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| Punishers |
Posted - 05/13/2016 : 10:24:33
Had a good conversation with a parent last night at her sons game. She spoke of this development thing she is starting to hear a lot from coaches and academy's. Keeping in mind that she played college basketball and may have a more competitive mind than most.
She said development comes from training/practice and not from game play. Game play is for showing your development. If coaches are trying to develop during game play, they were not prepared to begin with. Sounds like a sales pitch.
I totally agree with her.
What do you guys think? |
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| Crazyforbball |
Posted - 05/23/2016 : 11:15:31
When it comes to baseball, for us personally, and most people we know, we are referring strictly to developing as a player...not just playing to win but learning how to play better, smarter, with the best training you can find from a proper and safe mechanics perspective. It can mean lots of things depending on your long term goals, but if my son changes teams for "development" from his perspective it is to get something more/something new to move to the next level. |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 05/23/2016 : 07:57:28
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Originally posted by Punishers
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
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Originally posted by Punishers
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Have to disagree with you. For 90%+ of the high school kids the football team, baseball team, track team is just about playing a high school sport. You get to stay out of trouble after school, you get a Varsity letter for your jacket, you get an instant group of friends that are on your schedule, you get your picture in the year book, and you can show your kids...yup, that was my team.
Not everything in sports is about making it to the next level, sometimes it's just about being a kid.
Sounds like a social club. Not a lot of performance happening. You can and will make new friends. If you are a performer, you will leave your friends behind (I know this first hand). Yearbook picture or PG profile? The first time a scout shows interest, that is your first indication of next level prospect. Varsity letters mean nothing at that point. You will have to keep training and performing at a high level to keep that interest. There is a progression path. High school to College, College to Pro.
Granted, travel baseball is a pricey sport and some great players will get priced out of playing due to income limitations. It is literally an investment in your kid. Unless you like to invest for fun and not returns. Personally, I would hate to see my kid caught up in a high school situation like that. Schools have low standards for athletics, no federal money for it. Times have changed. When boosters are involved, it is no longer about the performance, it is a business.
Punishers, you have it in your brain that EVERYTHING is about getting to the next level. I repeat, sometimes it is just about being a kid! Yes, it's like a social club because it IS a social club. It doesn't have to be yearbook picture or PG profile, that is what summer teams are for. HS baseball for 90%+ kids is about a yearbook photo.
For the people who can't afford travel baseball there are other options. I know that PG will offer showcases at a really reduced or free rate if the parents submit the paperwork showing hardship. There are also showcase teams you can tryout for that are low cost or free, if your kid has the talent. There are ways past high school for "the next level".
EVERYTHING is about getting to the next level. Not only in sports but in life.
Next level from high school is college.
Next level from college is job. and so on....
Life is full of levels. It's up to you if you want to advance to the next. I know for a fact that over 90% of the kids playing baseball will stop because of many things. That does not mean that there is not another level for them to advance to in life.
How did we get off topic anyway??? Focus.
The topic at hand is "What is development", the next question is what are you developing for? Baseball development to play at the next level? Learning what a good teammate is so you can be a good teammate in the work force? Developing the skills to push forward while your team may be loosing but be able to keep a positive focus, well gee that could be handy in life too!
There are many ways to develop in baseball, developing enough to play in college is one....developing as a human being is another. |
| nastycurve |
Posted - 05/20/2016 : 14:19:18
Regarding the PG showcases, if you get a group together and do the indiviual you can get a group discount. Some programs/teams also have discount codes.
If you need any help, drop me a line. |
| Punishers |
Posted - 05/20/2016 : 10:54:48
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
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Originally posted by Punishers
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Have to disagree with you. For 90%+ of the high school kids the football team, baseball team, track team is just about playing a high school sport. You get to stay out of trouble after school, you get a Varsity letter for your jacket, you get an instant group of friends that are on your schedule, you get your picture in the year book, and you can show your kids...yup, that was my team.
Not everything in sports is about making it to the next level, sometimes it's just about being a kid.
Sounds like a social club. Not a lot of performance happening. You can and will make new friends. If you are a performer, you will leave your friends behind (I know this first hand). Yearbook picture or PG profile? The first time a scout shows interest, that is your first indication of next level prospect. Varsity letters mean nothing at that point. You will have to keep training and performing at a high level to keep that interest. There is a progression path. High school to College, College to Pro.
Granted, travel baseball is a pricey sport and some great players will get priced out of playing due to income limitations. It is literally an investment in your kid. Unless you like to invest for fun and not returns. Personally, I would hate to see my kid caught up in a high school situation like that. Schools have low standards for athletics, no federal money for it. Times have changed. When boosters are involved, it is no longer about the performance, it is a business.
Punishers, you have it in your brain that EVERYTHING is about getting to the next level. I repeat, sometimes it is just about being a kid! Yes, it's like a social club because it IS a social club. It doesn't have to be yearbook picture or PG profile, that is what summer teams are for. HS baseball for 90%+ kids is about a yearbook photo.
For the people who can't afford travel baseball there are other options. I know that PG will offer showcases at a really reduced or free rate if the parents submit the paperwork showing hardship. There are also showcase teams you can tryout for that are low cost or free, if your kid has the talent. There are ways past high school for "the next level".
EVERYTHING is about getting to the next level. Not only in sports but in life.
Next level from high school is college.
Next level from college is job. and so on....
Life is full of levels. It's up to you if you want to advance to the next. I know for a fact that over 90% of the kids playing baseball will stop because of many things. That does not mean that there is not another level for them to advance to in life.
How did we get off topic anyway??? Focus. |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 05/20/2016 : 08:08:37
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Originally posted by Renegade44
<<< I know that PG will offer showcases at a really reduced or free rate if the parents submit the paperwork showing hardship.>>>
Source? Cause I specifically asked directly and was told they could not.
What they did suggest was some sort of form they could send where I could hit up local businesses and friends to be sponsors. But they still wanted their full $699.
Sent you an email |
| bfriendly |
Posted - 05/20/2016 : 04:34:24
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Originally posted by hshuler
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Originally posted by sebaseball
Following up on CaCO3Girl's thought process about not everybody wanting to go to the next level. I believe she brings up a valid point and this is something that I've had discussions with my 13 yo son several times in the last year or so. With the focus on practicing/playing now so that you get better to play HS/college/pro in the future, I want to make sure that he doesn't miss the point that he should enjoy playing the game because he enjoys the game. I don't want him to miss the fact that it's a process and that while there is a longer term goal (to maximize your potential and play as far as you can and/or want to play), he should be living in the moment and enjoying each time he gets to play the game. Sadly, there will come a day when you can't play it anymore. I'm 45 years old and miss playing every day I climb out of bed.
I'm afraid that we, as parents and coaches, are taking away some of the enjoyment of playing the game now because we are so focused on tommorrow. It's like we're trying to fast forward through the development years to get to the end and reach the goal. I guess I'm trying to say that most (myself included) need to stop and smell the roses more often and simply enjoy the journey. My point to my son was for him to play the game because he enjoys playing it and to find fulfillment in what he's doing now. Not keep is vision so far into the future, over the hill, that he totally misses the here & now. I don't know. Just my 2 cents.
I am not a perfect father by any stretch of the imagination but coaching baseball allowed me an opportunity to see good and bad sports parents. Here's what I have learned:
I will not let sports ruin my relationship with my son.
I will not make my son feel like he has to perform in a sport to earn my love.
I let him know that he needs to play because he wants to and for no other reason.
I will not treat my son like he's a 401K.
And yes, I will enjoy 'now.' Shoot, can't believe he'll be a high schooler in six days.
Its sure flying by ain't it
My son is almost 13, straight A student, Nicest kid you will ever meet..............the one the parents Love to have over at their house.
But he learned a tough lesson the other day about sportsmanship. WOW! He did something totally unexpected that blew my mind.........He understands now and its a life lesson that I dont think he'll forget........we shall see if he needs a reminder.
Not every special moment has to be celebratory. Some may be tough lessons that have long lasting effects.
Enjoying today will create memories that will be there for every tomorrow |
| Renegade44 |
Posted - 05/19/2016 : 23:21:48
<<this is the guy thats usually known your player for 4 years, knows his development path, knows what kind of teammate the guy is, is he crazy, is he on time, work ethics etc.>>
I wouldn't trust our local high school coach to do what is right and not to promote his own nepotism agenda.
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| hshuler |
Posted - 05/19/2016 : 23:11:34
quote:
Originally posted by sebaseball
Following up on CaCO3Girl's thought process about not everybody wanting to go to the next level. I believe she brings up a valid point and this is something that I've had discussions with my 13 yo son several times in the last year or so. With the focus on practicing/playing now so that you get better to play HS/college/pro in the future, I want to make sure that he doesn't miss the point that he should enjoy playing the game because he enjoys the game. I don't want him to miss the fact that it's a process and that while there is a longer term goal (to maximize your potential and play as far as you can and/or want to play), he should be living in the moment and enjoying each time he gets to play the game. Sadly, there will come a day when you can't play it anymore. I'm 45 years old and miss playing every day I climb out of bed.
I'm afraid that we, as parents and coaches, are taking away some of the enjoyment of playing the game now because we are so focused on tommorrow. It's like we're trying to fast forward through the development years to get to the end and reach the goal. I guess I'm trying to say that most (myself included) need to stop and smell the roses more often and simply enjoy the journey. My point to my son was for him to play the game because he enjoys playing it and to find fulfillment in what he's doing now. Not keep is vision so far into the future, over the hill, that he totally misses the here & now. I don't know. Just my 2 cents.
I am not a perfect father by any stretch of the imagination but coaching baseball allowed me an opportunity to see good and bad sports parents. Here's what I have learned:
I will not let sports ruin my relationship with my son.
I will not make my son feel like he has to perform in a sport to earn my love.
I let him know that he needs to play because he wants to and for no other reason.
I will not treat my son like he's a 401K.
And yes, I will enjoy 'now.' Shoot, can't believe he'll be a high schooler in six days. |
| nastycurve |
Posted - 05/19/2016 : 18:59:30
Very true SEB, and well said.
One other thing I'd like to throw out there as we talk about moving to the next level. I spoke with a pro scout and asked him which had the most impact on an organizations decision to draft a player, HS ball or travel? I expected an 80(travel) 20(hs) response, but was surprised when he said 50/50.
He explained that from a travel standpoint, he sees the talent and without the talent he wouldn't be interested in the first place. He has to know that a player can perform against high level talent and see what development potential the player will have as he matures both mentally and physically. The downside is that travel is about pay the money, play the games - coaches usually see their players a few days a week and the larger groups interact less.
He said HS competition is spotty at best, so once the talent is spotted they do a lot of research with the head coach. this is the guy thats usually known your player for 4 years, knows his development path, knows what kind of teammate the guy is, is he crazy, is he on time, work ethics etc. A lot of people discount hs ball because its not travel, it is however valuable to someone looking at investing $$$ on your child whether it be college or pro. |
| Renegade44 |
Posted - 05/19/2016 : 14:17:35
<<< I know that PG will offer showcases at a really reduced or free rate if the parents submit the paperwork showing hardship.>>>
Source? Cause I specifically asked directly and was told they could not.
What they did suggest was some sort of form they could send where I could hit up local businesses and friends to be sponsors. But they still wanted their full $699. |
| lowandoutside |
Posted - 05/19/2016 : 10:55:18
quote:
Originally posted by sebaseball
Following up on CaCO3Girl's thought process about not everybody wanting to go to the next level. I believe she brings up a valid point and this is something that I've had discussions with my 13 yo son several times in the last year or so. With the focus on practicing/playing now so that you get better to play HS/college/pro in the future, I want to make sure that he doesn't miss the point that he should enjoy playing the game because he enjoys the game. I don't want him to miss the fact that it's a process and that while there is a longer term goal (to maximize your potential and play as far as you can and/or want to play), he should be living in the moment and enjoying each time he gets to play the game. Sadly, there will come a day when you can't play it anymore. I'm 45 years old and miss playing every day I climb out of bed.
I'm afraid that we, as parents and coaches, are taking away some of the enjoyment of playing the game now because we are so focused on tommorrow. It's like we're trying to fast forward through the development years to get to the end and reach the goal. I guess I'm trying to say that most (myself included) need to stop and smell the roses more often and simply enjoy the journey. My point to my son was for him to play the game because he enjoys playing it and to find fulfillment in what he's doing now. Not keep is vision so far into the future, over the hill, that he totally misses the here & now. I don't know. Just my 2 cents.
No truer words have been spoken. I did the same thing years ago when my son was much younger. I was too focused on him getting on a better travel team, planning for HS, etc... And then I realized that I needed to stop. I had to enjoy the journey and let him enjoy it too. Whatever happens, happens. While I do encourage him and push him, I'm cognizant of the fact that he is a kid and he should enjoy it. Some kids love baseball and want to train and work at it 24/7 and some love it but put in the bare minimum. And you know what? For every kid who is training 24/7 to get better, there is one doing less than him that will go to the next level when he doesn't. I encourage my son to work hard. To dedicate himself to being a better player, student, and person. I encourage him to give his all at EVERYTHING he does. To not give a half @$$ effort. And, hopefully someday his hard work will pay off. But there are days when he's in his room playing video games and I wish he was out back hitting off the tee. I tell him all the time that Chipper Jones hit over 100 balls a day, every day. But you know what? I'm not going to push him to do it until he wants it. And there is no better feeling than walking in the door and have him tell me "do you have time to throw for a while". That's when I know the bulb is going off. |
| lowandoutside |
Posted - 05/19/2016 : 10:44:03
quote:
Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
quote:
Originally posted by Punishers
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Have to disagree with you. For 90%+ of the high school kids the football team, baseball team, track team is just about playing a high school sport. You get to stay out of trouble after school, you get a Varsity letter for your jacket, you get an instant group of friends that are on your schedule, you get your picture in the year book, and you can show your kids...yup, that was my team.
Not everything in sports is about making it to the next level, sometimes it's just about being a kid.
Sounds like a social club. Not a lot of performance happening. You can and will make new friends. If you are a performer, you will leave your friends behind (I know this first hand). Yearbook picture or PG profile? The first time a scout shows interest, that is your first indication of next level prospect. Varsity letters mean nothing at that point. You will have to keep training and performing at a high level to keep that interest. There is a progression path. High school to College, College to Pro.
Granted, travel baseball is a pricey sport and some great players will get priced out of playing due to income limitations. It is literally an investment in your kid. Unless you like to invest for fun and not returns. Personally, I would hate to see my kid caught up in a high school situation like that. Schools have low standards for athletics, no federal money for it. Times have changed. When boosters are involved, it is no longer about the performance, it is a business.
Punishers, you have it in your brain that EVERYTHING is about getting to the next level. I repeat, sometimes it is just about being a kid! Yes, it's like a social club because it IS a social club. It doesn't have to be yearbook picture or PG profile, that is what summer teams are for. HS baseball for 90%+ kids is about a yearbook photo.
For the people who can't afford travel baseball there are other options. I know that PG will offer showcases at a really reduced or free rate if the parents submit the paperwork showing hardship. There are also showcase teams you can tryout for that are low cost or free, if your kid has the talent. There are ways past high school for "the next level".
100% agree. It is a social club, to an extent,and there is nothing wrong with that. It is about being a kid. Making friends. Having pride in your school. For the KID, it is an opportunity to represent their school. To walk into a store or restaurant wearing your lettermans jacket proudly. To walk the halls of your school and have people look up to you. Like CaCO3Girl said, it doesn't have to all or nothing. I played HS sports, I knew I wasn't going to the next level. Was it because I I didn't train enough? No, I simply didn't have the talent to move on. There has to be a natural ability. I wouldn't trade my days playing sports in HS for anything. And, I know plenty of kids who went to the next level. Some who trained harder than me and some who didn't. In the end, we all had the times of our lives and keep a strong bond to this day, no friendships ended because someone was more talented than someone else. How many of these kids are actually going to go to the next level? Why not enjoy being a KID and enjoy high school for what it is. |
| sebaseball |
Posted - 05/19/2016 : 09:54:30
Following up on CaCO3Girl's thought process about not everybody wanting to go to the next level. I believe she brings up a valid point and this is something that I've had discussions with my 13 yo son several times in the last year or so. With the focus on practicing/playing now so that you get better to play HS/college/pro in the future, I want to make sure that he doesn't miss the point that he should enjoy playing the game because he enjoys the game. I don't want him to miss the fact that it's a process and that while there is a longer term goal (to maximize your potential and play as far as you can and/or want to play), he should be living in the moment and enjoying each time he gets to play the game. Sadly, there will come a day when you can't play it anymore. I'm 45 years old and miss playing every day I climb out of bed.
I'm afraid that we, as parents and coaches, are taking away some of the enjoyment of playing the game now because we are so focused on tommorrow. It's like we're trying to fast forward through the development years to get to the end and reach the goal. I guess I'm trying to say that most (myself included) need to stop and smell the roses more often and simply enjoy the journey. My point to my son was for him to play the game because he enjoys playing it and to find fulfillment in what he's doing now. Not keep is vision so far into the future, over the hill, that he totally misses the here & now. I don't know. Just my 2 cents. |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 05/19/2016 : 08:18:38
quote:
Originally posted by Punishers
quote:
Have to disagree with you. For 90%+ of the high school kids the football team, baseball team, track team is just about playing a high school sport. You get to stay out of trouble after school, you get a Varsity letter for your jacket, you get an instant group of friends that are on your schedule, you get your picture in the year book, and you can show your kids...yup, that was my team.
Not everything in sports is about making it to the next level, sometimes it's just about being a kid.
Sounds like a social club. Not a lot of performance happening. You can and will make new friends. If you are a performer, you will leave your friends behind (I know this first hand). Yearbook picture or PG profile? The first time a scout shows interest, that is your first indication of next level prospect. Varsity letters mean nothing at that point. You will have to keep training and performing at a high level to keep that interest. There is a progression path. High school to College, College to Pro.
Granted, travel baseball is a pricey sport and some great players will get priced out of playing due to income limitations. It is literally an investment in your kid. Unless you like to invest for fun and not returns. Personally, I would hate to see my kid caught up in a high school situation like that. Schools have low standards for athletics, no federal money for it. Times have changed. When boosters are involved, it is no longer about the performance, it is a business.
Punishers, you have it in your brain that EVERYTHING is about getting to the next level. I repeat, sometimes it is just about being a kid! Yes, it's like a social club because it IS a social club. It doesn't have to be yearbook picture or PG profile, that is what summer teams are for. HS baseball for 90%+ kids is about a yearbook photo.
For the people who can't afford travel baseball there are other options. I know that PG will offer showcases at a really reduced or free rate if the parents submit the paperwork showing hardship. There are also showcase teams you can tryout for that are low cost or free, if your kid has the talent. There are ways past high school for "the next level". |
| Renegade44 |
Posted - 05/18/2016 : 13:36:02
Yes thank you. Please don't feel sorry, just play along and let me vent thru sarcastic comedy. Ha.
Anyway, yes you have it 110% correct in your statement:
"It has its issues too of course but imagine if the truly talented players were totally at the mercy of some of these high school scenarios to make it to the next level? How much talent would go unnoticed??? At least in travel if you really have the tools the teams will find you and your hard work (usually! Right team...right coaches assumed) will pay off. No wonder scouts completely bypass high schools. It's too bad really as not all the true ballers can afford high level travel."
1.)You are essentially held hostage (errrr I mean trapped) in high school. Yes there are some options. Maybe you can move to a new address, maybe not. Don't make a move in the right manner, lose a year of eligibility.
2.)Academics? Obviously they should rule over baseball. Academics are top notch. My son thriving in top 20 of class of 700. (Did I mention there is no room for sports nepotism in a very large public school??) Why the heck would/should I take him out with those academics? Not sure I can replicate them at other school options. But the boy has potential, he "could" have a long baseball future if in the right places at right time and right coaching. Did I mention trapped yet?
3.)All right, no problem some summer ball and Legion ball will make it all better...............eeeeeeehhhhh no! Enter same coach, same coach kid, same asskisstants, same booster gang. Let me have my legion release please? Nope, won't do, can't go start on our rival team.
4.)Option 4, Showcase/Travel ball!!! Good thing I don't have that 3rd job yet. Otherwise I wouldn't have time to work extra to pay for it.
So someone please convince me High School ball does not matter one bit anymore to recruiters or scouts. What I will say positive is Thank Goodness for the 2 showcase/travel professional coaches who have stepped up and began the process of unwinding the damage done at high school this year. And done so on a severely reduced price I could afford.
So It could be worse baseball development wise. Without some right people coming to rescue. |
| Punishers |
Posted - 05/18/2016 : 12:21:39
quote:
Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
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Originally posted by Punishers
quote:
Originally posted by Renegade44
<<Age 15-18: You train individually or small group more than anything. Practice becomes the place you show your coach you can play and deserve the spot(travel and HS) and games are where you compete and everything comes together. Games are also used as tryouts for the next level.>>
You train individually or small groups more than anything. "Real" practice (which begins in May) becomes the place you show your showcase/travel coach you can play and deserve the spot. HS is where you put on a uniform and watch the chosen booster crowd and coach's kid pretend to play ball and glam it up on Friday night. HS practice is where you work your tail off (preparing for showcase/tournament season)while the chosen crowd goof off and work at rec ball level drills. Tournament/Showcase games are where you get to compete and show everything comes together. HS games are where you watch the chosen booster crowd and coach kid make a mockery of the entire process.
Wow! I have heard of these type of things going on, but never knew anyone who went thru it. And high school coaches are wondering why some of the best players are sticking with just showcase teams to play at PG events and skipping playing high school baseball all together. It just sucks. Transferring is not as easy as people make it. Unless you go to a private school which is more money. It should be a requirement that a high school coaches kid is not able to play on a team that his dad coaches. Boosters are usually parents who want to see their kid play at the expense of better players. The whole thing stinks.
I am almost at the point that it is time to remove athletics from high schools and make all sports performance based only. I hate politics in sports.
Have to disagree with you. For 90%+ of the high school kids the football team, baseball team, track team is just about playing a high school sport. You get to stay out of trouble after school, you get a Varsity letter for your jacket, you get an instant group of friends that are on your schedule, you get your picture in the year book, and you can show your kids...yup, that was my team.
Not everything in sports is about making it to the next level, sometimes it's just about being a kid.
Sounds like a social club. Not a lot of performance happening. You can and will make new friends. If you are a performer, you will leave your friends behind (I know this first hand). Yearbook picture or PG profile? The first time a scout shows interest, that is your first indication of next level prospect. Varsity letters mean nothing at that point. You will have to keep training and performing at a high level to keep that interest. There is a progression path. High school to College, College to Pro.
Granted, travel baseball is a pricey sport and some great players will get priced out of playing due to income limitations. It is literally an investment in your kid. Unless you like to invest for fun and not returns. Personally, I would hate to see my kid caught up in a high school situation like that. Schools have low standards for athletics, no federal money for it. Times have changed. When boosters are involved, it is no longer about the performance, it is a business. |
| Crazyforbball |
Posted - 05/18/2016 : 11:27:27
Renegade..sorry for your son but hilarious posts. Thank goodness for travel ball, right??? And this illustrates EXACTLY why travel ball has become what it has. It has its issues too of course but imagine if the truly talented players were totally at the mercy of some of these high school scenarios to make it to the next level? How much talent would go unnoticed??? At least in travel if you really have the tools the teams will find you and your hard work (usually! Right team...right coaches assumed) will pay off. No wonder scouts completely bypass high schools. It's too bad really as not all the true ballers can afford high level travel. |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 05/18/2016 : 08:19:42
quote:
Originally posted by Punishers
quote:
Originally posted by Renegade44
<<Age 15-18: You train individually or small group more than anything. Practice becomes the place you show your coach you can play and deserve the spot(travel and HS) and games are where you compete and everything comes together. Games are also used as tryouts for the next level.>>
You train individually or small groups more than anything. "Real" practice (which begins in May) becomes the place you show your showcase/travel coach you can play and deserve the spot. HS is where you put on a uniform and watch the chosen booster crowd and coach's kid pretend to play ball and glam it up on Friday night. HS practice is where you work your tail off (preparing for showcase/tournament season)while the chosen crowd goof off and work at rec ball level drills. Tournament/Showcase games are where you get to compete and show everything comes together. HS games are where you watch the chosen booster crowd and coach kid make a mockery of the entire process.
Wow! I have heard of these type of things going on, but never knew anyone who went thru it. And high school coaches are wondering why some of the best players are sticking with just showcase teams to play at PG events and skipping playing high school baseball all together. It just sucks. Transferring is not as easy as people make it. Unless you go to a private school which is more money. It should be a requirement that a high school coaches kid is not able to play on a team that his dad coaches. Boosters are usually parents who want to see their kid play at the expense of better players. The whole thing stinks.
I am almost at the point that it is time to remove athletics from high schools and make all sports performance based only. I hate politics in sports.
Have to disagree with you. For 90%+ of the high school kids the football team, baseball team, track team is just about playing a high school sport. You get to stay out of trouble after school, you get a Varsity letter for your jacket, you get an instant group of friends that are on your schedule, you get your picture in the year book, and you can show your kids...yup, that was my team.
Not everything in sports is about making it to the next level, sometimes it's just about being a kid. |
| LFconcessions |
Posted - 05/18/2016 : 07:07:08
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Originally posted by Renegade44
You train individually or small groups more than anything. "Real" practice (which begins in May) becomes the place you show your showcase/travel coach you can play and deserve the spot. HS is where you put on a uniform and watch the chosen booster crowd and coach's kid pretend to play ball and glam it up on Friday night. HS practice is where you work your tail off (preparing for showcase/tournament season)while the chosen crowd goof off and work at rec ball level drills. Tournament/Showcase games are where you get to compete and show everything comes together. HS games are where you watch the chosen booster crowd and coach kid make a mockery of the entire process.
I hear ya Renegade. New coach (again) this year at my sons HS, yet many of the same challenges that contributed to the turnover of the last two coaches remain. I remember seeing the job posting from the AD, and one of the qualifications was.... Ability to communicate with dugout club.
We cheer on the team... from a far.
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| Punishers |
Posted - 05/17/2016 : 22:34:53
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Originally posted by Renegade44
<<Age 15-18: You train individually or small group more than anything. Practice becomes the place you show your coach you can play and deserve the spot(travel and HS) and games are where you compete and everything comes together. Games are also used as tryouts for the next level.>>
You train individually or small groups more than anything. "Real" practice (which begins in May) becomes the place you show your showcase/travel coach you can play and deserve the spot. HS is where you put on a uniform and watch the chosen booster crowd and coach's kid pretend to play ball and glam it up on Friday night. HS practice is where you work your tail off (preparing for showcase/tournament season)while the chosen crowd goof off and work at rec ball level drills. Tournament/Showcase games are where you get to compete and show everything comes together. HS games are where you watch the chosen booster crowd and coach kid make a mockery of the entire process.
Wow! I have heard of these type of things going on, but never knew anyone who went thru it. And high school coaches are wondering why some of the best players are sticking with just showcase teams to play at PG events and skipping playing high school baseball all together. It just sucks. Transferring is not as easy as people make it. Unless you go to a private school which is more money. It should be a requirement that a high school coaches kid is not able to play on a team that his dad coaches. Boosters are usually parents who want to see their kid play at the expense of better players. The whole thing stinks.
I am almost at the point that it is time to remove athletics from high schools and make all sports performance based only. I hate politics in sports. |
| sebaseball |
Posted - 05/17/2016 : 18:28:52
quote:
Originally posted by Renegade44
You train individually or small groups more than anything. "Real" practice (which begins in May) becomes the place you show your showcase/travel coach you can play and deserve the spot. HS is where you put on a uniform and watch the chosen booster crowd and coach's kid pretend to play ball and glam it up on Friday night. HS practice is where you work your tail off (preparing for showcase/tournament season)while the chosen crowd goof off and work at rec ball level drills. Tournament/Showcase games are where you get to compete and show everything comes together. HS games are where you watch the chosen booster crowd and coach kid make a mockery of the entire process.
Not all HS programs are that way. If yours is, maybe look to transfer? Why suffer through four years of that? |
| hshuler |
Posted - 05/17/2016 : 16:56:45
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Originally posted by Renegade44
<<Age 15-18: You train individually or small group more than anything. Practice becomes the place you show your coach you can play and deserve the spot(travel and HS) and games are where you compete and everything comes together. Games are also used as tryouts for the next level.>>
You train individually or small groups more than anything. "Real" practice (which begins in May) becomes the place you show your showcase/travel coach you can play and deserve the spot. HS is where you put on a uniform and watch the chosen booster crowd and coach's kid pretend to play ball and glam it up on Friday night. HS practice is where you work your tail off (preparing for showcase/tournament season)while the chosen crowd goof off and work at rec ball level drills. Tournament/Showcase games are where you get to compete and show everything comes together. HS games are where you watch the chosen booster crowd and coach kid make a mockery of the entire process.
Renegade - I really hate it for your kid but you are definitely my favorite poster. LoL |
| Renegade44 |
Posted - 05/17/2016 : 14:49:00
<<Age 15-18: You train individually or small group more than anything. Practice becomes the place you show your coach you can play and deserve the spot(travel and HS) and games are where you compete and everything comes together. Games are also used as tryouts for the next level.>>
You train individually or small groups more than anything. "Real" practice (which begins in May) becomes the place you show your showcase/travel coach you can play and deserve the spot. HS is where you put on a uniform and watch the chosen booster crowd and coach's kid pretend to play ball and glam it up on Friday night. HS practice is where you work your tail off (preparing for showcase/tournament season)while the chosen crowd goof off and work at rec ball level drills. Tournament/Showcase games are where you get to compete and show everything comes together. HS games are where you watch the chosen booster crowd and coach kid make a mockery of the entire process.
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| Punishers |
Posted - 05/17/2016 : 12:27:19
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Originally posted by bsblfan
Yogi Berra said baseball is 90% mental and the other half is physical. While his math might have been off, he was right! The game is played on the field and it's as much mental as physical. You can't get that taking reps in practice; you have to play the game. In my opinion, coaches and programs with this attitude are only looking to carry as many kids as they can get away with, so they can make more money. My advice is to find a competitive team where you will get practice AND playing time. Spend any extra money on private instruction.
Yogi is right. Speaking from experience, it gets to a point where everyone is skilled and athletic, but mentally it's how they can handle the pressure and keep performing. |
| Punishers |
Posted - 05/17/2016 : 12:21:25
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Originally posted by nastycurve
My breakdown of this going through the years(mine is graduating this year):
Age 3-8: lots of team practice with fundamentals, mental/situational approach - games are played to see how the development is going.
Age 9-14: In addition to team practice, you work individually and play a LOT of games. Game experience is key. Big difference between fielding, hitting and pitching in practice vs a real game. Throw in playing games against top tier competition and you continue your development into a ball player. If you cant perform "in game" then you are not an athlete. I can teach my mom proper mechanics, doesn't mean she will hit it out the infield. Got to produce if you want to keep playing.
Age 15-18: You train individually or small group more than anything. Practice becomes the place you show your coach you can play and deserve the spot(travel and HS) and games are where you compete and everything comes together. Games are also used as tryouts for the next level.
When it comes to playing at the next level, no one cares about what you do for your current team, its about what you can do for their team. So keep working and developing until you get to where you want(middle school, HS, college, pros, hall of fame, etc.)
Kudos - nastycurve. It's still a performance based sport. You have to earn it if you want it. |
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