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| TAZ980002 |
Posted - 09/24/2010 : 07:41:05
Here's a question that might be interesting for some of you to talk about:
Which has the greater potential of causing your kid harm - throwing a curve ball or playing youth football?
Interested to hear your thoughts and experiences. |
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| reallycoach |
Posted - 05/31/2011 : 16:33:08
Football hands down. Nothing like the feeling of blood and guts knock the crap out of someone football. Don't get me wrong I love baseball. Love to watch, love to play and loved to coach, but for me nothing rivals a flat out phyical butt woopin to get the blood flowin |
| HITANDRUN |
Posted - 05/31/2011 : 13:57:21
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Originally posted by gasbag
I played football as a youth, into high school and into college....I now have to stretch everyday...just to get out of bed. List of football injuries over the years: dislocated fingers, broken fingers, separated shouler, temporarily paralyzed ( I'm one of the lucky ones ! ) for two weeks from severe concussion, tore ligaments in my neck, broken back and never had knee surgery but at 52, my cartlidge is shot in both knees. I absolutely loved playing the game but it is not a question of "if" you'll get hurt playing football but rather when. They have ruined the game by adding all of the equipment advances. Take the equipment away, and maybe I'd consider my son playing the game. As it is, no way will he hit the gridiron....
Besides....chicks dig the long ball !!!!
Chicks dig the long ball. That sounds cool but lets be honest chicks dig football players not baseball players. Go watch a game of both and tell me where the chicks are. I agree with you though the chances of injury in football way higher. What if your dad had said no football to you? How would you have handled that? If you could go back would you play or not play, you have to pick one or the other? |
| reallycoach |
Posted - 05/31/2011 : 07:27:29
Nastycurve, I've coached both sport for over 20 years. I've seen both sides of this.
While you have seen a" level of success" so I have. I've seen totaly inexperainced athletic has hell running backs who will not play football becasue they can't remeber the snap count, the direction of the false step or even which holes the ball is going to. I've also had linemen that couldn't keep up with a shifting defense. I have also had kids with zero experiance step up to the plate and slap one out of the park.
The reality is the average athletic player needs repitiion in both sports, the rare athelete wil adjust and do well no matter where they are.
Hitting a baseball consistently is one of the hardest things in sports, learning to carry a foolball one of the easiest, learing to carry a football the corret way, not so easy. |
| stanlewis |
Posted - 05/30/2011 : 15:18:10
Here is an article about a football player that my son graduated with from high school. Not exactly on-topic but we always found it encouraging to those that start late.
http://clemsontigers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/100900aab.html
Home schooled until he was a Senior in high school, started at Clemson. Obviously not the norm, but it can be done.
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As a child, he loved the sports of basketball, swimming, volleyball and wrestling. He was on the Georgia state wrestling championship team his senior year of high school. He did attend one recreation league football practice, when he was 12. McDermott returned home unsatisfied and wanted to continue with the other sports he really felt comfortable with.
Only when he thought about his future did he consider playing football again. While doing full-time construction work in Georgia, McDermott decided he wanted to try to earn a football scholarship in order to receive a college education. After getting his home school credits approved the Georgia High School Association cleared him to play in only seven games. He was forced to play defensive end because he did not have enough time to learn the assignments needed to play offensive line.
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| nastycurve |
Posted - 05/29/2011 : 14:10:53
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Originally posted by C. MORTON
One thing I can say not all baseball players can play football but most football players can play baseball...
Really? I think its just the opposite. If you give me an athletic willing kid I can put him in pads and get some level of success out of him on a football field, even if hes never played before. You can give me that same kid and put him on the baseball field and the results will be much different. Baseball is a game that doesnt discriminate based on size, speed or overall athleticsm, but moreso on dedication, discipline and repetition.
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| reallycoach |
Posted - 05/27/2011 : 15:09:54
Wow, amazing how the generalizations fly around here.
There will always be cases of athletes in all sports walking onto a field and doing well and in some cases excelling with no previous experience. Those people are just rare.
There are many late comers to football who will never start at any position because they just can't handle the number of things they have to get right to be successful, even though they are very athletic. I also believe the hardest thing in sports is to hit a round object moving at 60--100 MPH with a stick. But there are some with zero experience that can just do it; their hand eye coordination is just that good.
The reality is for the majority of players who are successful; it's the years of experience under good coaches in good programs who exceed expectations and beat the average.
As far as injuries, on a game to game basis baseball is much safer. After all; after 90 (Travel Season) football games in a season you wouldn't have enough players to field a team.
But the injuries in baseball can be just as devastating. Dislocated hips on bad slides, broken cheek bones, MCL/ACL tears, elbow, shoulder, hand, wrist, broken noses, destroyed teeth and concussions. The moral of this is, we are human and therefore be compete. We do not live our lives worrying about what could happen, we worry about what won’t if we don’t try.
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| gasbag |
Posted - 05/27/2011 : 13:49:38
I played football as a youth, into high school and into college....I now have to stretch everyday...just to get out of bed. List of football injuries over the years: dislocated fingers, broken fingers, separated shouler, temporarily paralyzed ( I'm one of the lucky ones ! ) for two weeks from severe concussion, tore ligaments in my neck, broken back and never had knee surgery but at 52, my cartlidge is shot in both knees. I absolutely loved playing the game but it is not a question of "if" you'll get hurt playing football but rather when. They have ruined the game by adding all of the equipment advances. Take the equipment away, and maybe I'd consider my son playing the game. As it is, no way will he hit the gridiron....
Besides....chicks dig the long ball !!!!
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| itsaboutbb |
Posted - 05/27/2011 : 12:52:37
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Originally posted by volball22
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Originally posted by C. MORTON
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Originally posted by Bandit_Hawk
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Originally posted by gafan
All true... but football is still just awesome... no?
It is awesome. I love to watch it. However, I won't let my kids play just yet. I am fortunate to know a handful of NFL players and they all recommend not playing before high school.
LOL let them step onto a good football programs field and see how FAR behing the curve they are..Coaches these days don't have time to teach players how to play and the fundamentals of the game.Thats why tackeling is so POOR these days.. You wouldn't send you son out for baseball in high school if he never played before would you lol..Heck he may get to high school and get ROCKED by one of those kids that have been playing all their lives and say this ain't for me daddy lol..
C,
I just ran across this topic and I thought that your response was quite comical.I am amazed that you believe a child that doesn't participate in youth football will be beind. Football is a sport that at the majority of positions especially at the high school level take nothing more than pure athleticism. You mean to tell me a kid that peaks at 6-6 290 and can move his feet got those skills by being in a youth football program. Absolutely Not! Football especially being sucessful at the high school level is nothing more than being a better athlete. Baseball on the other hand is about repition. I can take any kid no matter athletic ability that has never played baseball and put him in the box against a mediocre high school program and he would be embarassed. To answer your question Bandit I definitely think that football poses a greater risk to youth. Their bodies haven't fully developed and aren't equipped to handle the continuous impacts they receive in football.
The Blind Side
If True he didn't know crap about the game. |
| UGA12 |
Posted - 05/27/2011 : 10:52:18
My son plays competetive football and travel baseball at 10. Completing his 2nd year of each and while he hasn't thrown a curve ball, he hasn't been hurt injured playing football either. Putting it in comparison though, if he pitched 80% of every game like he starts both ways in football 80% of the time. I would say that his arm would be in way worse shape than his body after a 13 game Superbowl Champion season of football.
The point is that if you asked him today what his favorite sport is he will tell you baseball, but just the other day on the way home from baseball practice he saiys "Dad...only 3 more months until football. I can't wait". Eventually, he will decide his path of excelling at the next level and it will come from him and who he is and not who I want him to be. He is a gifted athelete and I feel that both sports teach him different valuable life lessons. |
| volball22 |
Posted - 05/26/2011 : 20:43:44
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Originally posted by C. MORTON
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Originally posted by Bandit_Hawk
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Originally posted by gafan
All true... but football is still just awesome... no?
It is awesome. I love to watch it. However, I won't let my kids play just yet. I am fortunate to know a handful of NFL players and they all recommend not playing before high school.
LOL let them step onto a good football programs field and see how FAR behing the curve they are..Coaches these days don't have time to teach players how to play and the fundamentals of the game.Thats why tackeling is so POOR these days.. You wouldn't send you son out for baseball in high school if he never played before would you lol..Heck he may get to high school and get ROCKED by one of those kids that have been playing all their lives and say this ain't for me daddy lol..
C,
I just ran across this topic and I thought that your response was quite comical.I am amazed that you believe a child that doesn't participate in youth football will be beind. Football is a sport that at the majority of positions especially at the high school level take nothing more than pure athleticism. You mean to tell me a kid that peaks at 6-6 290 and can move his feet got those skills by being in a youth football program. Absolutely Not! Football especially being sucessful at the high school level is nothing more than being a better athlete. Baseball on the other hand is about repition. I can take any kid no matter athletic ability that has never played baseball and put him in the box against a mediocre high school program and he would be embarassed. To answer your question Bandit I definitely think that football poses a greater risk to youth. Their bodies haven't fully developed and aren't equipped to handle the continuous impacts they receive in football. |
| excoach12 |
Posted - 09/28/2010 : 18:22:40
My son played rec baseball for 5 years, up to age 15. He never played football.
When he entered his Junior year in high school he was 6'5" and 175lbs.
He tried out for the Lassiter baseball team and didn't make it because he did not have the skills. He also tried out for the Lassiter varsity football team and made the squad. He played on special teams for kickoff and punt returns as a blocker. He recovered 2 on-side kicks and 2 fumbles in his entire high school football career but the point is, he was able to play on his high school football team without ANY previous football experience. He didn't even know how to buckle his pads, the two of us had to ask a local equipment supplier what he needed and how to put it on so he would not look foolish in the locker room. :)
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| Spartan4 |
Posted - 09/28/2010 : 14:53:22
I never played football until 9th grade and I did just fine.....At the end of the day 5ft 10 average kids have very very little chance of playing football past high school....I played football and I LOVED football, but it was obvious my size was going to hurt my chances of playing anywhere. With baseball size surely matters but it is possible for a smaller kid to "make" it, not even talking about pro ball but even JUCO. Getting school payed for by playing a game you love to play. It is possible to get an extremely late start with football and still be great, it is IMO impossible to never pick up a bat until the pitching gets 80+ and think you are going to be successful. |
| Hitman |
Posted - 09/28/2010 : 12:46:05
When I was coming up it was all about football for me, now that I have a broader perspective I've encourage my son to focus on baseball, I think he's better at it. He's played 5 years of youth football with the last 3 of those years in the QB position, and twice as many seasons playing travel baseball. At the beginning of this football season he decided to stick with baseball. The choice was totally his own and frankly I was quite surprised. I do think football helped him to develop into the athlete he's become. The ability to think and make snap decisions, handling pressure situations, team work and leadership, and it's definitely helped to make him mentally and physically tougher than most. At the end of the day the choice is still his to make and already I think he not done with football. Next year begins High School. I'd be equally surprised if he doesn't tryout for football again.  |
| LeftyBat |
Posted - 09/28/2010 : 10:23:47
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Originally posted by gafan
football is just a different but equally great sport. Sure there are more injuries... but they learn the difference quick between a bit of pain and an actual injury. Football boys also gain a sense of working together every play...no standing around waiting in football. Think Kenny Chesney's video "The boys of Fall" says it all... don't think he's talkin' about fall baseball :) but I still love baseball.... two great sports with their own great qualities.
Go Gators! |
| gafan |
Posted - 09/28/2010 : 09:13:44
football is just a different but equally great sport. Sure there are more injuries... but they learn the difference quick between a bit of pain and an actual injury. Football boys also gain a sense of working together every play...no standing around waiting in football. Think Kenny Chesney's video "The boys of Fall" says it all... don't think he's talkin' about fall baseball :) but I still love baseball.... two great sports with their own great qualities. |
| cop311 |
Posted - 09/28/2010 : 03:17:05
Not tough based on injury. But there is toughness learned on physical contact. You can have endurance, strength, will to win, whatever but there is something to be said for doing things that you know is going to hurt. This could be football, boxing, mma, trucking the catcher, standing in there at home taking the hit, etc. Like he said it's just another level of toughness. Of course it doesn't take football to learn it but it sure helps you learn it quick. |
| LeftyBat |
Posted - 09/28/2010 : 00:46:45
a quote from another topic...
Anyone playing weekend of Oct 9-10??? See Nations is having a Fall State in Covington with no teams listed. Not much else out there. Would like to play in a good tournament that weekend if I can get all my players healthy from football injuries. Please post if you plan on playing and where
When is the last time you saw a football coach wonder if he could play a game cause the baseball players on his team needed time to recover from his injuries.... |
| Alter-Ego |
Posted - 09/27/2010 : 23:00:36
I think football teaches younger kids how to give it back when they get it. It helps them develop a channel for putting that aggression to something positive. It teaches them to be more aggressive. Not every kid does, but most do.
No way I think most football players can play baseball though. Football you can pick up in HS. No way you can do that in baseball. You can't up and just learn how to hit a 90mph FB followed by a 80mph curveball.
In football, you can just play offense and not defense. Baseball you can't. |
| 10 BB |
Posted - 09/27/2010 : 19:16:54
My boy has never played football and there is no way that one year of it could make him any tougher, mentally or physically. He's in the 6th grade and has strength and agility training with the HS baseball team by choice. This training has and will make several of the boys puke every time. Football is a great sport to watch but to many injuries can occur for me to allow him to play. If your measuring physical toughness based on injury then I guess he will never be tough in the eyes of the pro-footballers!
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| Hitman |
Posted - 09/27/2010 : 17:20:10
IMO all youth baseball players should play at least one year of youth football. I think it adds a level of toughness that transcends all sports. |
| bballman |
Posted - 09/27/2010 : 16:29:48
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Originally posted by C. MORTON
One thing I can say not all baseball players can play football but most football players can play baseball...
So what you are say is not all baseball players can play football but not all football players can play baseball.
Come on C.
I guarantee you can take any football player and put him up against the #1 or #2 starter on any HS team and a strike out will be the result. Baseball is not any where near as easy as it looks from the bleachers. |
| C. MORTON |
Posted - 09/27/2010 : 13:24:03
One thing I can say not all baseball players can play football but most football players can play baseball... |
| LeftyBat |
Posted - 09/27/2010 : 12:29:08
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Originally posted by gafan
All true... but football is still just awesome... no?
yes it is, but I am so happy my son decided that it's best to let other kids be awesome at it... |
| C. MORTON |
Posted - 09/27/2010 : 11:57:47
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Originally posted by Bandit_Hawk
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Originally posted by gafan
All true... but football is still just awesome... no?
It is awesome. I love to watch it. However, I won't let my kids play just yet. I am fortunate to know a handful of NFL players and they all recommend not playing before high school.
LOL let them step onto a good football programs field and see how FAR behing the curve they are..Coaches these days don't have time to teach players how to play and the fundamentals of the game.Thats why tackeling is so POOR these days.. You wouldn't send you son out for baseball in high school if he never played before would you lol..Heck he may get to high school and get ROCKED by one of those kids that have been playing all their lives and say this ain't for me daddy lol.. |
| 643dad |
Posted - 09/27/2010 : 11:42:24
Bryant Gumbel just had a segment on how many sports are being linked to MS, due to brain concussions are causing brain fluid to leak into the spinal cord. Kids who play soccer & girls Lagrosse are really suffering. Love football but glad that my sons rather play baseball. Just not worth the immendiate hazards & especially the long tern "unknown." |
