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ronicard
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 Posted - 04/22/2009 : 15:05:21
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We had the following situation arise in one of our games this past weekend and my official scorer and I have differing opinions on how it should be scored. I'll throw the question out for you guys to answer:
Situation: no runners on, noone out, right-handed batter at the plate. Batter hits a very hard ground ball towards the second baseman. The 2B tries to field the ball off to his side and the ball goes underneath his glove in an obvious error. However, the right fielder charging on the play fields the ball and throws out the runner before he reaches first base.
Question: since the runner never reached first safely, do you record an E-4 AND a 9-3? Or do you just record the 9-3 and the E-4 never appears?
Thought to ponder before answering: a few of my baseball friends immediately responded, "You can't have an out and an error on the same play". To which I respond, "Well, if a batter pops up to foul territory and the 1B drops it; then the batter gets a hit on the next pitch, you record that as an E-3 and a 1B. How is this any different?"
I don't know the answer to the question, so all thoughtful responses welcomed.
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stanlewis
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Posted - 04/22/2009 : 16:08:43
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My interpretation:
If the second baseman touched the ball then the play is 4-9-3. If he did not it is 9-3. An error is only charged if the misplay prolongs the time at bat, the time a player continues to be a runner or permits the runner to advance. |
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coachz
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Posted - 04/22/2009 : 16:24:15
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| stanlewis, Here here. That is how I interpret this too. "An error is only charged if the misplay prolongs the time at bat, the time a player continues to be a runner or permits the runner to advance." |
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ingasven
120 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2009 : 16:24:16
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9-3...or really I guess 4-9-3
...per official scoring rules...d) No error shall be charged against any fielder when, after fumbling a ground ball or dropping a fly ball, a line drive or a thrown ball, he recovers the ball in time to force out a runner at any base.
and the other scenario is in the books as E-3 (assuming 1st baseman dropped the popup) & then 1b because of the following rule:
a) An error shall be charged against any fielder when he muffs a foul fly, to prolong the time at bat of a batter whether the batter subsequently reaches first base or is put out.
Your friends that say you can't have an error and a hit on the same play are incorrect as you must show how the runner made it on base in order for the scorecard to balance...
HOW TO PROVE A BOX SCORE
(c) A box score is in balance (or proved) when the total of the team's times at bat, bases on balls received, hit batters, sacrifice bunts, sacrifice flies and batters awarded first base because of interference or obstruction equals the total of that team's runs, players left on base and the opposing team's putouts.
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Edited by - ingasven on 04/22/2009 16:40:36 |
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highcheese
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Posted - 04/22/2009 : 17:30:49
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| Excellent answer to the question. Now the time is to explain that to the team, show the 2b little guy how to make the play the next time, explain to the whole team why we back up each play and are moving in a direction on each play. Sometimes the best training aides we have are the situations that occur in this great game. |
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bambino_dad
119 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2009 : 00:47:06
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Out 4-9-3.
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Rocky
290 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2009 : 07:22:00
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| Same scenerio ball goes through first basemans legs, 2nd baseman recovers on the miss and makes the play at 1B, I assume no error would be charged to the first baseman. Another example fly ball to CF bounces off his glove and the Right fielder catches it before it hits the ground. just my 2 cents. |
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Rocky
290 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2009 : 07:25:46
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| I have another one. Batter hits a ball that would be a hit, but hits the runner going from 1st to 2nd? How do you record that in the book? |
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op-o
41 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2009 : 09:41:37
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I was just discussing this with someone on the phone. The batter is creditid with a hit and the runner is recorded put out by the nearest fielder.
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Originally posted by Rocky
I have another one. Batter hits a ball that would be a hit, but hits the runner going from 1st to 2nd? How do you record that in the book?
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PCV
27 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2009 : 12:03:59
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Inga,
Maybe I need to start calling you for answers to rules questions. LOL |
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ingasven
120 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2009 : 12:39:57
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Originally posted by PCV
Inga,
Maybe I need to start calling you for answers to rules questions. LOL
I almost called you to make sure I was right before I posted my reply!!!
Any use for a slow, but solid fielding infielder to use as a defensive sub say sometime around 8/2????????? |
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Scoring Rule Question
