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FIRE
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 Posted - 08/18/2010 : 14:56:46
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| maybe parents are willing to do it because they think their kid is one of the top 9 who will play regularly when in reality he may be 12th or 13th in the pecking order |
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knucklecurve
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Posted - 08/18/2010 : 15:44:44
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| Still not worth it on the chance that they will be one of the ones dumped if they don't make the fall cut. Don't most parents think their kid is in the top 9 when joining a team? I would never put my kid in that position. |
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FIRE
20 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2010 : 16:40:21
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| i truly believe that playing time is the reward for all the hard work that these kids put in. if the hard work continues without the reward (playing time), then the passion will not last. when other parents see my kid working hard on his game they say to me "well my kid just plays for fun". i then think to myself, its only fun if your good at it, right?......to me, if doing well in the games is the reward for all the hard work they put in, then the hard work becomes worth it and they will continue. i dont care how many reps you get in practice playing for the stud team or how good the coach is, if you dont get playing time, then there is no reward for all the work. how often would any of us continue to do that? |
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noerrors
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Posted - 08/18/2010 : 17:37:46
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| The only people that complain about the Astros is the ones whose kid isn't good enough to play for them when in reality if their kid had a chance to play for them would jump at the opportunity. |
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ecbstix
115 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2010 : 19:42:27
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| It's not over yet! I heard there were more changes! Who knows how this will end up? Heard there was a meeting tonight at ECB and that GB wasn't happy about how this was handled (or mishandled)! |
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doublebogey
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Posted - 08/18/2010 : 21:04:43
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| Knucklecurve: The best question I ever heard a coach ask was to the initial parents meeting. He asked each parent that believed his or her child was NOT one of the best 9 hitters on the team to raise their hands. He then asked them to raise their hands if they believed their child was NOT one of the 9 best fielders on the team. Of course not a single hand was raised. The point is, those parents, whether there are 10 or 18 kids, all believe their child is one of the best 9. Period. The problems begin once the parents figure out the coaches are not playing the best 9. (HA!!) If they knew their kids weren't good enough, they almost always would find another team. Ego and rose colored glasses are the culprits. |
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Marinersfan
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Posted - 08/18/2010 : 21:05:21
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We'll see what kind of damage control comes out of that meeting, Stixx. You can bet something new will claim to be put in place but come spring it will be business as usual.
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Originally posted by ecbstix
It's not over yet! I heard there were more changes! Who knows how this will end up? Heard there was a meeting tonight at ECB and that GB wasn't happy about how this was handled (or mishandled)!
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knucklecurve
171 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2010 : 22:52:26
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| doublebogey-I couldn't agree with you more!!! I am shocked with the rose colored glasses in these parents. noerrors- All I have to say is, a lot of talent did get over looked. We will see how all of this pans out when the fall is over and parents and kids are struggling to find a team. I just hope your kid doesn't fall in that group. Not everyone at ECB wants to be an Astro at this age. |
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ItsjustLLBBall
119 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2010 : 00:10:46
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| Wow....you have all got to be kidding me...This is so obviously just one thing,,,it's all about the money and the control at ec...there is no other explanation. It is very sad what they do to the kids every year with trying out so they can get your tryout fees from you and then recruit the best kids around the country and act like they have never heard of your kid before...Starter of a top 10 team in the country at your age level, then have to try out for a team you should be on and not even make it or the second team for that matter??? Why should a 12-13 year old kid have to go through something like that, to be an astro????????? please people....... |
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dmb350
135 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2010 : 09:28:05
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Just wait until you get to 14U. The Titans carried 22-23 last Fall and cut at least 7 prior to Spring and the ones that made the team (5 came from our 13U team) several saw limited playing time.
The Astros (14U) this season grabbed 8 out of tryouts just from the morning group. They currently have 12 outfielders they are looking at and then once they're done, many of those boys will be looking again. My point is, this type of thing continues to happen as they get older so be ready for it. |
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noerrors
31 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2010 : 14:00:46
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knucklecurve...can't put em all on the roster. Have to pick the BEST ones! |
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bruins1
32 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2010 : 15:00:49
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| ItsJustLLBBall, well put. I think the organization as a whole did those 12 year old kids wrong, not just one or two coaches. As you say, productive members of a top 10 team in the country taken through a two-week charade while teams at other parks fill up, most don't make the team again, which they learn through others that did or by watching the coaches hand out some offers in front of them, and some don't get as much as a call from any one of the numerous teams in their own park. At some point in time your actions define who you are. |
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knucklecurve
171 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2010 : 15:36:03
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| If that is the case, I am not sure ECB will be worth it anymore! We are all crazy spending this kind of money for baseball at such a young age. Everyone says it is so their kid can get a scholarship or make it to the "BIGS". Maybe playing outside of ECB at the travel ball level is the answer. If we take the money we are giving to ECB and put it away for college we may be better off. As they say....if you have talent, they will find you no matter where you play. |
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ItsjustLLBBall
119 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2010 : 08:49:05
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| Bruin...did you just agree with me??????????? hahaha Smokescreens and mirrors..... |
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LeftyBat
160 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2010 : 09:12:09
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Originally posted by knucklecurve
If that is the case, I am not sure ECB will be worth it anymore! We are all crazy spending this kind of money for baseball at such a young age. Everyone says it is so their kid can get a scholarship or make it to the "BIGS". Maybe playing outside of ECB at the travel ball level is the answer. If we take the money we are giving to ECB and put it away for college we may be better off. As they say....if you have talent, they will find you no matter where you play.
Scholarship? What sport are you playing? I was under the understanding that due to the impact of Title 9, very few baseball players get full ride scholarships to play baseball. Roster size and NCCA regs limit the number of scholarships that can be awarded per team and it seems that if you get a 50 percent sholarship you are doing well, as they have to divide them up among the team. This has been given as one of the major reasons that there has been a decline in the number of african american players at the major level. Simply put, the parents of someone with outstanding athletic ability realizes about the time they are a sophomore in high school that they can get a full ride to college by focusing football or basketball or they can focus on baseball and hope for a partial scholarship. I think it has to do with NCCA regs that demand parity for similar sports and the women's softball program drives the implementation of this rule. Ir ead this somewhere and believe it to be true, but if I'm wrong clue me in.... |
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elite
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Posted - 08/20/2010 : 09:30:40
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Originally posted by bruins1
ItsJustLLBBall, well put. I think the organization as a whole did those 12 year old kids wrong, not just one or two coaches. As you say, productive members of a top 10 team in the country taken through a two-week charade while teams at other parks fill up, most don't make the team again, which they learn through others that did or by watching the coaches hand out some offers in front of them, and some don't get as much as a call from any one of the numerous teams in their own park. At some point in time your actions define who you are.
I am finding it remarkable that the staff at ECB allowed this to happen. I do not remember problems of this magnitude in the past. Oh sure, some parents may have been upset that Johnny didn't make a specific team but usually, for the most part, the players were placed on teams particularly players of this level. I think the staff really dropped the ball also with this tryout. I have not heard rumblings like this from the other age groups. GB should be more involved to prevent this from occurring.
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lottapop
257 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2010 : 09:53:19
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| Looks like the weeding out effect has started @ 13u. Atlanta is full of teams...no need to wait on one specific team at 13u. Go find a team with good coaching and do the ECB thing when it matters. |
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LeftyBat
160 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2010 : 10:26:15
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Originally posted by LeftyBat
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Originally posted by knucklecurve
If that is the case, I am not sure ECB will be worth it anymore! We are all crazy spending this kind of money for baseball at such a young age. Everyone says it is so their kid can get a scholarship or make it to the "BIGS". Maybe playing outside of ECB at the travel ball level is the answer. If we take the money we are giving to ECB and put it away for college we may be better off. As they say....if you have talent, they will find you no matter where you play.
Scholarship? What sport are you playing? I was under the understanding that due to the impact of Title 9, very few baseball players get full ride scholarships to play baseball. Roster size and NCCA regs limit the number of scholarships that can be awarded per team and it seems that if you get a 50 percent sholarship you are doing well, as they have to divide them up among the team. This has been given as one of the major reasons that there has been a decline in the number of african american players at the major level. Simply put, the parents of someone with outstanding athletic ability realizes about the time they are a sophomore in high school that they can get a full ride to college by focusing football or basketball or they can focus on baseball and hope for a partial scholarship. I think it has to do with NCCA regs that demand parity for similar sports and the women's softball program drives the implementation of this rule. Ir ead this somewhere and believe it to be true, but if I'm wrong clue me in....
http://www.athleticscholarships.net/baseballscholarships.htm
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knucklecurve
171 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2010 : 12:06:28
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| noerrors-No they can't, but there are some players that got overlooked(that were and were not on the Astros last year)and some that I was shocked were picked. This goes for both Astros A and B team. They picked on size and pitching speed for the A team and the B team was majority Braves, thus making it not a true Astros B team. I did not wish for my child to play on an Astros team, but there were others that did and deserved to, but got passed by. Hopefully they can do something to make it right out there. I still stand by my original post that there should be only 1 Astros team at EBC in ALL age groups! Leftybat-most of these parents do and have been told this is there best shot for a scholarship and the "BIGS". I hear it and see it happen. No, the baseball scholarships aren't great unless you have some sort of specialty, but the scholarships do exist. |
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homerunking
110 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2010 : 12:12:34
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Originally posted by noerrors
knucklecurve...can't put em all on the roster. Have to pick the BEST ones!
Sad part noerrors is that the ASTROS name and the ECB program are at stake....As much out of state talent they have playing there, kids might decide to go play some where else like maybe 6-4-3 or some other place..Its not IF you play anymore just where you play..Many a team can play at ECB and many a coaches have left there and still have the same contacts.. As the old saying goes all good things come to an end..This is the LAND OF OPPORTUNITY... |
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pops
30 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2010 : 15:05:56
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| @knucklecurve. You mentioned that you were shocked at some of the kids that made the Astros. Is there a roster posted anywhere? |
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ECB_Insider
54 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2010 : 09:39:29
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pops,
I believe the Astros (Coward) are still trying to get the number down to 14 or 15. Heard they have around 18 and there may be 3 or so players on the Columbus LLWS team that are to be looked at before the final decisions are made. It's good that the Columbus LLWS team is winning but makes it difficult to try out those kids when they are in Williamsport.
I remember the days when you needed your roster set in Jan, to get ready for the season, not August. Gone are those days.... |
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ecbstix
115 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2010 : 09:54:57
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| Word is that the Columbus kids might play for Tim Hudson's team out of Columbus. I believe Huddy might have sponsered their trip to the LLWS. Don't know this as fact but heard it from a reliable source very close to the situation. |
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lottapop
257 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2010 : 10:32:24
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| The Hudson Stars could certainly use those kids!!!! |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2010 : 10:42:27
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| Last year it was Paul Byrd, this year it might be Tim Hudson (I realize that Tim is not coaching) that pulls players from Tony. Interesting.... |
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