Any new fall ball top five predictions? We've seen a glimpse at a couple of teams and still no "Current Top Five"? Major? AAA? AA? All around best teams that have played? Post your list and prepare to defend it. This should change weekly unless the cream rises early.
1. 45's...seen them and they looked strong.
2. Gamers ...know them and expect alot.
3. Chilidogs...won the first one and look good.
4. Pride... no opinion(just reading comments)
5. Hoyas...seen them and they will grow stronger
Thats MAJORS
My top five I'm sure will change daily. Especially after the up coming tournaments in the next couple of weeks. |
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Darnell
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Posted - 09/15/2010 : 09:51:55
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I took LeftyBat's advice and looked at the Pride roster. He is right there are a number of good players on the team but WOW!!! Are they really carrying 17 kids? Does anyone know if they had that many in Cumming this past weekend? |
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LeftyBat
160 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2010 : 16:44:46
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Originally posted by Darnell
I took LeftyBat's advice and looked at the Pride roster. He is right there are a number of good players on the team but WOW!!! Are they really carrying 17 kids? Does anyone know if they had that many in Cumming this past weekend?
They had at least 16 maybe 17, maybe one or two more if you count the boy who just got out of a cast. My son told me that some of the boys saw very limited playing time. I am sure part of this was format related. Only the first place team got a bye in this tourney since their were only 7 teams, saw runs allowed in pool play took on a major significance, likely foiling a coaches plan to get some of the kids who are not starters into the game during pool play games... |
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knucklecurve
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Posted - 09/15/2010 : 16:52:50
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| LeftyBat-We will see how much that roster changes between now and the spring. Several weeks ago the Pride didn't have enough players to make a team and now they have 17. I doubt they will all hang around if thier playing time is limited and it will be w/ 17 players. My point was to Hoopsfool when he said they manhandled the ECB Pride. I still say people should settle down until the rosters are set and the REAL season starts in the spring. Kids are still switching teams daily. I am very confident that my sons team will be able to compete with all of these teams! Glad to see that seminole tony is just predicting for the fall since most teams haven't even started playing or filled their rosters. |
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Darnell
40 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2010 : 22:52:51
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Don't know about you guys but I've always viewed fall ball as a relaxed period of the year when players and coaches can work on fundamentals without the pressure of competing every weekend. Further it's been my experience that most tournaments during this stretch will present a mixed bag of talent and competition, i.e. major teams playing AA teams, as evidenced by the past couple of weekends. Many of the perennial powerhouse programs will either sit the season out completely or maybe scrimmage only.
So with these thoughts in mind, I'm curious to know what the group thinks about an expanded fall roster whereby playing time is limited similar to the situation LeftyBat references above. What’s the right answer....playing time, seeding or both????
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lottapop
257 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2010 : 08:58:37
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| Just relax and have some fun!!!!! These young men could care less about who beat who within 30minutes of playing. Its more about the ego dads than the boys. Have some fun with it and the rest will work its way out! |
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powerhitter15
23 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2010 : 09:03:45
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| I know having 17 on a roster is a lot. I guess in the fall you never know who going to make the team or who might go somewhere else. If you look at the Titans roster last year they had 28 players on there roster. Lots of good players. |
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LeftyBat
160 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2010 : 13:38:22
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Originally posted by lottapop
Just relax and have some fun!!!!! These young men could care less about who beat who within 30minutes of playing. Its more about the ego dads than the boys. Have some fun with it and the rest will work its way out!
maybe your young men.... |
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knucklecurve
171 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2010 : 13:44:53
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| lattopop-It is the ego dads that mess things up!!! It just floors me with some of the stuff they write on this website. :) |
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LeftyBat
160 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2010 : 14:07:11
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Originally posted by powerhitter15
I know having 17 on a roster is a lot. I guess in the fall you never know who going to make the team or who might go somewhere else. If you look at the Titans roster last year they had 28 players on there roster. Lots of good players.
You are right about that. Now if you look at this years roster and compare it to last years roster, you can add about 8-9 more kids who have been Titans since the team formed as a AA team in the beginning of the fall 2009. These coaches have produced results, as evidenced by the fact that they were the number one USSSA AA team in the nation by end of Spring 2010. The players who stay will run through fire for these coaches. Titan baseball is not for everyone. Expectations on the coaches parts are very high and some kids respond and some don't. Not everyone can be a Titan parent either. Titans coaches push players in ways other teams coaches do not. Some parents can't stand to see their son pushed this way, don't have the confidence that their child is mentally tough enough to rise to the occasion. This is all spelled out in advance to any parent and they know that the Titans coaches believe that any kid who leaves will be a better baseball player and have more mental toughness than when they arrived (accept for the ones who only make it through a couple practices or games, they leave with the same attitude and skills they came with) Seen parents yank their kids and say "lets go" when the child was arguing to stay....
Lots of kids on the Titans team with parents traveling 25-60 miles to practice with the Titans. Think that is by accident? Think these parents are ignorant? They see something they think is worth the drive in what goes on at practice and they pass by lots of quality baseball programs to get to a Titans practice. They see coaches who are preparing their kids for the mental rigor of high school baseball. They see coaches who are committed to the idea that their son deserves to play on a team where the coaches will give their son quality baseball instruction at practice AND will not coach to make parents happy, but to win games. These kids who come here by and large have lots of choices with respect to where they play. They want to play on a team that values the time and effort they put in and will coach to WIN the game. Kids learn a lot faster, have a much better attitude on a winning team than they have on a losing team. I am here because I owed it to my son to find an answer to his comment walking off the field "Dad, I'm tired of doing my job and losing" My son is a better young man and a better baseball player in just two months with the Titans.
The second reason for the turnover is that as the kids have success through the system the coaches put in play, the level of team play rises. Not all AA players are capable of progressing at a rate that the team as a whole has moved. This does not make them bad players, just means that they don't get the role they once had when the AA team becomes a AAA team or when the AAA team moves in the direction of a Major team. Coaches, kids and parents all decide to do what is best for their kids. Which is put them in an environment where they can play instead of sit. So they make a mutual decision to leave.
Lastly, the move to the big field between 12 and 13 has a big impact on which kids can have success at a AAA or Major level. So the team you were successful with at 12U is not always the team that can be successful at the 13U level. |
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powerhitter15
23 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2010 : 15:27:10
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| Leftybat, My son plays on a (AA) team. He really likes the coaches, and, that's where he wants to be. Good luck to you and your son. |
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cutoffman
63 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2010 : 15:45:13
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seminole tony
147 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2010 : 16:40:06
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It may be about having fun but it is also preparation for high school and life. Strive to do your best at anything and everything will lay ground work for college and for their working life. We all wish we had parents who might have led us with just a hair more drive. I by all means try to balance hard work with "play time" for the boys. Some families might not be as fortunate to have a child as gifted as some... be it baseball, music, academics etc. but I would never not teach my son to not try as hard because it's only fall ball or a winter concert. Be your best. Sure it's a ego thing for dads but knowing your sons extra practice, lessons, learning from examples is beating the other kids whom would rather play x-box is special. In the spring when the high school tryouts are happening, tell your child it's just for "fun" when he can't make the starting line up. And yes some boys may not care 30 minutes after the game but a lot of the boys know which teams they "own" and which they don't.
Look at the MAJOR teams out their. They don't take the easy way. You don't get good and to their level by not pushing it. This is a turning point in the 13u travel baseball. Big fields, longer bases, further pitching, and bigger kids.
This is where dad egos must push the boys because it is harder.
Touching on the mega roster issue... I don't care how popular a program may be, I'll be d@mn if I'll be on a team with 17 or more players on it. When you reach high school and up should be the only time you have a roster that big. Having a bullpen is the only time back up players are needed. Travel ball at the 13u level should top out at 13-14 kids max. Parents pay and deserve to have their child play at least in half or more games in a tournament.
If you want your child to get better, get lessons, send him to baseball camp, practice with him. You join a team to perfect those fundamentals and apply them. I see way to many parents that want coaches to make "little Johnny" the next Jeter. I aint going to happen. And this is suppose to be TOP 5 predictions.
I GOT TO STOP AND BREATHE NOW.
It's 13u travel baseball, have fun but BEAT THE GUY ACROSS THE FIELD! |
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gasbag
281 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2010 : 20:12:52
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Originally posted by FIRE
1. astros
2. braves
3. roadrunners
4. 45's
5. ?
I think the dad's on the 45's are far superior to the dad's on the braves or astro's....oh, I'm sorry, you wanted to know who the next 13u kids are....and you wanted to know for next season...my bad !!!!
Maybe we should put a parents team together so we don't need to live through our kids and put the pressure on them....any takers ? I know I'll need a pinch runner, that is assuming I am lucky enough to get hit by a pitch and get on base !!!
Let the kids play ball...and have FUN...or not. |
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LeftyBat
160 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2010 : 20:39:22
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Originally posted by seminole tony
It may be about having fun but it is also preparation for high school and life. Strive to do your best at anything and everything will lay ground work for college and for their working life. We all wish we had parents who might have led us with just a hair more drive. I by all means try to balance hard work with "play time" for the boys. Some families might not be as fortunate to have a child as gifted as some... be it baseball, music, academics etc. but I would never not teach my son to not try as hard because it's only fall ball or a winter concert. Be your best. Sure it's a ego thing for dads but knowing your sons extra practice, lessons, learning from examples is beating the other kids whom would rather play x-box is special. In the spring when the high school tryouts are happening, tell your child it's just for "fun" when he can't make the starting line up. And yes some boys may not care 30 minutes after the game but a lot of the boys know which teams they "own" and which they don't.
Look at the MAJOR teams out their. They don't take the easy way. You don't get good and to their level by not pushing it. This is a turning point in the 13u travel baseball. Big fields, longer bases, further pitching, and bigger kids.
This is where dad egos must push the boys because it is harder.
Touching on the mega roster issue... I don't care how popular a program may be, I'll be d@mn if I'll be on a team with 17 or more players on it. When you reach high school and up should be the only time you have a roster that big. Having a bullpen is the only time back up players are needed. Travel ball at the 13u level should top out at 13-14 kids max. Parents pay and deserve to have their child play at least in half or more games in a tournament.
If you want your child to get better, get lessons, send him to baseball camp, practice with him. You join a team to perfect those fundamentals and apply them. I see way to many parents that want coaches to make "little Johnny" the next Jeter. I aint going to happen. And this is suppose to be TOP 5 predictions.
I GOT TO STOP AND BREATHE NOW.
It's 13u travel baseball, have fun but BEAT THE GUY ACROSS THE FIELD!
Tony,
Well said. Think its about the first time I have thought you and I were on the same page.
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LeftyBat
160 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2010 : 20:42:45
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Originally posted by smoke
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Originally posted by LeftyBat
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Originally posted by lottapop
Just relax and have some fun!!!!! These young men could care less about who beat who within 30minutes of playing. Its more about the ego dads than the boys. Have some fun with it and the rest will work its way out!
maybe your young men....
your young men coming down to peachtree city next sunday on the 26th?
We will have to take a rain check. We really want to come, please invite us again, but head coach and and two assistant coaches are both out of town on major trade show type events that weekend. We will play this weekend, take next weekend off, and then play the weekend of the 2nd. |
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Pulpwood
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Posted - 09/16/2010 : 22:14:42
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Here are a few early season predictions;
Top ECB Teams
Astros
Colt 45's
Braves (would have them at 2nd but recent roster defections have hurt)
Titans
Longhorns
Extreme
Top Northside Teams
Astros
Colt 45's
Braves
Roadrunners
Titans
Top Southside Teams
Homeplate
Elite Gamers
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Top Overall
Astros
Colt 45's
Braves
Roadrunners
Homeplate
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LeftyBat
160 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2010 : 22:18:39
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Originally posted by Darnell
Don't know about you guys but I've always viewed fall ball as a relaxed period of the year when players and coaches can work on fundamentals without the pressure of competing every weekend. Further it's been my experience that most tournaments during this stretch will present a mixed bag of talent and competition, i.e. major teams playing AA teams, as evidenced by the past couple of weekends. Many of the perennial powerhouse programs will either sit the season out completely or maybe scrimmage only.
So with these thoughts in mind, I'm curious to know what the group thinks about an expanded fall roster whereby playing time is limited similar to the situation LeftyBat references above. What’s the right answer....playing time, seeding or both????
I agree with the poster who said 13-14 for this age group is best. In our three tourneys this fall we have had between 9 and 12 maybe 13 for a game or two. Have seen 2-3 teams already that brought a football team to the baseball game. (had not had the luxury of every player there for every game...) |
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lottapop
257 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2010 : 22:41:39
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Dang Darnell...look what you started...we all might as well take up that frisbe league now! hahahaha
I just hit the highlights from the above statements, way to much reading for me. Guess everybody has to do what they feel is right for them and their child. I never condone clowning around but a kid can have fun while working hard and owning other teams. Push them hard enough and you want have to worry about high school ball...they'll quit baseball and take up band.
BUBBA LOGGER, haha I Think your predictions are very close!!!!! |
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LeftyBat
160 Posts |
Posted - 09/17/2010 : 09:01:02
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Originally posted by Pulpwood
Here are a few early season predictions;
Top ECB Teams
Astros
Colt 45's
Braves (would have them at 2nd but recent roster defections have hurt)
Titans
Longhorns
Extreme
Top Northside Teams
Astros
Colt 45's
Braves
Roadrunners
Titans
Top Southside Teams
Homeplate
Elite Gamers
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Top Overall
Astros
Colt 45's
Braves
Roadrunners
Homeplate
I think this is the best post on this subject, as early in the year, as I have seen in this post. Only teams you left out that might be sleepers would be Sharon Springs Baseball and Signature Park Hawks.
Of course I am sure there are others that once you play the games, will be obvious... |
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