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| Punishers |
Posted - 06/22/2017 : 00:10:01
1. Teams are looking for players first. Not the other way around. Without the players there is no team.
2. Remove the cons who are only in it for a big 1 day payday.
3. Registration Fee?? For What?
4. It's the risk of looking for players. (keyword: LOOKING) |
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| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 07/19/2017 : 09:04:18
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Originally posted by NF1974
CaCO3 girl- If I was the parent of a rising 11th grader that threw 84mph and his dream was to keep on playing, then I would invest in personal pitching coaching and look for a team where he could get reps. Secondly, how are his grades? There are a lot of good Academic D-2 and D-3 teams where your son could not only make the team but contribute. If he wants to play in college then i would make a plan and follow it. With my son, we treated it like a project. We identified schools that he was interested in and also could get into and then we made an actual poster of each and taped it to the wall. He filled in the details and we would mark it up as new information came in. It was fun and it also taught him a little bit about Project Management.Things we put on each poster were items like: Head Coach-/ Location/Practice facility/Returning players-especially at his position/GRE & SAT/GPA requirements/ E mails sent and/or returned/where will the coach(s) be recruiting-clinics-showcases etc..
That is really good advice, however, I was using a fictional example, although it could be reality in another year come to think of it. Thank you! |
| Punishers |
Posted - 07/19/2017 : 08:57:47
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Originally posted by Bombernation
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Originally posted by aj94
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Originally posted by tellit
I just do not expect people to work for free. Nobody cares how good you "think" your kid is. You also could not be more wrong about me, my kid plays for a small park team. I would love for him to play for 643 or the Jackets but his talent is not there, yet!
I got GC stats that proves my son is good, I don't have to lie to kick it like some of y'all do.
Now instead of just talking pull out your checkbook and cut the check and your son can play for any academy team he wants, talent or not.
By that logic, an academy like 6-4-3 would be adding another 8 teams per age group after the 125 families show up for tryouts in each age group prepared to write the check. Oh wait.... they are still sticking to three teams per age group.
Not enough cats in the feline species to name the rest of teams I guess. |
| Punishers |
Posted - 07/19/2017 : 08:53:10
You would think these big academies would have more kids in the 1st and 2nd round of the draft, not the case. Guess they figure if they win at the older ages that would attract younger players. It's a win at all cost thing, cause it's good for business. I know 6 kids who played for private clubs who were 1st rounders and all had full ride scholarship offers. Studs will be found and not have to sell themselves. |
| aj94 |
Posted - 07/18/2017 : 12:46:35
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Originally posted by labaseball2022
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Originally posted by aj94
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Originally posted by tellit
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Originally posted by aj94
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Originally posted by tellit
All the teams on the list above are competitive (excluding the very bottom ECB teams). They are the best of the best and hundreds of people will show up at their tryouts. I can only hope you are trolling on your last sentence.
Best of the best? You must not have followed 10u baseball this season or you are a rep for one them.
10u, LOL. If you are upset now about prices and people making a profit you are in for a rude awakening in a few years.
Wrong, I have an adult son now, paid $1600 for his 18u at the time and they beat your $3,000 "academy" teams that season and they went to Florida to play in the Under Armour Tournament and the fee covered that cost as well.
You can keep coming out of pocket and paying big money (or collecting it you seem to be an "academy" affiliate), my son is good so I won't have to do that.
No offense but you got taken. At 18U, most of the kids on these "elite/academy" teams are playing for free or at a really reduced rate. That is the marketing behind the rest of the teams and how/why the younger ones pay so much.
I did not get taken, I made a type o, I meant to say $1,100 and he went to FL for a week all expenses paid, the team played at cost not to turn a profit.
But yes that is the common "academy" team tactic, find the studs from the local high schools and bring them on to play in Perfect Game and WWBA for free in exchange for claiming the player on their website as one of their MLB draftees or college recruits. |
| aj94 |
Posted - 07/18/2017 : 12:38:54
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
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Originally posted by aj94
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Originally posted by tellit
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Originally posted by aj94
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Originally posted by tellit
All the teams on the list above are competitive (excluding the very bottom ECB teams). They are the best of the best and hundreds of people will show up at their tryouts. I can only hope you are trolling on your last sentence.
Best of the best? You must not have followed 10u baseball this season or you are a rep for one them.
10u, LOL. If you are upset now about prices and people making a profit you are in for a rude awakening in a few years.
Wrong, I have an adult son now, paid $1600 for his 18u at the time and they beat your $3,000 "academy" teams that season and they went to Florida to play in the Under Armour Tournament and the fee covered that cost as well.
You can keep coming out of pocket and paying big money (or collecting it you seem to be an "academy" affiliate), my son is good so I won't have to do that.
Aj94, you must be one of the lucky ones that found a good team with a good coach outside of an academy with contacts. In my experience those are RARE...unless it's a scout team of some sort and they only cater to the top of the top and aren't available to the general population.
So what does a rising 11th grader who is throwing 84mph do? They aren't elite, but they have the potential. Where else can they go to get their training and get with people with contacts other than an academy?
Yes my situation was not perfect this past season but overall it was good especially when putting the cost factor into it. I tend to see a lot of good non academy type teams in closer to the city of ATL and the southside because those parent(s) don't have a few thousand dollars to spend on baseball fees so organizations and coaches do it for the benefit of the kids not to try turn into a profit for themselves.
Most of these high cost Academy team ECB copycats seem to be out in the far northern suburbs where they know people are willing to pay those high fees.
So point being do some research on non academy teams and you will see there are some good alternatives out there at all age groups. |
| Bombernation |
Posted - 07/18/2017 : 12:25:26
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Originally posted by aj94
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Originally posted by tellit
I just do not expect people to work for free. Nobody cares how good you "think" your kid is. You also could not be more wrong about me, my kid plays for a small park team. I would love for him to play for 643 or the Jackets but his talent is not there, yet!
I got GC stats that proves my son is good, I don't have to lie to kick it like some of y'all do.
Now instead of just talking pull out your checkbook and cut the check and your son can play for any academy team he wants, talent or not.
By that logic, an academy like 6-4-3 would be adding another 8 teams per age group after the 125 families show up for tryouts in each age group prepared to write the check. Oh wait.... they are still sticking to three teams per age group. |
| NF1974 |
Posted - 07/18/2017 : 12:20:44
CaCO3 girl- If I was the parent of a rising 11th grader that threw 84mph and his dream was to keep on playing, then I would invest in personal pitching coaching and look for a team where he could get reps. Secondly, how are his grades? There are a lot of good Academic D-2 and D-3 teams where your son could not only make the team but contribute. If he wants to play in college then i would make a plan and follow it. With my son, we treated it like a project. We identified schools that he was interested in and also could get into and then we made an actual poster of each and taped it to the wall. He filled in the details and we would mark it up as new information came in. It was fun and it also taught him a little bit about Project Management.Things we put on each poster were items like: Head Coach-/ Location/Practice facility/Returning players-especially at his position/GRE & SAT/GPA requirements/ E mails sent and/or returned/where will the coach(s) be recruiting-clinics-showcases etc.. |
| Crazyforbball |
Posted - 07/18/2017 : 09:55:46
Bigger is definitely not better. Case in point: if you play at ECB in high school, unless you are on one of those top teams or the academic team, it's unlikely you will have any more access to contacts and training than anyone in any other organization. Nelson on the other hand, small, tons of contacts, excellent training and no staggering annual registration or tryout fees. Their 17U team finished 5th of 392 teams in the PG National Championship. Now THAT is impressive for a ball club with 6 high school age teams. Sometimes less is more. |
| Punishers |
Posted - 07/18/2017 : 09:40:07
There is a difference between not working for free and being greedy. What I see is greed. I see less fees on my cable bill. Getting fee'd to death does not constitute a good team, good coaches, and trainers. You are paying for a name. Even Nike and UA make crappy gear. Bigger does not mean better. Just means bigger price. Go bigley or go home mentality is at play here. |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 07/18/2017 : 08:25:59
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Originally posted by aj94
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Originally posted by tellit
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Originally posted by aj94
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Originally posted by tellit
All the teams on the list above are competitive (excluding the very bottom ECB teams). They are the best of the best and hundreds of people will show up at their tryouts. I can only hope you are trolling on your last sentence.
Best of the best? You must not have followed 10u baseball this season or you are a rep for one them.
10u, LOL. If you are upset now about prices and people making a profit you are in for a rude awakening in a few years.
Wrong, I have an adult son now, paid $1600 for his 18u at the time and they beat your $3,000 "academy" teams that season and they went to Florida to play in the Under Armour Tournament and the fee covered that cost as well.
You can keep coming out of pocket and paying big money (or collecting it you seem to be an "academy" affiliate), my son is good so I won't have to do that.
Aj94, you must be one of the lucky ones that found a good team with a good coach outside of an academy with contacts. In my experience those are RARE...unless it's a scout team of some sort and they only cater to the top of the top and aren't available to the general population.
So what does a rising 11th grader who is throwing 84mph do? They aren't elite, but they have the potential. Where else can they go to get their training and get with people with contacts other than an academy? |
| aj94 |
Posted - 07/18/2017 : 07:59:46
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Originally posted by tellit
I just do not expect people to work for free. Nobody cares how good you "think" your kid is. You also could not be more wrong about me, my kid plays for a small park team. I would love for him to play for 643 or the Jackets but his talent is not there, yet!
I got GC stats that proves my son is good, I don't have to lie to kick it like some of y'all do.
Now instead of just talking pull out your checkbook and cut the check and your son can play for any academy team he wants, talent or not. |
| Bombernation |
Posted - 07/17/2017 : 20:02:16
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Originally posted by aj94
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Originally posted by tellit
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Originally posted by aj94
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Originally posted by tellit
All the teams on the list above are competitive (excluding the very bottom ECB teams). They are the best of the best and hundreds of people will show up at their tryouts. I can only hope you are trolling on your last sentence.
Best of the best? You must not have followed 10u baseball this season or you are a rep for one them.
10u, LOL. If you are upset now about prices and people making a profit you are in for a rude awakening in a few years.
Wrong, I have an adult son now, paid $1600 for his 18u at the time and they beat your $3,000 "academy" teams that season and they went to Florida to play in the Under Armour Tournament and the fee covered that cost as well.
You can keep coming out of pocket and paying big money (or collecting it you seem to be an "academy" affiliate), my son is good so I won't have to do that.
That's a Yeti full of some Academy Balll Hater-Aid right there |
| Bombernation |
Posted - 07/17/2017 : 18:17:00
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Originally posted by aj94
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Originally posted by tellit
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Originally posted by aj94
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Originally posted by tellit
All the teams on the list above are competitive (excluding the very bottom ECB teams). They are the best of the best and hundreds of people will show up at their tryouts. I can only hope you are trolling on your last sentence.
Best of the best? You must not have followed 10u baseball this season or you are a rep for one them.
10u, LOL. If you are upset now about prices and people making a profit you are in for a rude awakening in a few years.
Wrong, I have an adult son now, paid $1600 for his 18u at the time and they beat your $3,000 "academy" teams that season and they went to Florida to play in the Under Armour Tournament and the fee covered that cost as well.
You can keep coming out of pocket and paying big money (or collecting it you seem to be an "academy" affiliate), my son is good so I won't have to do that.
That's a Yeti full of some Academy Balll Hater-Aid right there |
| labaseball2022 |
Posted - 07/17/2017 : 17:53:29
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Originally posted by aj94
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Originally posted by tellit
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Originally posted by aj94
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Originally posted by tellit
All the teams on the list above are competitive (excluding the very bottom ECB teams). They are the best of the best and hundreds of people will show up at their tryouts. I can only hope you are trolling on your last sentence.
Best of the best? You must not have followed 10u baseball this season or you are a rep for one them.
10u, LOL. If you are upset now about prices and people making a profit you are in for a rude awakening in a few years.
Wrong, I have an adult son now, paid $1600 for his 18u at the time and they beat your $3,000 "academy" teams that season and they went to Florida to play in the Under Armour Tournament and the fee covered that cost as well.
You can keep coming out of pocket and paying big money (or collecting it you seem to be an "academy" affiliate), my son is good so I won't have to do that.
No offense but you got taken. At 18U, most of the kids on these "elite/academy" teams are playing for free or at a really reduced rate. That is the marketing behind the rest of the teams and how/why the younger ones pay so much. |
| tellit |
Posted - 07/17/2017 : 15:18:10
I just do not expect people to work for free. Nobody cares how good you "think" your kid is. You also could not be more wrong about me, my kid plays for a small park team. I would love for him to play for 643 or the Jackets but his talent is not there, yet! |
| aj94 |
Posted - 07/17/2017 : 13:35:06
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Originally posted by tellit
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Originally posted by aj94
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Originally posted by tellit
All the teams on the list above are competitive (excluding the very bottom ECB teams). They are the best of the best and hundreds of people will show up at their tryouts. I can only hope you are trolling on your last sentence.
Best of the best? You must not have followed 10u baseball this season or you are a rep for one them.
10u, LOL. If you are upset now about prices and people making a profit you are in for a rude awakening in a few years.
Wrong, I have an adult son now, paid $1600 for his 18u at the time and they beat your $3,000 "academy" teams that season and they went to Florida to play in the Under Armour Tournament and the fee covered that cost as well.
You can keep coming out of pocket and paying big money (or collecting it you seem to be an "academy" affiliate), my son is good so I won't have to do that. |
| tellit |
Posted - 07/14/2017 : 16:03:36
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Originally posted by aj94
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Originally posted by tellit
All the teams on the list above are competitive (excluding the very bottom ECB teams). They are the best of the best and hundreds of people will show up at their tryouts. I can only hope you are trolling on your last sentence.
Best of the best? You must not have followed 10u baseball this season or you are a rep for one them.
10u, LOL. If you are upset now about prices and people making a profit you are in for a rude awakening in a few years. |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 07/14/2017 : 07:48:40
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Originally posted by dgersh22
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
You mean baseball isn't a "for profit business"?
There are 176 baseball business's in GA that are non-profit. Many are schools or little leagues but out of the list give above here are the results:
643 = NON profit
ECB = NON profit
Team Elite = Found no mention
Nelson = Found no mention
GA Jackets = NON profit
Ninth Inning = Found no mention
GA bombers = NON-profit
Also saw MGBA, Sandy Plains, West Cobb, Hobgood, & Cherokee Reds.
This may actually be a good way to determine which teams to try out for.
If you honestly believe that the above non-profits owners do not make a tidy sum in salaries, I have some swamp land to sell you! I don't think I would ever base a decision on playing or trying out for a team based on weather they were for profit or not. Most churches are non-profit, do you base your decision to attend that church because of that? I have seen a lot of preachers with some very nice houses, cars and rags!!
Can't argue with your assessment. However, there are some baseball clubs that have recently popped up with impressive looking resumes on who they have coaching and where they will be practicing that should be avoided because it's a money scam. If a place doesn't have their own field, and they have to rent a field, especially if it is an impressive field, that could easily add an additional $1500 per kid!
I say again, check the better business bureau for the teams that haven't been around for 10+ years and for goodness sake, don't pay to tryout for what could be a AA at best! |
| dgersh22 |
Posted - 07/13/2017 : 19:05:22
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
You mean baseball isn't a "for profit business"?
There are 176 baseball business's in GA that are non-profit. Many are schools or little leagues but out of the list give above here are the results:
643 = NON profit
ECB = NON profit
Team Elite = Found no mention
Nelson = Found no mention
GA Jackets = NON profit
Ninth Inning = Found no mention
GA bombers = NON-profit
Also saw MGBA, Sandy Plains, West Cobb, Hobgood, & Cherokee Reds.
This may actually be a good way to determine which teams to try out for.
If you honestly believe that the above non-profits owners do not make a tidy sum in salaries, I have some swamp land to sell you! I don't think I would ever base a decision on playing or trying out for a team based on weather they were for profit or not. Most churches are non-profit, do you base your decision to attend that church because of that? I have seen a lot of preachers with some very nice houses, cars and rags!! |
| aj94 |
Posted - 07/13/2017 : 14:43:48
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Originally posted by tellit
All the teams on the list above are competitive (excluding the very bottom ECB teams). They are the best of the best and hundreds of people will show up at their tryouts. I can only hope you are trolling on your last sentence.
Best of the best? You must not have followed 10u baseball this season or you are a rep for one them. |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 07/13/2017 : 14:20:16
You mean baseball isn't a "for profit business"?
There are 176 baseball business's in GA that are non-profit. Many are schools or little leagues but out of the list give above here are the results:
643 = NON profit
ECB = NON profit
Team Elite = Found no mention
Nelson = Found no mention
GA Jackets = NON profit
Ninth Inning = Found no mention
GA bombers = NON-profit
Also saw MGBA, Sandy Plains, West Cobb, Hobgood, & Cherokee Reds.
This may actually be a good way to determine which teams to try out for. |
| Punishers |
Posted - 07/13/2017 : 13:33:36
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Originally posted by tellit
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Originally posted by tellit
All the teams on the list above are competitive (excluding the very bottom ECB teams). They are the best of the best and hundreds of people will show up at their tryouts. I can only hope you are trolling on your last sentence.
I was referring to "They are trying to treat it as a for profit business."
Free markets and free minds
I would say they are "well established" programs. The rest are just scavengers, preying on the ignorant or less informed. |
| 15UBaseball |
Posted - 07/13/2017 : 12:54:25
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Originally posted by aj94
If your son is a good player you should never pay for a tryout. Your son is the commodity why are you paying a team for a tryout? They want you to pay to tryout then they want to charge $2,000-$3,000 for the season when most of them will not even be competitive teams out in the tournament circuit.
They are trying to treat it as a for profit business.
I think some of the good ones do run it as a clinic, but the bottom line is they are paying for the coaches being out there holding the tryout. I mean you have to have a tryout why not get paid for it. Back in the day when police officers and parole officers and anyone coached they did it because they liked helping out kids and working with the community or coaching their kid. Now it has turned into a business. |
| tellit |
Posted - 07/13/2017 : 11:27:03
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Originally posted by tellit
All the teams on the list above are competitive (excluding the very bottom ECB teams). They are the best of the best and hundreds of people will show up at their tryouts. I can only hope you are trolling on your last sentence.
I was referring to "They are trying to treat it as a for profit business."
Free markets and free minds |
| tellit |
Posted - 07/13/2017 : 10:48:07
All the teams on the list above are competitive (excluding the very bottom ECB teams). They are the best of the best and hundreds of people will show up at their tryouts. I can only hope you are trolling on your last sentence. |
