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satchel
28 Posts |
 Posted - 01/25/2017 : 23:00:13
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why do so many coaches and academy operators lie (or strongly embellish) their resumes? do they not know about google or baseball reference guide? some guys claiming they played pro/college ball are no where to be found when you look for them. playing in college/pro does not mean you are or are not a good coach. catching them falsifying or embellishing a resume is a real issue for me. what say you?
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CaCO3Girl
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Posted - 01/26/2017 : 09:58:01
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It takes time to build up a reputation, some coaches I think are looking for the chance to show people what they can do, so they lie. One of the best coaches I ever saw never played past high school but he was such a student of the game that he was able to bring the best out of every kid he taught. I would hope a guy like that let his reputation stand for itself, but to get with the better teams the parents and parks seem to require a professional pedigree.
I don't agree with lying, but I can see how in this area it might sound like a good idea. Also, keep in mind that some people don't go by their legal name. May want to clarify with a coach you are trying to google what his legal name is. |
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Dead Red
9 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2017 : 10:04:40
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| Agreed. Having played high-level ball can help if you are already a good coach or instructor, but you need to have the ability to coach first. |
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oneZone
117 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2017 : 10:28:40
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Originally posted by satchel
why do so many coaches and academy operators lie (or strongly embellish) their resumes? do they not know about google or baseball reference guide? some guys claiming they played pro/college ball are no where to be found when you look for them. playing in college/pro does not mean you are or are not a good coach. catching them falsifying or embellishing a resume is a real issue for me. what say you?
For the same reason so many teams greatly exaggerate their success or level of play -- to try to get your money before the next guy/team does!
I know it would be problematic to allow people on this forum to call out individual coaches or teams or organizations for some of the crap they try to pull, but it would sure help keep them honest.
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2017 : 11:50:26
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| Google is not the end all for everything. I know many guys that have played college and pro that are not found online. The ones that do embellish are no different than someone doing the same thing on their work resume. It a money machine and has nothing to do with performance of the player. |
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Renegade44
211 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2017 : 14:07:58
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| Hey did you hear the one about the hitting coach with a .115 lifetime minor league average? |
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743
215 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2017 : 15:47:14
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Punishers I challenge you to name one guy under the age of 60 that played pro baseball and can not be verified online? Not saying you can't but I have friends that were drafted in the last round almost last pick and I can find them online.
If you can't find them they probably didn't play. |
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satchel
28 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2017 : 20:19:19
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Agree. If a guy played ANY pro ball, you can find him easily on the internet. There is a database of minor league and major league players (no matter how short there stint).
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2017 : 21:42:14
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Originally posted by 743
Punishers I challenge you to name one guy under the age of 60 that played pro baseball and can not be verified online? Not saying you can't but I have friends that were drafted in the last round almost last pick and I can find them online.
If you can't find them they probably didn't play.
Challenge accepted. You do realize international players do not get drafted???? |
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3sondad
220 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2017 : 07:33:26
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Everyone I personally know that has been in the minors, including rookie ball, I have found them listed on http://www.baseball-reference.com/
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743
215 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2017 : 08:29:33
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| Yeah I understand that but if they played professional baseball I can find them. Now if you are talking about playing professionally in another country does that even count? I have heard guys tell me they played Semi Pro baseball. Oh you mean mens league that is not pro baseball. Not saying this is the case but almost all minor league baseball has some sort of information that can be found on the internet. I always start with http://www.thebaseballcube.com/ but I know there are some others and some times look up a player they might have mentioned they played with or that was on the team. Find them you can usually find a roster. |
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Crazyforbball
391 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2017 : 09:40:34
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| And if they are relatively young they show up on Perfect Game, which will show colleges and any pro experience. |
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satchel
28 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2017 : 10:12:52
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do you call them on it when they lie?
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Renegade44
211 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2017 : 17:51:33
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In the year 2017? No.
Its just an "alternative fact". |
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2017 : 00:37:12
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Originally posted by Renegade44
In the year 2017? No.
Its just an "alternative fact".
LOL. I just spit beer out on my laptop. |
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2017 : 00:50:07
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Originally posted by satchel
do you call them on it when they lie?
You could, but they are like roaches. Plus it will not stop others from paying them for training or playing on their team. |
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Hurricane
351 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2017 : 09:44:08
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| IN 2017 post something on social media under and alias and ask for confirmation or proof. |
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Hurricane
351 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2017 : 13:26:13
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| Sorry "an" alias not and alias. I hate when I do that. |
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bbsis
42 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2017 : 00:06:51
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| "played for [insert name of major league team] or played for [insert name of major league team "organization"] implies having played for the major league team. Do your research as there are several levels of minor league teams affiliated with each major league team and/or "organization." yes, it seems like it is stretching the truth but as others have said, do your research and make your own decision. and, i suppose getting called up from the minors and playing just one game for the major league team qualifies as having "played" for the major league team. |
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jaguars18
245 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2017 : 09:43:21
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playing at a big level be it college..minors or pro does not prevent you from being an overbearing..condescending jerk nor does it make you one.
I have seen guys who have great resume act like total jerks to kids and usually they are in it for the money. They did not get the proper education or skills to do anything else in life so are disgruntled coaches or instructors. |
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hangwiffem
69 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2017 : 15:39:38
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| This ^^^^^^^^^ ! Went through that hell last year. |
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Hurricane
351 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2017 : 15:37:18
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Originally posted by jaguars18
playing at a big level be it college..minors or pro does not prevent you from being an overbearing..condescending jerk nor does it make you one.
I have seen guys who have great resume act like total jerks to kids and usually they are in it for the money. They did not get the proper education or skills to do anything else in life so are disgruntled coaches or instructors.
I agree with you there, but at least they were honest about their credentials. If you start out lying about credentials you could be in an even bigger mess down the road. |
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Diamond_dad
16 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2017 : 18:04:00
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| Funny thing. Have you noticed that most of the coaches played minor league or college ball, but its extremely rare to find travel coaches that actually coached at a higher level than high school. I might be wrong, but Ive researched most programs when my kids played. They both are playing in college now. |
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Hurricane
351 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2017 : 13:16:49
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Originally posted by Diamond_dad
Funny thing. Have you noticed that most of the coaches played minor league or college ball, but its extremely rare to find travel coaches that actually coached at a higher level than high school. I might be wrong, but I've researched most programs when my kids played. They both are playing in college now.
You make a good point. To coach in college most coaches have to have a Masters Degree, I know of only one that doesn't that is coaching at a pretty big D-2 School not even sure how that is but he is. Most that played minor league ball didn't get their Masters because they were playing.
But I agree most guys that played minor league ball coach travel, its hard to get a coaching job in the minor leagues or even college and if they are part of a college program why would they go back to travel. Money is not very good no benefits etc. Seems the older coaches might have had some experience coaching above the HS level, but most young guys have not. I have heard stories of guys not getting to coach in pro baseball because they want the MLB playing experience on the resume. |
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Coach Cole
102 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2017 : 08:34:46
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| I remember teaching a coaching clinic many years ago for sub 12 years olds and saying "50% of what you teach will have nothing to do with baseball". I can remember that if I was going to instruct on bunting, I would go to YouTube the night before and watch 5 different MLB players/coaches discuss and demonstrate bunting. The next day at practice, I felt I was well armed to teach bunting (yes a coach needs to be able to throw BP and have the physical skills to demonstate good technique). I found that coaching is different than playing. Just as players spend years of getting better at playing, don't expect to be an awesome coach in year 1, it takes practice in managing player personalities, talents, team chemistry, when to pull a pitcher, parents, assistant coaches, time management, etc. My advice is have someone video tape you coaching early on and get feedback from players, parents, coaches, umpires, tweak your body language, attitude, leadership skills, set the example, don't ever do it just for the money, you have to love it and be committed and passionate. While I won a lot of tournaments in my early years of coaching for 16 years, I felt I didn't put all the pieces together until after doing it for about 5 years. My greatest memories of coaching were when the kids that struggled with one issue or another (sometimes non baseball related issues like ADHD, needed glasses, overweight, horrible family situation, personality disorder, lack of confidence) finally had a breakout moment or game. I think you will find all types of coaches out there with all types of backgrounds. Find a coach that loves coaching, whether they do it for free or get paid for it, find a coach that loves to teach and can work with each player's different personality of what they respond to best. Good luck, I still see a wide variety of coaching styles even at the college level. I |
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Crazyforbball
391 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2017 : 09:49:53
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| There are great coaches out there with little personal on-field experience but they are skilled at knowing how to win strategically with what they've got and they do a great job inspiring the boys to learn the game and do a good job. Maybe they are lacking from a mechanics perspective but there are plenty of places to get lessons for that stuff. There are pros with vast knowledge, but they may be terrible at teaching what they know. Then there are pros who have both, the knowledge and the ability to teach, inspire and play strategically. Of course those are the perfect scenarios and have produced many top teams. I guess what I'm trying to say is being a "pro" can be over rated, AND good coaches don't need to sell themselves with phony credentials. I always go back to asking parents on the team if the guy(s) are the real deal. Be honest, first and foremost, because if you are being dishonest people WILL find out and that starts off with being the worst possible role model. And SO much of getting the most out of your players is being a stellar role model that they can not only learn from, but respect. |
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