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| LittleDawg |
Posted - 01/22/2015 : 09:09:44
Heard an interesting statement last night at tryouts.
The HS where my son goes (East Cobb) has roughly 65 kids (22 Sr /Jr & ~40 Fresh / Sophs, trying out for the Varsity and JV teams. No Freshman team. Coach will likely carry 22 per team.
Meaning roughly 20 kids don't make it. Another HS in the area, literally 3 miles away, which is typically a powerhouse has a total of 30 kids trying out for both V / JV.
I don't know if it cycles like this every few years but I found it very interesting and a little sad as my son, a good player on a Major team will likely not make the cut due to sheer numbers. (That and the fact, he's not a pitcher)
On one hand, it's great to see the turnout and the level of talent at School 1 is very impressive. They will be very competitive but it will be tough on the boys who wont make the cut, many of the Freshman play for Major 14 and 15U teams but likely won't make the HS team.
School 2 where many of these same Major players have buddies on their travel team will basically take whoever is interested in order to field a team and save arms.
Dreading 1st cut day on Saturday. Not because it's the end, he still has travel ball and loves the game. However, even though we, as adults, know the level of competition in travel ball is higher than the HS teams, there is still a great sense of pride and accomplishment that comes from making the squad. |
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| aj94 |
Posted - 07/02/2015 : 07:24:06
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Be sure you understand the rules when transferring schools without changing your home address. Your son will need to apply for a hardship waiver or sit out a year. Be sure you are changing schools for the right reason.
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2 separate enitities,no GHSA "waivers" needed to play in GISA. |
| abtigers |
Posted - 07/01/2015 : 13:20:52
My understanding is if you transfer from GHSA to GISA there is no requirement to sit out a year. You can play immediately. |
| abtigers |
Posted - 03/25/2015 : 23:44:09
Absolutely, your choice of school has to be for all the right reasons. It's not all about baseball. That is just one piece in the equation. But, if you can get great academics and a chance over two or three years to help build a program that is focused on success and punching above its weight class, it might just turn out to be a great opportunity - for the right guys. |
| DecaturDad |
Posted - 03/25/2015 : 22:08:44
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Originally posted by abtigers
I can refer you guys to admissions but there are some tuition assistance/equalization programs available for some students. Always worth a try. Our college acceptance levels are off the charts. We have placed a student at one of the service academies almost every year. We compete in GISA right now but are shooting for GHSA in the very near future. It is a priority for us.
Be sure you understand the rules when transferring schools without changing your home address. Your son will need to apply for a hardship waiver or sit out a year. Be sure you are changing schools for the right reason.
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| abtigers |
Posted - 03/25/2015 : 21:09:46
I can refer you guys to admissions but there are some tuition assistance/equalization programs available for some students. Always worth a try. Our college acceptance levels are off the charts. We have placed a student at one of the service academies almost every year. We compete in GISA right now but are shooting for GHSA in the very near future. It is a priority for us. |
| turntwo |
Posted - 03/25/2015 : 17:21:15
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Originally posted by rippit
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Originally posted by abtigers
If your son is at one of those talent glut schools and wants a chance to play our private school is always looking for good players.
Tuition free?
I believe that may be best answered with... "Scholarships Available".  |
| BaseballMom6 |
Posted - 03/25/2015 : 15:40:20
Does it play in the GHSA league, and must they be a student there? My son is in the exact situation you describe. |
| rippit |
Posted - 03/25/2015 : 13:11:08
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Originally posted by abtigers
If your son is at one of those talent glut schools and wants a chance to play our private school is always looking for good players.
Tuition free? |
| abtigers |
Posted - 03/25/2015 : 10:57:19
Sandy Springs. |
| BaseballMom6 |
Posted - 03/25/2015 : 09:39:31
abtigers where is your school located? |
| abtigers |
Posted - 03/25/2015 : 07:39:01
If your son is at one of those talent glut schools and wants a chance to play our private school is always looking for good players. |
| bmoser |
Posted - 02/21/2015 : 20:42:10
Just be glad your son is still playing baseball, and encourage him to be the best he can be, and if he enjoys it...stick with it. A good travel player in Georgia, is a scholarship player in many small colleges in Northern States. |
| whits23 |
Posted - 02/21/2015 : 12:17:14
Nothing else to do today with freezing temps so i will weigh in..GOOD HS coaches let the booster club deal with money most all parents will pay so keeping kids at GOOD schools is based on ability.
Some are run like colleges where there is not loyalty to returning or older players. Do you want a 2nd string SR or a 2nd string sophomore?
If you are not a starter by your JR year not a lot of value. Some coaches want speed and do not want a slow kid in the order.
Many will try to keep lefty, rightly PH and RP available.
What parents do not understand at times is when a starter is hurt quite often a kid is brought up from JV who has been getting REPS to start and not he back up. Coaches often keep 1 and 3 on varsity and 2 on JV to get reps. So if your son is on JV and you think he is better than some guys on varsity the coach may think so as well.
Another generic,blanket statement is if you are DIV 1 talent you will know by soph year as contact in some way will be made. DIV 2 by JR year. IF your a SR and no contact chances are DIV3. Before you argue with this i can even argue with it myself as its just a rule of thumb. Yes kids blossom at 17 and some at 15.
Another thing is being older IE held back sometimes hurts and helps. Yes your the best player at times so you get more looks but pro scouts especially may think the younger they get you the more time you have to grow in their system. A 19/20 yr old SR at graduation could have been in college 2 years or pro ball 2 years and not facing HS pitching |
| brball |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 20:35:42
@ ohand2, hate to hear that about your son. Praying for his speedy recovery! |
| rippit |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 20:15:42
If you can hit, for real, they will keep you. Are you in shape? Do you have decent grades? Are you a good kid in school? |
| bballman |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 17:00:35
I think what people to need to realize here is that parent's participation in the booster club or donating time or money is only part of the equation that a coach has to take into account. Maybe the coach sees something in the kids he picks at the bottom of the heap that others don't see. When I hear or read people saying that so and so was better than the kid who made the team, that is their opinion. And that's all it is - an opinion. Maybe the coach has a different opinion. Part of that opinion might be a families participation. Part of it might be that he sees that kid being a bigger contributor in the long run. Part of it might be that one kid can hit better than another - even though the kid who got cut is a better fielder - or visa versa.
Part of it is that coaches are building a team, not just for this year, but for the next four years. In other words, the coach may have things come down to two kids. One is a first baseman and the other is a centerfielder. If the coach has 2 very good sophomore 1st basemen and a junior first baseman - and he only has one legitimate centerfielder and he is a senior, even though the 1st baseman may be marginally better than the centerfielder, the coach is probably going to keep the centerfielder and cut the 1st baseman because he has more need for the centerfielder. Many might say it's politics because the first baseman was obviously better, but there may be more that goes into it than that. It's just the reality of the situation.
The same thing will happen with college recruiting. There my be schools some of your kids are interested in going to - and they are good enough to play there. But if the school is already stacked in your son's position, he's not going to get recruited to go there. He will need to find a team that needs his particular position. The difference is in HS you get cut - looking at colleges, you just don't get recruited.
Whatever the case may be, the only thing you can tell your son is to work hard to get better and give it a shot again next year. And people talk about a kid's career coming to an end. Don't forget that if one marginal kid makes the team, the other's career might be coming to an end as well. And there are families and other parents who will think it unfair that their kid did not make the team. Politics is not acceptable. But most of the time there are other factors that come into play that can more easily be explained away by just saying it's politics. That's the easy way out. Work hard and get better. Kids that wind up starting on varsity are not usually cut because of politics. |
| hshuler |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 16:48:08
ITK/TT - Good points! I am just trying to get an understanding because sometimes parents don't see what everyone else sees. I hear parents complain about coaches all the time when really the kid is not as good as the parent thinks. Is it considered politics or daddyball if I choose not to take a kid at 12U because of crazy parents? If it comes down to the 24th & 25th kid on a high school roster, basically you're splitting hairs, right? So is it wrong to choose the family that can help the program most?
It's a polarizing topic that will be debated well into the future. I certainly don't have the answers but I think every situation is unique. |
| turntwo |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 15:11:05
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Originally posted by hshuler
Regarding politics, does it really matter if the last two kids make the squad because their parents are boosters? Do the bottom two kids get playing time? Or are kids playing that shouldn't be playing because the parents are boosters?
It certainly does, in my opinion. This thread has come 'full circle', from high school tryouts, to 'daddy-ball', to 'politics-ball', to college, etc.
Why is it that "daddy-ball" is frowned up so much at earlier ages, but "politics" is so acceptable? To me, they are one in the same only on a different scale. I've already witnessed in our community, too many MUCH more talented kids, more deserving (due to the time/effort they put in) ball players (albeit not STUDS) get passed over because their mom and dad have to work full-time (or even two) jobs and cannot be as involved (re: time or financially) as others.
I know the argument is 'if they were SO much better the coach would be forced to take them'... That simply isn't true. Freshman/JV teams aren't as scrutinized for winning as varsity. At least around here. |
| in_the_know |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 15:04:53
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Originally posted by hshuler
Ohand2 - Best wishes on your son's full and speedy recovery.
Regarding politics, does it really matter if the last two kids make the squad because their parents are boosters? Do the bottom two kids get playing time? Or are kids playing that shouldn't be playing because the parents are boosters?
It does to those four kids. Everyone's career ends at some point. For some, it ends at HS, for others, college, and for others, at some point in pro ball. For those bubble kids in HS, it's the difference in ending their baseball career or not (not trying to spark a debate that a kid not making his HS team can't go on to play college. We know it happens, but we're going with the general percentages here). If it boils down to filling the last two roster spots between four kids, things like parent participation will certainly come in to play. If it were me making the decision, and all other things are equal, would certainly favor the kid and/or family who are able to enrich the program.
Also, one point preston made is that he isn't willing to help the booster club UNTIL his kid makes the team. Pretty shallow attitude in my opinion. I buy girl scout cookies even though I don't eat them and don't even have a daughter. I buy boy scout popcorn even though it's about the worst tasting popcorn you can buy. I gave a kid $10 for jump for life the other day. I have sent checks to lacrosse teams, football teams, etc., etc. even though my boys play neither. I help support the kids and programs that I care about in life. I supported many HS booster clubs of the school my sons attend(ed) because it helps everyone. It takes a lot of resources and I don't only contribute to those programs that directly benefit me or my son. Because my sons all play baseball, I know how expensive it is to maintain a good facility and program and that the numbers game (just varsity and JV parents being tapped) will certainly miss the mark. I will continue to provide some sort of financial resources to the school programs long after my boys are gone. I get that not everyone has extra money to share (and I don't have much myself), but you can give of your time and talents, and to sit back and knowingly hold back those resources until your kid makes the team, when everyone can benefit from it, seems pretty selfish to me.
If we wonder where kids get their entitlement mentality, maybe it starts with a look in the mirror. I would hope that this opinion is in he minority of most in this community |
| rippit |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 12:59:20
Politics: yes I think it helps in 9th and 10th grade. After that, there are only so many spots on Varsity and in our experience seniors take precedent.
PS: our coach knew who played summer/fall ball. He knew who put the effort in with trainers etc. I thought we would draw the short straw if politics played a part. They didn't. He made the team. Exhale!! |
| rippit |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 12:55:04
Ohand2: I am so so so sorry to hear this! Hurts my heart. |
| hshuler |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 12:52:45
Ohand2 - Best wishes on your son's full and speedy recovery.
Regarding politics, does it really matter if the last two kids make the squad because their parents are boosters? Do the bottom two kids get playing time? Or are kids playing that shouldn't be playing because the parents are boosters? |
| BREAMKING |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 12:38:27
Buford looked good last night. They look like a team that can make a run at a championship. Man it was cold last night. |
| prestont |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 12:30:39
turntwo - your spot on. Not talking about our son, just observations knowing talented kids in our age group.
Best of luck to your son ohand2 - surgeries today are very different than when I was a youngster. Kids today come back much quicker, and often stronger too. Our thoughts will be with your son for a successful recovery. Now my knees can predict rain better than Chesley McNeil and the Wizometer on 11Alive |
| turntwo |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 11:48:10
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Originally posted by bballman
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Originally posted by prestont
2. Politics, Politics, Politics! Our son knows he has to 'earn his way', and we did not go out of our way to buddy-up to the coaches or get involved with LOTS of dugout club items ($) UNTIL he earned his way on the team. Politics definitely do factor in.
Curious how you see politics factoring in here. Sounds like you did NOT do anything to influence the coaches decision on your son, yet he still made the team. Your story sounds like a case for there being no politics involved, only the hard work of your son both prior to entering HS and working hard in the preseason workouts.
Just guessing here, but I'd say he witnessed a kid or two (or more) that made the team that wasn't as capable (re: good) as others, but parents being HIGHLY involved help the kiddo get the nod. |
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