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| bmoser |
Posted - 01/24/2010 : 22:02:49
Coaches and parents:
If every player's name on your team is not entered into the USSSA team roster on-line system according to very specific USSSA rules, now is the time to fix it.
USSSA roster rules require that players names match birth certificates first and last names precisely without middle initial and without suffix or prefix, or slang, or shortened names. Read their rules, and make the change if need be.
Failure to do so can cost your team dearly, and your Head Coach can be suspended from USSSA play for 1 year.
Jake instead of Jacob, Bob instead of Robert, Bill instead of William, Mike and not Michael...yep it will cost your team and Coach dearly if you don't fix it NOW.
Please review your on-line roster today, and USSSA's rules, and match the birth certificates to the roster applying those rules.
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| PS Iron Pigs |
Posted - 02/04/2010 : 21:30:40
I'm all for rules that make sense and are enforced, as you can see throughout my other posts in this topic. My last post was an attempt at a joke. :) |
| bturner |
Posted - 02/04/2010 : 17:36:47
What is the problem with this? I for one am glad that USSSA is enforcing this. Every team is REQUIRED to carry all birth certificates with them at all times. This should not be an issue put the correct name on the roster. |
| PS Iron Pigs |
Posted - 02/04/2010 : 13:24:58
Retnal Scanners can cost but a couple million right? Can't the umpires just scan each player as they come up to bat? |
| SMASH |
Posted - 02/04/2010 : 11:19:29
"Birth Certificates with fingerprints on them", whats next, a retnal scan of every player before they take the field? |
| Alter-Ego |
Posted - 02/04/2010 : 09:36:51
PS,
Most sanctioning bodies use MLB rules to fill in the gaps where their rules don't expressly call out a particular situation.
MLB rule 4.0 deals with Starting and Ending a game. 4.0(a) and 4.0(b) deal with the home and visitor managers turning in their lineups to the umpire in chief at the meeting at the plate prior to the game. It does not expressly call out what should be on the card, but the 4.01 comment implies that the number and last name (first initial in the case of duplicate last names) should be included on the line-up. This would include the players in the batting order and the substitutes.
Most of the time, at minimum, I just care about having the players #, substitutes, and who the starting catcher and pitcher is.
But if teams are going to cheat, they can get birth certificates for an illegal player to use.
I wish they would standardize birth certificates and put the fingerprint of the child on the BC when they are born so it could be referenced later if needed. |
| PS Iron Pigs |
Posted - 02/04/2010 : 08:35:12
It's not extremely difficult to ask that a manager, a coach and/or a wife to spell a handful of names correctly and compare them to birth certificates. I read lots of forum topics regarding cheating and when an association takes steps to try and control it, they get grief.
I have another question...........is there anything in a rule book that states what information is to be included on a line-up card that is exchanged before games? If you're not familiar with each player on every team you can't compare a line-up that has only numbers and nicknames. Shouldn't a line-up card be required to reflect the same information that's put on the "official" roster? |
| gausssa |
Posted - 02/03/2010 : 15:20:01
Alter-Ego has it down pat...As he said "it's not complicated, it's just takes some management" and it's over with for the year. Hope/wish everybody looked at it that way. |
| Alter-Ego |
Posted - 02/03/2010 : 09:41:05
bball123,
His current coach can go in and edit the player and change it to Lucas, to match his BC. That is a 2 minute fix. Mention to the coach that "Hey, I noticed that Luke's name on the USSSA roster does not match his Birth Certificate. I had heard that USSSA was really pushing to have that be the same." |
| BBall123 |
Posted - 02/03/2010 : 08:10:37
Thanks guys for the responses, I just checked his name again and noticed that it says un official roster on both teams that his name is on,He has always been Luke on USSSA but his BC says Lucas?He played in one game during the fall with a team as a fill in and is still on their roster, but is on his teams roster. I guess that will change when they are all an official roster ? will that team stay on his history? quote:
Originally posted by fieldsch
Have the coach send an email to the state director and they can fix the problem on playing history. This will not be a problem unless both Luke and Lucas are playing for two different teams in the same year and one team's roster is frozen.
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| Alter-Ego |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 22:51:10
All I know is I just got finished entering our players, over the weekend, to match their birth certificates, so the process is not that complicated. Just requires some management. If you set it up right in the first place, it is good for the rest of the season. |
| 6bomber |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 22:50:55
should i be concerned that my sons name brings up a team from iowa under his history? we've always played with the same team from fla. |
| gausssa |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 20:45:20
Alter: You are correct on everything. Guys NEVER delete a player and start over. That is were the problems begin. |
| whits23 |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 17:24:28
this discussion would be better via email or phone but..you used to be able to use the drop down boxes to add/remove a player but he stayed on your site just not as current. You could then click and add him back to current. You can still re add the player but have to re add all his info.
None of this has to do with a frozen player but sometimes you dont want to have 15 active players when you really only use a couple part time. Makes it harder to recruit, unless your in EC ;} |
| Alter-Ego |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 16:43:56
If the roster is frozen, and you drop a player, you cannot add that same player in the current year. That is what brought about some of the alternate spelling. When a coach wanted to add back a kid they had released but the system would not allow them to. |
| whits23 |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 15:04:22
Wasnt there a time when the remove player button took him off the active roster but then you could add him back later? I think now if you remove a player he goes away altogether from current and you have to add info all over again. |
| Alter-Ego |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 10:37:52
Jaguar,
Unless I am mistaken, and I hope Bubba corrects me if so, all fields except last name and birth date can be changed by the coach. The last name and birth date can be corrected by the state office. Therefore, there should not be any data that cannot be corrected on an existing player. |
| fieldsch |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 10:11:25
Have the coach send an email to the state director and they can fix the problem on playing history. This will not be a problem unless both Luke and Lucas are playing for two different teams in the same year and one team's roster is frozen. |
| bmoser |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 09:54:37
That is exactly what happened to me and my son, so I called USSSA to have the 2 history's combined. I can't see where that could be a problem, but I wasn't taking any chances. I e-mailed USSSA State Director's office and it was fixed in a few days.
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Originally posted by BBall123
My son was originally put in as Luke 4 years ago, this year his new coach put him in just like his birth certificate Lucas and it seems to have deleted his history for the last 4 years ? looks like 2 different players out there. Is this going to become a problem ?
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| BBall123 |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 08:54:30
My son was originally put in as Luke 4 years ago, this year his new coach put him in just like his birth certificate Lucas and it seems to have deleted his history for the last 4 years ? looks like 2 different players out there. Is this going to become a problem ? |
| jaguars18 |
Posted - 02/01/2010 : 22:28:58
As a coach you can not correct certain mistakes and according to directors they can not either. the system does not allow you to completly delete a player and you can not correct spelling or birthdates if put in wrong.
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Originally posted by Alter-Ego
Jaguar,
That is where all the mess starts. When coaches just create a new user instead of doing the right thing and fixing the existing one. If you create a new one, you lose all the roster history. Contrary to popular belief, the kids like to see the history of the teams they played on.
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| Alter-Ego |
Posted - 02/01/2010 : 21:15:37
Jaguar,
That is where all the mess starts. When coaches just create a new user instead of doing the right thing and fixing the existing one. If you create a new one, you lose all the roster history. Contrary to popular belief, the kids like to see the history of the teams they played on. |
| jaguars18 |
Posted - 02/01/2010 : 15:17:54
or just create a new player and make other inactive
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Originally posted by Alter-Ego
ny61,
If it is anything but the last name, your current coach can correct it. He has access to those fields. If the last name is spelled incorrectly, you will need to reach out to USSSA support to correct it.
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| Alter-Ego |
Posted - 02/01/2010 : 09:25:17
ny61,
If it is anything but the last name, your current coach can correct it. He has access to those fields. If the last name is spelled incorrectly, you will need to reach out to USSSA support to correct it. |
| bmoser |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 17:06:44
ny61
When my sons usssa history wasn't accurate, I e-mailed the State Director and they fixed it w/in a few days. Ours was just a prior coach not entering his entire given name, but instead just used his nick name, so not sure if you'd get the same results...worth a try. At the time, I didn't know about all thee rules, but when I found out I jumped on it right away.
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Originally posted by ny61
What if you have went out for several diff. teams and made most of them but picked one to play on never telling the other teams you were going to play with them and you notice your name is listed on 2-3 diff.roster's and isnt spelled correct on any of them but the team you filled out paperwork on ? is that something the coach can handle very easy ? we have called the teams to ask to be removed from there roster and as of yet we havent been ?
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| gausssa |
Posted - 01/28/2010 : 22:16:47
Guys, this topic is being blown up and could go on for days. This will be my final post on this matter as i will repeat what has already been stated. This roster rule is not to penalize people who make honest mistake's. It's to penalize people that are cheating. As i stated before, just be pro-active and police your rosters good before the season starts and you will never have to deal with it.
If you are ever in a game and fill like the team has a illegal player on there roster then protest. If a coach can produce a birth cert and prove the kid is who he says he is and that kid is not frozen to another teams roster under his legal name you will lose your 100.00 dollars. If he can't prove it or the kid is frozen to another teams roster under his legal name, you will win the protest. Directors at all levels and tournaments will use common sence in making that decision and no team will get a cheap win by someone's honest mistake. Teams that are cheating want have "wiggle room or gray areas. Appling and inforcing rules also involves judgement of a director. Coach's that want judgement and common sence thrown out and everything is black and white are looking for cheap wins.
Again,,, if all coach's will clean up/police ther own rosters before they ever play a tournament, you will never have to deal with this nor will no one will ever get a cheap win on you... |
