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| ChinMusic |
Posted - 08/06/2010 : 13:02:27
If a player is already on a team from the previous year, and another team is interested during the eval weekend, what happens during the player draft?? Would both team be expected to make an offer before draft day?? Just curious what's involved with this process.
Yes, I do assume my son will get an offer from last years team.
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| HITANDRUN |
Posted - 08/01/2011 : 16:30:24
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Originally posted by gamefanatic
we are getting responses back from some coaches that they are not doing pre-evaluations but will pick up at tryouts. Hmmmm.... just not sure I'm believing that one 
If a coach wont see your son in a private workout at their convenience they are either idiots or not interested. I have seen both. |
| jongamefan |
Posted - 07/27/2011 : 08:38:47
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Originally posted by bballman
ECB, at 15 and up is looking for the best players period. It doesn't matter where they come from. First of all, I believe they are looking at talent from the teams they play during the year. I'm sure they make some recruiting phone calls for those guys. The best thing for the EC coaches, however, is that because of ECB's reputation, the best players will come to them when they get into HS. If they had 18 players from out of state come to them that were better than the 18 players playing at ECB that year, they would load the roster with those 18 new kids. ECB at 15+ is all about business and winning. I'm talking mostly about the top teams. As the season continues, they will pick up kids that either request to be on the team or have been referred to them by coaches and scouts. If that happens and they are better than your son, your son will lose PT. Doesn't matter if you have been playing at ECB since you were 7. Better players will play. I think hicheese99's numbers will back that up. I guarantee, if there were better players out there wanting to be on the 15u Astros than those 6 who played there since 13, they would be on the team and the number would be less than 6.
I agree, if you have been at EC, on a good team, the coaches will have seen you and may know who you are. However, if a player gets seen at a tournament or a college coach or scout asks for a kid to be on the team - and that kid is a stud - he will be on the team at the expense of someone else on the team, even if they have been at ECB previously.
BBALL: In fact the winning + focus for very best players especially for Astros starts at 14U
There 14u team has made it apoint to win the USSA Nationals in Orlando for most of the past 6 or 7 seasons
They play into many 15 and 16 U tournements too
Its serious business for Astros at 14U |
| Gwinnett |
Posted - 07/26/2011 : 12:59:14
Allstar, great answer! Usually the team that wants you the most will treat you most fairly/best or least thats been our experience. The teams that are more coy usually aren't believers. The coaching staff has to believe or you might not play that much. If your son is really what they want the coach will wait.
Personally, I would go golf.....lol
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Originally posted by AllStar
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Originally posted by gamefanatic
Hypothetical - player not on the radar but now much taller and all those reps he got the year before now paying off. Has good offer he wants to consider but don't know if he can stall it for 3 weeks until after big ECB tryouts. Understand coach wants to fill the team. If he accepts this, is it appropriate to let other coaches he's interested in know that he would be willing to talk if they see something at tryouts they like? Hypothetically we are getting responses back from some coaches that they are not doing pre-evaluations but will pick up at tryouts. Hmmmm.... just not sure I'm believing that one - hypothetically. Don't want to hypothetically burn any bridges on either end and we do really like what we've seen. Just want to make sure the level is where the hypothetical son should be playing. Thoughts? Hypothetically?
If they are pressuring you for an answer even before the ECB tryouts, I would tell them you're not making a decision until after the tryouts. Plenty of fish in the sea and the good ones don't need to pressure the kids and their families like that.
Unless you are comfortable with them as a choice, then go ahead and commit and go golfing instead of to the ECB tryouts.
Hypothetically.
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| AllStar |
Posted - 07/25/2011 : 16:25:03
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Originally posted by gamefanatic
Hypothetical - player not on the radar but now much taller and all those reps he got the year before now paying off. Has good offer he wants to consider but don't know if he can stall it for 3 weeks until after big ECB tryouts. Understand coach wants to fill the team. If he accepts this, is it appropriate to let other coaches he's interested in know that he would be willing to talk if they see something at tryouts they like? Hypothetically we are getting responses back from some coaches that they are not doing pre-evaluations but will pick up at tryouts. Hmmmm.... just not sure I'm believing that one - hypothetically. Don't want to hypothetically burn any bridges on either end and we do really like what we've seen. Just want to make sure the level is where the hypothetical son should be playing. Thoughts? Hypothetically?
If they are pressuring you for an answer even before the ECB tryouts, I would tell them you're not making a decision until after the tryouts. Plenty of fish in the sea and the good ones don't need to pressure the kids and their families like that.
Unless you are comfortable with them as a choice, then go ahead and commit and go golfing instead of to the ECB tryouts.
Hypothetically. |
| gamefanatic |
Posted - 07/25/2011 : 12:08:59
Hypothetical - player not on the radar but now much taller and all those reps he got the year before now paying off. Has good offer he wants to consider but don't know if he can stall it for 3 weeks until after big ECB tryouts. Understand coach wants to fill the team. If he accepts this, is it appropriate to let other coaches he's interested in know that he would be willing to talk if they see something at tryouts they like? Hypothetically we are getting responses back from some coaches that they are not doing pre-evaluations but will pick up at tryouts. Hmmmm.... just not sure I'm believing that one - hypothetically. Don't want to hypothetically burn any bridges on either end and we do really like what we've seen. Just want to make sure the level is where the hypothetical son should be playing. Thoughts? Hypothetically? |
| oldmanmj |
Posted - 07/19/2011 : 20:34:51
I think what is really hard is that most people get what they pay for or many people don't have an honest sense of their childs abilities. Having gone through the tryout process with 2 children at ECB and having come to the park after playing years outside, they do it right. You bet they are looking at players during the year. Growth, maturity and hard work will dictate how things roll out, but being in front of the coaches helps, but does not ensure you moving up within the system. Is your son learning, improving and playing against the best he can? Is it expensive, yes, but it can pay off huge dividends.
I know this, if the team is performing, they don't bring in players to fill in, that has been the truth. In my experience, they have only brought others in if they don't feel their current has it. But that has been my experience. |
| DecaturDad |
Posted - 07/19/2011 : 14:12:57
With the ECB try outs coming up soon, I thought I would re open this and see if anyone had any more details. If you were to go with the expectation that your son will NOT be offered a spot that fits. Is it worth the time and money, just for the experience? Sure, if you end up on a great team, it was worth it. But what if you go in not expecting that to happen? |
| jongamefan |
Posted - 08/20/2010 : 10:12:25
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Originally posted by baseball21
With the 15yr Astros we had 4 out of state and 1 from south Ga.The only thing I can say about picking up players through out the year was everyone, meaning Parent knew thia was going to happen.I can't tell you there were not a lot of painful moments for all of us, we all knew this would happen..
This is exactly the problem we have with east cobb baseball upper teams , they will pick up hired guns to replace the others who have been there all season and paid money all season -- to win a tournament. And not explain or apologize for it .
The "painful moments" you were all forced to experience are not obligated to any team or coach , even if you knew it was coming.
If you know its coming , and everyone should , then get out now because life is too short to compromise happiness and fairness -- thats not just a phrase it is really true . |
| ItsjustLLBBall |
Posted - 08/20/2010 : 08:52:27
Bingo?????? You must have misunderstood what he said, he said he drove his kid to practice....hahahha |
| lottapop |
Posted - 08/20/2010 : 08:30:52
Bingo!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by NoDaddyBall
My son was asked to play for an EC team after we went to their private workouts before the EC clinic. We live East of Atlanta, out I-20. After this past spring we (my son and I) decided he could try out at EC. He has played on a different team each year from 9 until now. We left the area because of the weak coaching on the teams he has played on. He had played on six teams during that span and only one team had coaching that was what I consider superb. (My fault about him leaving that team. I made an assumption that was incorrect and didn't contact the coach until after fall tryouts) That being said, I do not feel that he was getting the quality coaching on any other team he has played for in the past that he is receiving on this EC team. I don't feel I am "wasting" my time driving him to practice three times a week. My “ego” has nothing to do with where he plays. OUR decision was based on his desire to be the best player he can be. That comes from coaching. I work with him every day of the week, but I can’t give him what he gets three times a week at EC. Maybe your ego was hurt and you don’t care for EC, but don’t bad mouth every team there because of it.
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| NoDaddyBall |
Posted - 08/19/2010 : 10:34:23
My son was asked to play for an EC team after we went to their private workouts before the EC clinic. We live East of Atlanta, out I-20. After this past spring we (my son and I) decided he could try out at EC. He has played on a different team each year from 9 until now. We left the area because of the weak coaching on the teams he has played on. He had played on six teams during that span and only one team had coaching that was what I consider superb. (My fault about him leaving that team. I made an assumption that was incorrect and didn't contact the coach until after fall tryouts) That being said, I do not feel that he was getting the quality coaching on any other team he has played for in the past that he is receiving on this EC team. I don't feel I am "wasting" my time driving him to practice three times a week. My “ego” has nothing to do with where he plays. OUR decision was based on his desire to be the best player he can be. That comes from coaching. I work with him every day of the week, but I can’t give him what he gets three times a week at EC. Maybe your ego was hurt and you don’t care for EC, but don’t bad mouth every team there because of it. |
| baseball21 |
Posted - 08/12/2010 : 19:14:42
I know you are correct when you say if you good they will find you.This hold true if you play at EC at an early age there is a much larger possibility of you being seen than players playing elsewhere or out of state.Addressing the practice of picking up players from other states,it started with our 14yr old team That year we had 3 out of state players and 2 fron south Ga.With the 15yr Astros we had 4 out of state and 1 from south Ga.The only thing I can say about picking up players through out the year was everyone, meaning Parent knew thia was going to happen.I can't tell you there were not a lot of painful moments for all of us, but we all knew this would happen.The point I was trying to make was how lucky we were to have 7 players and parents [some of our best friends]to be together that long. |
| bballman |
Posted - 08/12/2010 : 11:53:43
ECB, at 15 and up is looking for the best players period. It doesn't matter where they come from. First of all, I believe they are looking at talent from the teams they play during the year. I'm sure they make some recruiting phone calls for those guys. The best thing for the EC coaches, however, is that because of ECB's reputation, the best players will come to them when they get into HS. If they had 18 players from out of state come to them that were better than the 18 players playing at ECB that year, they would load the roster with those 18 new kids. ECB at 15+ is all about business and winning. I'm talking mostly about the top teams. As the season continues, they will pick up kids that either request to be on the team or have been referred to them by coaches and scouts. If that happens and they are better than your son, your son will lose PT. Doesn't matter if you have been playing at ECB since you were 7. Better players will play. I think hicheese99's numbers will back that up. I guarantee, if there were better players out there wanting to be on the 15u Astros than those 6 who played there since 13, they would be on the team and the number would be less than 6.
I agree, if you have been at EC, on a good team, the coaches will have seen you and may know who you are. However, if a player gets seen at a tournament or a college coach or scout asks for a kid to be on the team - and that kid is a stud - he will be on the team at the expense of someone else on the team, even if they have been at ECB previously. |
| behindtheball |
Posted - 08/12/2010 : 11:37:12
Oh yeah, they'll find you. When you're 16/17 they'll find you in South Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Massachusetts. |
| highcheese99 |
Posted - 08/12/2010 : 10:23:33
Looking back at 2009 Rosters the 15U ECB Astros 19 man roster.
had only 2 players that played for the ECB Astros at 12.
They had 2 other players who played for another ECB team at 12.
There were 6 players who never played at ECB ever.
Only 6 of the 19 played for ECB at 13U.
If you are good ECB will find you.
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| touchemall |
Posted - 08/11/2010 : 16:58:08
They are watching. The 10u try-outs last weekend were run 100% by the coaches for the older teams and not by any 10U coaches. They did a great job and were very positive with all the kids both days. I know it is probably part of their obligation to ECB but you would have not known it. It was probably over 100 degrees out there and not once did they stop teaching. |
| baseball21 |
Posted - 08/11/2010 : 16:28:43
I can speak from experience about how many players on the 16yr Asrros started at EC at a very you young age. There are 7 players that played for the 12yr Astros that played on the 16yr Astros this year.I think all,but 1 played in the East Cobb system as young as 9yr old.My humble opinion, the younger you start there the more chance you have to make an impression the Coaches.Believe me they are always looking. |
| sdrhitman4 |
Posted - 08/11/2010 : 14:53:43
I can tell you from a coaches standpoint at ECB. If the Astros want to take a look at other players on another team then they will call the Coach of the team and tell the coach that they have called the kid and asked him to come to the Astros only tryout. If the parent doesn't not want the kid to play for the Astros then they need to be up front with the Astros coach. They can not make you play for the Astros. They want what is best for the kid. I had 4 kids on my team last year that was called by the 14U Astros and they all went to the Astros tryouts but turned down the offer. |
| Alter-Ego |
Posted - 08/11/2010 : 14:24:25
Jim,
I mean if the Astros for next year are looking at two players, of equal talent, for one position, the player who was an Astro last year would get it over the non-Astros player. Just like I would expect that to work that way with the Titans, 6-4-3, Houston Banditos Black, etc. I did not mean to imply that the selection would be across the board for all EC teams, if that is what you thought. |
| Mets69 |
Posted - 08/11/2010 : 13:38:12
If a kid has already committed to a team, but the Astros want him after seeing him at the tryouts, do the Astros have the right to take him for their own team? Does the other team have to formally "release" him from his previous committment? |
| powerhitter15 |
Posted - 08/10/2010 : 14:48:27
My son and I went to the tryouts this weekend. My son plays for a 13u major ECB team. Just like ecbpappi said, His coach was looking to pickup a couple of players. All I got to say about the tryouts is well done ECB. |
| JimShwatz |
Posted - 08/09/2010 : 19:10:18
Alter,
Explain why an Astro player would be picked over a non-Astro player? |
| ecbpappi |
Posted - 08/09/2010 : 15:50:36
If the coaches are looking for players then they'll be watching. What I have learned though is some of these teams are full or only looking for 1 or 2 specific players to complete their teams. |
| Ewhites |
Posted - 08/09/2010 : 14:55:39
Does East Cobb post a contact list of coaches in advance of the tryout? How do we insure our kid has an opportunity to be seen? |
| ItsjustLLBBall |
Posted - 08/09/2010 : 10:58:42
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Originally posted by Alter-Ego
But if two players are equal, an Astro will get the selection over a non-Astro and an EC player will get the nod over a non-EC player.
It is that thinking that I have a problem with, if you listen to that from them enough, you will start to believe it. Beanball is on the money when he says that most of the players on the rosters are out of state players, there are very few home grown players. Again, I think it is a great place to play baseball, and the whole concept over there is genius, but there is a lot and when I say a lot, I'm talking tons of smoke and mirrors. Do you really think that your kids 95mph fastball is any worse than the kid that plays for the astros 95mph fastball??? |
