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Posted - 08/18/2011 : 10:39:39
Just curious about the team from Georgia that is representing the Southeast this year. Is that team a group of kids from 1 area, around the state, or a couple of travel teams put together? What kids should we watch as leaders on the team? I'm pretty sure tonight is the first round game of Southeast vs. Southwest at 8pm on ESPN and espn3.com. |
| 25 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| itsbaseballtime |
Posted - 08/27/2011 : 02:24:10
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Originally posted by T13
Little League is a neighborhood allstar team and has to be evaluated on its rules....also, I can't say the parks are too small in little league because we've played in plenty of places where tournament directors had us on fields that were too small......
T13, I think you need to actually go watch a Major Elite Travel team play. I am not with the bandits but have watched them and played against them over the last 2 years. They would beat these LL teams in run rule games 90+% of the time. No doubt, no questions...different level of talent from top to bottom, different understanding of the game(how many cuts have you seen that were cuts and more importantly went to the right spot), and of course pitching....Their top 5 pitchers could compete with many 13u Major Travel teams. I did not say win---I said compete..
Good luck Bandits!!!!! |
| AllStar |
Posted - 08/25/2011 : 18:33:42
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Originally posted by oldmanmj
...including the kid from Columbus a couple of years ago...
He was on the 17U EC Braves. Aren't they the #1 ECB 17U team? |
| T13 |
Posted - 08/25/2011 : 12:07:34
Little League is a neighborhood allstar team and has to be evaluated on its rules....also, I can't say the parks are too small in little league because we've played in plenty of places where tournament directors had us on fields that were too small...... |
| Spartan4 |
Posted - 08/25/2011 : 10:56:02
These "atmosphere" comments are the same reason every 10U and 12U team goes to Cooperstown...It certainly isn't for the competition...I don't think anyone on here disagrees that the LL atmosphere is awesome, but the competition and field dimensions and rules are a joke...They are playing on the same fields we played 9U on and are twice the size!!
Go to this link select a team and watch some individual player videos and tell me what you think, watch the outfielders specifically....They are throwing the ball from RF to catcher and not one kid really has a laser throw into home, a bunch of lolli-pop throws and balls that bounce at the mound....The talent just isn't there...Wanna see the best 10-11-12U baseball around, find a TC tourney or goto EC for a weekend, you won't hear many cowbells or see tv cameras but you will see kids actually playing baseball, LL rules make the game look like girls softball with the tiny fields and no lead offs. |
| oldmanmj |
Posted - 08/25/2011 : 09:28:40
T13, sorry to have to say you are flat wrong on that statement. I have coached against multiple LLWS teams in CA, CO and GA. Had Elite Travel teams, played their rules so they could get better and also see if they could compete. Neither game was competitive, run ruled them every time. We played with 12 kids, sub rules, no lead off etc. We wore out their pitchers, their hardest thrower was 74 mph at 46 ft. 3 of mine were 84 mph at 46 ft and 81-82 at 50ft. In one game we hit, 5 consecutive homeruns, each one over 250 ft. Depth is the biggest difference, my 12 were better than any of their players, including the kid from Columbus a couple of years ago and the kid from WR this year.
It is still fun to watch and see kids have an absolutely unforgettable experience and that means more than right now than who is better than who. The energy is awesome. |
| baseballpapa |
Posted - 08/25/2011 : 09:15:58
My Bandits wouldn't struggle hitting from 36' so you do have that part wrong and evidently have not watched the Bandits play. I do agree that the LL game is exciting but do you do not think that it might be the TV exposure and not the level of play. There are outfielders and infielders that I have seen not make a routine play, once I could say bad hop but I am seen multiple routine plays booted by the LL. |
| Gwinnett |
Posted - 08/25/2011 : 08:51:45
The Bandits would truly TOY with these teams. Not even a comparison!!! SORRY, the Bandits wouldn't struggle????? THEY WOULD DOMINATE!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by T13
Little league is much more exciting......kind of like going to a Yankees/red six game vs, a braves marlin game ......the atmosphere of little league world series will never be topped.......and the bandits would struggle hitting from 46!....its a different game
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| T13 |
Posted - 08/25/2011 : 00:06:39
Little league is much more exciting......kind of like going to a Yankees/red six game vs, a braves marlin game ......the atmosphere of little league world series will never be topped.......and the bandits would struggle hitting from 46!....its a different game |
| baseballpapa |
Posted - 08/24/2011 : 19:24:52
If the Braves announcers got up off their rumps and quit talking so much and do some looking and watch a few travel ball games they would be talking about travel baseball instead of LL. If the same announcers watched MBA vs. Bandits, Canes vs. Dirtbags, or Team Florida vs. San Diego Stars or even a game or two at East Cobb they would never go back to LL. The difference and it's a huge difference is that LL has the National TV package that nobody else has. I think LL is a much inferior brand of team (due to roster restrictions) but I watch every game because it is on TV and easy to watch and I would rather watch the kids play over a major league game. |
| AllStar |
Posted - 08/22/2011 : 20:46:06
Say what you want, the Braves announcers were just talking about the kid from WR. I've never heard them talk about a 12 year-old travel ball player.
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| 21BS21 |
Posted - 08/21/2011 : 14:34:29
IMO, if they allowed the boys to lead off in LL it would slow the game way down. We have all been at games with a pitcher being more interested in the runners than throwing the ball to the plate. With throw after throw to 1st base, people would be changing to another channel. I know I would.
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| Cardsfan17 |
Posted - 08/21/2011 : 08:23:43
I don't have the player numbers in front of me, but my guess is that you're talking about a player injured way back in district (broken bone in his hand) and hasnt touched the field since. He's a great kid and Im glad he still got to go to the LLWS but can't imagine the medical staff clearing him to play. They have had a couple of freak injuries so far but with 14 players they won't have a problem fielding a team. |
| dogatbat |
Posted - 08/21/2011 : 06:18:43
After watching the SE Regionals and the LL WS so far, I am confused as to why #25 does not ever enter the game for Ga. I thought all players played at least 3 outs and 1 at bat. Am I missing something? |
| Cardsfan17 |
Posted - 08/21/2011 : 00:05:24
It's always fun to read the debates about LL vs travel ball. In fairness, my kid plays both so I'm not taking sides. The simple fact is the rules are so different that they shouldn't be compared. To answer some of the questions from above...the team from WRALL all live within the local area. Several of them play travel ball for local teams but there arent many base kids on the team that Im aware of. Robins AFB is here and those kids are welcome to play at WRALL, but they have their own league on base so most don't play with us. A lot of military bases are moving to little league type play so that the kids can play all stars...much like Saudi did a while back. It's a little late to answer the question about which kids to watch since they have already played 2 games on tv, but Fromm and Arnett will both stand out on the mound and at the plate. |
| in_the_know |
Posted - 08/20/2011 : 22:42:22
Actually they moved the fences from 205 to 225 in 2006.
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Originally posted by With-a-stick
This year is the first year with the 225 ft field. When there was no widely available alternative for youth baseball ( when I was growing up there was one team in town and it was LL ) it drew the best talent together. In the past 10 years at least it's split off to be somewhat of a side show. Now the best talent stays away because of the restrictive rules and its deviation from purer forms of baseball. I don't think it does any favors to the players with keeping them on the small field for so long, forcing the no lead off etc... It's what cheese food is to real cheese. And only slightly interesting to watch if you haven't a clue what 12 year olds are capable of when allowed to really play on a field suited to their size and ability.
I also say good, it's on TV. I watch it and cheer GA teams when they're on. But then I also like watching HS and College over MLB play. Something about unpredictable performance makes it more interesting. Some might argue the MLB is fun to watch for the same reason! Good amateur competition is just more fun for me to watch.
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| With-a-stick |
Posted - 08/20/2011 : 22:25:20
If you have MLB Network switch over to the Cal Ripkin World Series Sunday and watch the 12u game, a different game to watch! The contrast is startling from one to the other. CRWS is Babe Ruth league play and rules. I would agree, hitting a big 12u pitcher from 46 would be scary. Worse would be pitching to some of these boys from 46.... without a screen I am not facing our 12u's.
MLB Network - -
2:00 p.m. Ripken World Series World Championship The Cal Ripken World Series is the culminating tournament of the Babe Ruth League's 12U Cal Ripken Division. The World Championship from Ripken Academy in Aberdeen, Md. |
| AllStar |
Posted - 08/20/2011 : 22:17:13
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Originally posted by T13
41,000 people at a little league world series game, you wont see that at any travel game.....
...some of you are too busy rushing your child to the pros...let them enjoy the game....
well said
the only thing my son doesn't like is the no lead off rule
he also said given the choice, he would take Cooperstown over LLWS.
Your last sentence is dead on the $$. |
| T13 |
Posted - 08/20/2011 : 21:12:24
Little league is tougher on the hitter because of the distance and bats....Travel is tougher on pitcher because 4 feet makes a big difference in reaction time for lower part of order able to get bat on ball...... |
| teddy41 |
Posted - 08/20/2011 : 20:18:20
little league or travel rules its all the same
its all the same?? really?? so rules or dimensions dont matter?
why do they ever change them then |
| baserunner |
Posted - 08/20/2011 : 20:10:21
Heck, most MLB teams would be happy to get 41,000 in the stands on any given night. |
| T13 |
Posted - 08/20/2011 : 17:43:44
41,000 people at a little league world series game, you wont see that at any travel game.....little league or travel rules its all the same, most of the good players adjust as they mature.....some of you are too busy rushing your child to the pros...let them enjoy the game.... |
| With-a-stick |
Posted - 08/20/2011 : 10:11:12
This year is the first year with the 225 ft field. When there was no widely available alternative for youth baseball ( when I was growing up there was one team in town and it was LL ) it drew the best talent together. In the past 10 years at least it's split off to be somewhat of a side show. Now the best talent stays away because of the restrictive rules and its deviation from purer forms of baseball. I don't think it does any favors to the players with keeping them on the small field for so long, forcing the no lead off etc... It's what cheese food is to real cheese. And only slightly interesting to watch if you haven't a clue what 12 year olds are capable of when allowed to really play on a field suited to their size and ability.
I also say good, it's on TV. I watch it and cheer GA teams when they're on. But then I also like watching HS and College over MLB play. Something about unpredictable performance makes it more interesting. Some might argue the MLB is fun to watch for the same reason! Good amateur competition is just more fun for me to watch. |
| Mookie |
Posted - 08/19/2011 : 23:53:15
60' bases are actually used at 8U. 9U and 10U use 65' bases.
In summary, LL uses 10U pitching mound and 8U bases which makes for a relatively small sandbox.
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Originally posted by in_the_know
Not quite. Fences are 225 (200 at Cooperstown).
Major dimension differences between travel 12u and LL are distance from mound to plate (46 ft) which is the same distance as 10u travel ball and distance between bases (60 ft) which is also same as 10u travel.
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| in_the_know |
Posted - 08/19/2011 : 19:35:25
Not quite. Fences are 225 (200 at Cooperstown).
Major dimension differences between travel 12u and LL are distance from mound to plate (46 ft) which is the same distance as 10u travel ball and distance between bases (60 ft) which is also same as 10u travel.
Add in the "no leadoffs" and it is quite ridiculous for kids that age.
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Originally posted by AllStar
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Originally posted by teddy41
watching 12yr olds playing a sandbox size field is ridiculous at best
Same fence distance as Cooperstown, right?
No lead offs. Smaller field dimensions. Do not like.
Putting 12 year-old baseball tournament on national TV is ridiculous to start with.
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| AllStar |
Posted - 08/19/2011 : 17:48:28
quote:
Originally posted by teddy41
watching 12yr olds playing a sandbox size field is ridiculous at best
Same fence distance as Cooperstown, right?
No lead offs. Smaller field dimensions. Do not like.
Putting 12 year-old baseball tournament on national TV is ridiculous to start with. |
