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| loveforthegame25 |
Posted - 06/25/2009 : 11:47:21
ok, Yall (thats southern) Im hearing all this Chatter about dad coaches vs paid coaches. I have my thoughts, im curious to hear what Yall (thats southern) have to say............. |
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| coachdan06 |
Posted - 07/11/2009 : 02:35:36
quote:
Originally posted by jacketsports
my two cents is there are really good dad coaches and really good non dad coaches. there are also awful dad coaches and awful non-dad coaches, so it is a case by case basis. I will say that I have coached youth sports for 25 years and in the first 20 with no kid on the team I had great teams that gave me everything they had and we won 5 state championships with no complaints. In the last 5 years the kids have given me everything they have and we have got better and played good ball but with my kid on the team there have been many complaints. either I have forgot how to coach or maybe just maybe parents are the ones who have the problem with coaches who have kids on the team?!?!? JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT
Jacket you are the not the problem coach .
That coach is the one who knowingly and without shame favors his son and friends cause after all look at all the free time I put in so give me a break willya ?
He coaches not primarily because of enjoyment but to advance his son you might could say to even protect his son cause he probably don't make the team without Dad being coach.
C'mon we all know these Coaches but rare is is the instance when they will admit their motives which causes then more resentment.
I coached nephews so didn't have real blood involved but the temptation to favor them over other players did exist at times.
I wouldn't do it because it wasn't fair to everyone nor would anyone be fooled even them and all there team mates after age 9 or 10.
I didn't claim the right to favor them just because of my free time being volunteered at the field! Coaching is a privilege not a bargaining chip .
Play it total honest and fair in your heart without favor-tisms and what one else may say wont be important.
Best to all
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| loveforthegame25 |
Posted - 07/10/2009 : 22:36:30
23, you just narrowed the field, "reasonable one" counts us out |
| whits23 |
Posted - 07/10/2009 : 14:43:28
i need a paid coach to help with an 13/14 team with practices (pitching-hitting) if anyone knows a reasonable one |
| jay |
Posted - 07/08/2009 : 13:29:12
quote:
Originally posted by jacketsports
my two cents is there .... maybe just maybe parents are the ones who have the problem with coaches who have kids on the team?!?!? JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT
Bingo! Buy that man a diet coke.
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| bballman |
Posted - 07/08/2009 : 12:29:06
My son played 5 years travel with Dad coaches (11, 12 twice, 13 and 14). Generally, there were very few problems with this. Coach (except one year) was generally harder on his son than most others on the team. There were the usual issues that come up with being a travel team, but not alot dealing with Daddy ball. The last 3 years were with the same team and we were happy with the situation.
This year, as a 15 yr. old, we are playing for a non-dad coaching staff. This coach has really focused more on the development of the kids and getting them ready to compete at the varsity level next year. We have played up all year playing either 16 yr. old teams or HS Varsity teams. All kids have had the opportunity to play and improve. Believe it or not, there have still been complaints. Some parents on the team think the coach should be playing more to win. "Why isn't so and so playing?" "Why does he put that kid in?" "If someone isn't performing, they shouldn't be out there." etc... Many of these complaints come from parents of kids who are in the game almost every play. Personally, I get tired of hearing the complaints. This coach has a plan in terms of developing players, learning all the players himself so when we get in a tournament to win he knows what he is dealing with and many other factors. He wants to get all the kids ready to perform at the highest level on their HS teams. But there are still those who are not happy.
My point is, no matter who you get to coach or how good that coach is, there will be those who don't like what is going on for some reason. This coach is highly respected with MANY players who have gone on to play College and Pro ball. Still, parents not all happy. By the way, these coaches are not paid. Team pays for their travel expenses and that is it. They do it because they love working with the kids.
I think families should work hard to find a good coach with a solid track record and trust their judgement. There are a ton of Dad coaches out there who are very good. Without them, no way there would be enough coaches for all our kids to play. Dad, non-Dad, paid, not paid - makes no difference. Find the right coach, go with it and try hard not to be a complainer. |
| jacketsports |
Posted - 07/08/2009 : 11:52:10
my two cents is there are really good dad coaches and really good non dad coaches. there are also awful dad coaches and awful non-dad coaches, so it is a case by case basis. I will say that I have coached youth sports for 25 years and in the first 20 with no kid on the team I had great teams that gave me everything they had and we won 5 state championships with no complaints. In the last 5 years the kids have given me everything they have and we have got better and played good ball but with my kid on the team there have been many complaints. either I have forgot how to coach or maybe just maybe parents are the ones who have the problem with coaches who have kids on the team?!?!? JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT |
| Dr. Old School |
Posted - 07/08/2009 : 06:51:00
I would say that 99% of the people commenting on here have never played for a non-dad coach. While the concept seems good, and in a utopian world there would be no favoritism, in reality there still many times is. They just don't share the same last name.
The important thing is to find a coach that is going to develop players and make them better, whether they have a son on the team or not. Understand how they organize practices, manage games, and how they use ALL their players on the team. |
| oldmanmj |
Posted - 07/07/2009 : 23:59:07
Another example of successful dads coaching is the 12U Shamrocks, I believe that is 4 dads. If you use East Cobb teams as nothing more than an example, I have never seen more team hopping because a Dad doesn't agree with the assessment of a coaching staff's usage of little Johnny, (Dad believes he is he next Cy Young, Derek Jeter,etc.), but can't get the time because he really can't compete. So he breaks off, makes a new team and gathers the other upset dads that dropped off the other EC teams and now you have 30 teams. Even the paid coaches struggle year in and year out with players and families. So who is to blame, DAD's, Paid Coaches or Mommy & Daddy. |
| loveforthegame25 |
Posted - 07/07/2009 : 20:08:16
Bombers from last year, the dads list grows and grows |
| loveforthegame25 |
Posted - 07/07/2009 : 20:05:00
EC Astros 12U, EC Yankees 12U, some pretty good 12 U dad teams |
| loveforthegame25 |
Posted - 07/07/2009 : 20:01:23
Hey Mama, sorry so late, was at Panama City watching my boy playin the game he loves. My thoughts are pretty simple. There are good teams with dad coaches there are not so good teams with dad coaches. There are good teams with Non Dad coaches, there are not so good teams with non dad coaches. The non dad paid coaches have favorites, thats a normal thing, they are treated like thier sons in some cases. If a dad coach is playing his kid in a position he is not the best on the team, hitting his kid 1,2,3 when he really should be hitting 10, thats a problem too. One thing i disagree with is when i hear "my son has to play for a non dad paid coach" that is not the only way to play this game. There are plenty of dad coaches around that do a great job. I named a few, in a post a couple minutes ago, want to add the EC Longhorns and Powder Springs to the list. This area is a hot bed for baseball, how many non dad teams were there at the 13 U age in 2009?????? If it was such a good idea there would be a ton of them with the talent in our area. Hows that mama? |
| loveforthegame25 |
Posted - 07/07/2009 : 19:38:25
Vipers, Stallions, Pro Spot, Bulldog, Combat, Team Gwinnett to name a few more |
| AllStar |
Posted - 07/07/2009 : 11:49:10
quote:
Originally posted by Big Stick
I like the paid coach concept. It is their job and they put more into it.
A) "It is their job and they put more into it."
That's not a given. Not everyone puts maximum effort into their jobs.
B) The paid coaches that I'm familiar with, it's just a side job, not even close to their primary source of income. It would be prohibitive to pay them enough for it to be their primary job.
C) Do you like the concept of a total of 5 or 6 area travel teams in each age group? Because that is what you would be looking at if you eliminated all "Dad" coaches.
I like the concept as well, but am curious as we look to next year how the mechanics/logistics will work. It sounds like it's easier
said than done.
Do you think a paid coach would put more effort in/have more success than the 13U Paulding County Vipers, to name one example? |
| Big Stick |
Posted - 07/07/2009 : 10:27:04
I like the paid coach concept. It is their job and they put more into it. |
| Dr. Old School |
Posted - 07/07/2009 : 10:14:03
Was coach dan trying to say that teams with a Dad Coach, who have players that have no where else to go, and return to the team year after year, typically have a losing record?
I had a hard time deciphering the coded message.
If that is what he is saying, there might be truth to it, but I don't think he implied that ALL teams that fit that criteria have losing records. Just a lot. The key to the statement is "have no where else to go" which is hard to do around here because there are tons of places to go play. There might be areas, such as way outside of the Atlanta metro area that this applies to. If so, I don't think it has ANYTHING to do with the coaching, just the area the team can draw players from.
PCV, all your players could go somewhere else to play, so you don't apply to this statement. |
| PCV |
Posted - 07/06/2009 : 07:01:41
quote:
Originally posted by coachdan06
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We have learned over the years that the DAD COACH teams who stay together with a majority year over year are losing record teams whose players really have no where else to go .
I disagree.... |
| mammabee |
Posted - 07/05/2009 : 15:54:03
Heya game25 !
you herd all our thoughts said you have your own, so tell us yours!
quote:
Originally posted by loveforthegame25
ok, Yall (thats southern) Im hearing all this Chatter about dad coaches vs paid coaches. I have my thoughts, im curious to hear what Yall (thats southern) have to say.............
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| highcheese |
Posted - 07/03/2009 : 00:59:58
Do not muddy the waters with too many paid coaches. If you look back on the teams with dads you had five coaches that were Dads assuring their kid a spot and playing time. Ever try to teach a kid something with five different opinions and agendas coming at him. Can't do it. Kid gets confused and stagnant. Really, look back and be honest with yourself. If you go the paid route get a headcoach that will run the team properly and put out a message that the players can latch onto and progress with. You need a leader with kids and not coaching/leading by committee. Let the paid coach tell you how many other coaches he needs to run a team properly. If he knows what he is doing the number is not going to be higher than 2. We all know that the book/scorekeeping etc can be helped out by team volunteers and the team adults can step in and help with some of the little stuff when needed. Leave the message and direction to the head coach. i still think coaching is one of the toughest things to do right out there. make sure you get a coach with the fire and passion for the kids and the game and just not one in it for the money. There ain't enough money at this level to totally "buy" leadership. Hey, take a kid to the park this week and have a blast! |
| AllStar |
Posted - 07/02/2009 : 10:14:42
quote:
Originally posted by 3sondad
quote:
Originally posted by AllStar
Gotta say, that's never happened on any of my son's teams. I'm sure his coaches could/would have been happy for the help vs the other 9 or 10 families letting them do it all.
If we are looking for a team with a paid coaching staff I have two logistical questions.
How big will the coaching staff be? 2? 3? 4?
What kind of budget can I expect for their salaries and expenses? $5,000? More?
We were part of of a non-dad team this year and the total bill was about $400 more than we usually pay ... with the exception of the Cooperstown years. I am sure there are some that cost more.
Call me crazy, but I will take (pay for) 2 volunteer coaches over 5 Dad coaches any day of the week. 
Nothing crazy about that.
So the team only had two coaches? If the team had 12 players, that is about $4800. That seems reasonable, but running a team with 2 coaches would be a challenge I would think unless they didn't have any other responsibilities. |
| 3sondad |
Posted - 07/01/2009 : 14:50:53
quote:
Originally posted by AllStar
Gotta say, that's never happened on any of my son's teams. I'm sure his coaches could/would have been happy for the help vs the other 9 or 10 families letting them do it all.
If we are looking for a team with a paid coaching staff I have two logistical questions.
How big will the coaching staff be? 2? 3? 4?
What kind of budget can I expect for their salaries and expenses? $5,000? More?
We were part of of a non-dad team this year and the total bill was about $400 more than we usually pay ... with the exception of the Cooperstown years. I am sure there are some that cost more.
Call me crazy, but I will take (pay for) 2 volunteer coaches over 5 Dad coaches any day of the week. |
| AllStar |
Posted - 07/01/2009 : 08:47:49
quote:
Originally posted by teddy41
One thing i have seen that is even worse is that people who are good coaches volunteer (free) to help out teams where dad's are coaching and are shunned as the dad's dont want anyone to take their spot on the team or show the kids that pop's aint all that great of a coach
Gotta say, that's never happened on any of my son's teams. I'm sure his coaches could/would have been happy for the help vs the other 9 or 10 families letting them do it all.
If we are looking for a team with a paid coaching staff I have two logistical questions.
How big will the coaching staff be? 2? 3? 4?
What kind of budget can I expect for their salaries and expenses? $5,000? More? |
| teddy41 |
Posted - 06/30/2009 : 10:04:30
quote:
Originally posted by teddy41
One thing i have seen that is even worse is that people who are good coaches volunteer (free) to help out teams where dad's are coaching and are shunned as the dad's dont want anyone to take their spot on the team or show the kids that pop's aint all that great of a coach
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| teddy41 |
Posted - 06/29/2009 : 10:13:34
One thing i have seen that is even worse is that people who are good coaches volunteer (free) to help out teams where dad's are coaching and are shunned as the dad's dont want anyone to take their spot on the team or show the kids that pop's aint all that great of a coach |
| coachdan06 |
Posted - 06/28/2009 : 11:23:37
quote:
Originally posted by oldmanmj
Sadly, most dad coaches become coaches because they believe little Stevie should be lead off and play SS on the A team. But the reality of it is at the Elite level, he may only be the 10th best player on the team. So off they go to form another, under-instructed, poorly coached team of dads only interested in their own childs progress. I started as a volunteer dad with no children playing my first 10 years of coaching. Now I am finishing with my last one. There are a lot of promises, a lot of exagerating of ones coaching abilities, and un-informed, un-realistic parents.
My recommendation: Go to a few parks to watch some tournaments. Watch the coaches, watch the players, watch a few games. Go to some tryouts during the fall, spend a few dollars on a couple of batting lessons and maybe pitching lessons and then compare what you see the other young men do to your son. If you honestly think that he can compete, if you think you can teach 10 or 11 other boys the same things and help them improve, each one, not just yours, you are in a very small percentage of men. I have not seen anyone happily pay a non-dad coach and keep the team together (over 70% of the players) for the next season. I have seen a very small percentage of Dad Coaches keep over 80% of their teams players together. It is the sad reality of travel ball, and now recreation ball.
We have learned over the years that the DAD COACH teams who stay together with a majority year over year are losing record teams whose players really have no where else to go . |
| oldmanmj |
Posted - 06/27/2009 : 21:40:57
Sadly, most dad coaches become coaches because they believe little Stevie should be lead off and play SS on the A team. But the reality of it is at the Elite level, he may only be the 10th best player on the team. So off they go to form another, under-instructed, poorly coached team of dads only interested in their own childs progress. I started as a volunteer dad with no children playing my first 10 years of coaching. Now I am finishing with my last one. There are a lot of promises, a lot of exagerating of ones coaching abilities, and un-informed, un-realistic parents.
My recommendation: Go to a few parks to watch some tournaments. Watch the coaches, watch the players, watch a few games. Go to some tryouts during the fall, spend a few dollars on a couple of batting lessons and maybe pitching lessons and then compare what you see the other young men do to your son. If you honestly think that he can compete, if you think you can teach 10 or 11 other boys the same things and help them improve, each one, not just yours, you are in a very small percentage of men. I have not seen anyone happily pay a non-dad coach and keep the team together (over 70% of the players) for the next season. I have seen a very small percentage of Dad Coaches keep over 80% of their teams players together. It is the sad reality of travel ball, and now recreation ball. |
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