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Renegade44
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 Posted - 07/15/2015 : 15:49:13
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1.) Baseball college scholarships are 25% maximum for most discussion purposes. If at all.
2.) Academics are where the real college money is. If at all.
3.) Most will gladly pay the Paid Baseball coach $80 an hour for a twice weekly lesson session. Followed by the larger Profit $$ paid for an Academy team which requires the lesson. All in hopes to see your player get the elusive 25% scholarship. A wonderful dream, best of luck to all.
4.) FEW would pay their child's school teacher even $15 an hour who spends the entire day with your child in some form working on their education.
5.) Priorities.
6.) Bucket sitting paid coaches worthy of $80 per hour, school teacher not so much.
7.) Travelball is big business.
8.) Selling dreams is the product.
9.) Academy dreams die hard when the real Athletes show up, sometimes out of no where, seldom picked a baseball up til the 60/90 field.
10.) If I only knew way back when what I know now........
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Tripknows
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Posted - 07/15/2015 : 18:14:00
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1.) I believe that to be partially true the 25% mostly pertains to your bigger schools. Let's not forget about our smaller schools our junior colleges and private schools a lot can offer full scholarships.
2.) I will agree that most of your major money is in academics especially for the states that have HOPE scholarship or something of the sort.
3.) For some athletes it is luck for others it is hard work and dedication. Even then sometimes it takes a little bit of both. But eventually if they have a combination of both skill and academics the odds of them getting to the next level is greater than any athlete above their athletic ability.
4.) I cannot speak upon the salary of a teacher but I will agree that it should be raised my last year in college I was majoring in secondary education to become a teacher myself.
5.) That's a good one and should be applied to everything in life.
6.) Not all Coach's are bucket sitting Coach's. In fact I myself care just as much about my athletes grades as I do their performance.
7.) Yes I will agree travel ball is big business but if your research is done right it should be worth your business.
8.) Selling dreams is the product and most will achieve their dreams depending on what the dream is. For some there dream is going to be to make it to the high school team for others maybe college and then a few to the next level on. But if they set their dreams and goals and try to attain the small goals first that can help them to come one step closer to their dreams.
9.) The main reason that this happens or seems to happen is due to the fact of the age that it switches over this is when some one hit their purity state and Sun will not it all depends on time.
10.) Very true how I wish the , but if that were true you wouldn't be the person that we are today
Sorry for any typos as this is all done by voice and I don't have the keyboard for my phone. Let me know what you think of that list and if you think anything should be removed or added I like to hear your input on the whole situation.
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CaCO3Girl
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Posted - 07/16/2015 : 08:32:20
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Originally posted by Renegade44
1.) Baseball college scholarships are 25% maximum for most discussion purposes. If at all.
2.) Academics are where the real college money is. If at all.
3.) Most will gladly pay the Paid Baseball coach $80 an hour for a twice weekly lesson session. Followed by the larger Profit $$ paid for an Academy team which requires the lesson. All in hopes to see your player get the elusive 25% scholarship. A wonderful dream, best of luck to all.
4.) FEW would pay their child's school teacher even $15 an hour who spends the entire day with your child in some form working on their education.
5.) Priorities.
6.) Bucket sitting paid coaches worthy of $80 per hour, school teacher not so much.
7.) Travelball is big business.
8.) Selling dreams is the product.
9.) Academy dreams die hard when the real Athletes show up, sometimes out of no where, seldom picked a baseball up til the 60/90 field.
10.) If I only knew way back when what I know now........
This post should be required reading on the 6u/7u/8u/9u boards.
There are those of us who are chasing the dream WITH our children, and those that are chasing it FOR our children, all the while not realizing we, the parents, have nothing to do with any of this. We are not their teammates, and not their peers, we drive the car and we write the checks and the rest has to be up to them. |
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T13
257 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2015 : 09:40:30
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Renegade44 is spot on!!
Put your Academy, private lesson money in a college trust for you child and they will appreciate it later. Sad that we have let Travel ball ruin the rec ball experience many of us grew up playing. |
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dad4kids
109 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2015 : 10:06:32
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
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Originally posted by Renegade44
1.) Baseball college scholarships are 25% maximum for most discussion purposes. If at all.
2.) Academics are where the real college money is. If at all.
3.) Most will gladly pay the Paid Baseball coach $80 an hour for a twice weekly lesson session. Followed by the larger Profit $$ paid for an Academy team which requires the lesson. All in hopes to see your player get the elusive 25% scholarship. A wonderful dream, best of luck to all.
4.) FEW would pay their child's school teacher even $15 an hour who spends the entire day with your child in some form working on their education.
5.) Priorities.
6.) Bucket sitting paid coaches worthy of $80 per hour, school teacher not so much.
7.) Travelball is big business.
8.) Selling dreams is the product.
9.) Academy dreams die hard when the real Athletes show up, sometimes out of no where, seldom picked a baseball up til the 60/90 field.
10.) If I only knew way back when what I know now........
This post should be required reading on the 6u/7u/8u/9u boards.
There are those of us who are chasing the dream WITH our children, and those that are chasing it FOR our children, all the while not realizing we, the parents, have nothing to do with any of this. We are not their teammates, and not their peers, we drive the car and we write the checks and the rest has to be up to them.
^^^ this ^^^^ Both great posts. |
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AllStar
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Posted - 07/16/2015 : 10:34:19
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If you did a cost benefit analysis, you definitely wouldn't do most of what you do with your kids, but especially travel ball.
My son's dream was never college, at least not after age 12 or 13, it was high school. He lived that dream and has moved on.
Travel didn't ruin baseball for us, though the 14U was very challenging. Paid coaches who had no experience. Or clue.
Wouldn't trade anything for the Cooperstown, Omaha (TC tourney during the CWS) or High School experiences, to name just a couple. Couldn't put a $ value on any of those.
My $.02.
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NF1974
62 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2015 : 12:05:02
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1. I would have loved it if my son would have been good enough to play at a Division 1 program and receive any kind of scholarship even if it was partial or Hope.
2. He is currently receiving 48k per year out of a total tuition of 58k per year to go to school and play baseball at a Division 3 school that is out of state. He loves it.
3. We paid for private instruction and clinics and summer camps at Clemson, UVA, etc,, and I do not regret a penny spent and would do it all over again in a heartbeat.
4. Although an outstanding student, we paid for tutoring and private tutoring for SAT prep( 900.00) just so that he would raise his academic game and be eligible for academic money.
5. A child sees his priorities by what he sees his parents invest their time in.
6. Private baseball coaching and private tutoring were both worth the money spent.
7. Travel ball is big business and a hell of a lot of fun!. I enjoyed it tremendously and would do it all again. Sure there were hard times. The driving and endless practicing but it was all worth it.
8. Dreaming and hoping are great things. When I was in Highschool I dreamnt of being Jerry West and playing for the Lakers. Somewhere between my Sophomore and Junior year, I realized that I was not going to be Jerry West. My dreams changed but my love for basketball continued and played until i was 30. Continue to let your sons and daughters dream and dream big. I struggled with whether I should tell my son, hey I don't think you are good enough to play for the Braves, let alone play for a Divison 1 program but in the end I decided that this was not my job. he would figure it out on his own. I continue to help him dream and get better... Just do both, Academics and Athletics
9. Genetics trumps desire. Desire and hard work make up a lot but all things being equal-genetics wins out.
10. I would do it all over again and enjoy it even more..... |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2015 : 13:36:01
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Originally posted by AllStar
If you did a cost benefit analysis, you definitely wouldn't do most of what you do with your kids, but especially travel ball.
My son's dream was never college, at least not after age 12 or 13, it was high school. He lived that dream and has moved on.
Travel didn't ruin baseball for us, though the 14U was very challenging. Paid coaches who had no experience. Or clue.
Wouldn't trade anything for the Cooperstown, Omaha (TC tourney during the CWS) or High School experiences, to name just a couple. Couldn't put a $ value on any of those.
My $.02.
Oh I'm BIG on the cost benefit analysis idea....BUT...I'd still say it was worth it, not in the sense to get the ever elusive 25% scholarship but in the other value travel ball has brought to my sons life.
1. He's physically active in the age of the coach potato who owns more gaming systems than pieces of athletic equipment.
2. He has to learn to get along with multiple personalities, or he can't truly be a part of the team.
3. He has learned to take direction....based on the state of his room and the garbage not being taken out AGAIN, it's nice to know he is capable of that feat, he will need that when he wants to get a job.
4. Baseball has provided him with goals, maybe they aren't achievable, but what pre-high schooler has goals?
5. Being in Travel Ball is kind of like being in a cult...no one on the outside thinks we are sane...but being a part of this travel ball community has given him a sense of belonging to and with people he has never met...this was very clear in Cooperstown where there were over 1200 kids in one location who ALL shared the love of baseball. How many groups of 1200 twelve year olds do you think could click within moments of meeting each other?
Is playing MLB likely, no....but it's nice to have a dream and a goal. Who knows, maybe having that goal will keep him from painting his fingernails black, wearing eye liner, or thinking it's cool to smoke behind the gym *shrug*...I can see a lot more cost coming out of me, but I can also see a lot more benifit still to come for him. It's worth it so far. |
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Tripknows
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Posted - 07/16/2015 : 14:02:14
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There are those of us who are chasing the dream WITH our children, and those that are chasing it FOR our children, all the while not realizing we, the parents, have nothing to do with any of this. We are not their teammates, and not their peers, we drive the car and we write the checks and the rest has to be up to them.
That right there says it all the problem is not so much the price on lessons or things of the sort to me from an outside perspective it seems that the issue is parents are trying to live their dreams rather than helping live their child's dream. I'll also admit that sometimes this happens with Coach as well. The sooner that we all can let the athlete live in realize their own dream the better the whole outcome will be.
Curious to hear your input on my 2 cents |
Edited by - Tripknows on 07/16/2015 15:27:31 |
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2015 : 14:14:44
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Originally posted by NF1974
2. He is currently receiving 48k per year out of a total tuition of 58k per year to go to school and play baseball at a Division 3 school that is out of state. He loves it.
To be fair for those on this forum that aren't at the college or high school recruiting level yet, full disclosure is that D3 schools offer NO ATHLETIC SCHOLARSHIP MONEY, so the $48k of $58k noted above is money from either academic achievement, needs base, or combination of the two.
To add one thing that the original poster overlooked is that athletics can get your child into a school that he/she would otherwise have never had a shot if just applying with the general population. Consider what Hope has done to acceptance rate at UGA. It is EXTREMELY difficult for graduating HS seniors to get accepted there. Just being hope eligible is not enough to get into UGA, but for the athlete, it is. So, while there may not be a full tuition pot at the end of the rainbow, the rainbow itself can lead to many different destination options that simply won't be there otherwise.
And, I agree with Allstar. If I lived my life by cost/benefit analysis, I would have never taken the kids to Disney, paid for fireworks, bought a fun car, taken the family to Braves games, visited NY and Chicago, etc. In other words, I would be missing out on life. |
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hshuler
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Posted - 07/16/2015 : 17:47:29
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Here's my $.02
1. 25% is better than nothing
2. Academics are a necessity/Athletics are a luxury that can be taken away at any time.
3. Lessons should be included in your team fees.
4. We should devote more time to academics versus athletics.
5. See number 4
6. See number 4
7. Agreed!
8. Been saying the same things for years. The mega-contract has many parents thinking that their kid is the new 401K.
9. Those days are fewer and far between because of athletes being highly skilled at earlier ages so it's hard (not possible) to catch up. But, you are correct, it's an athlete's game.
10. I would have been recently inducted into the HOF...lol! |
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NF1974
62 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2015 : 12:43:42
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| In the know is correct. The 48k my son receives is a combination of academic and need based funds. |
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bfriendly
376 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2015 : 06:10:04
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Renegade44, it sounds like a challenging set of Circumstances for anyone. But IMHO the real life lesson to be learned here from this list of 10 can be wrapped up in just one lesson.....Life is NOT Fair. No pity party from me, just honest recognition.
Many folks will never encounter some of the situations simply because of a different path taken. Maybe one with the same dream sold by travel ball will never go to college because at 13 they are working after school to help support their family. But if they do really have an dream that includes baseball, they will keep working and find a way to get ready for a Moment to come. Their Academy Dream can be crushed as hard as any, with any means at any time..........Life is NOT Fair.
Success is Not possible without the Failure Option........so ends the lesson. |
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Tripknows
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Posted - 07/18/2015 : 09:56:30
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Originally posted by bfriendly
Renegade44, it sounds like a challenging set of Circumstances for anyone. But IMHO the real life lesson to be learned here from this list of 10 can be wrapped up in just one lesson.....Life is NOT Fair. No pity party from me, just honest recognition.
Many folks will never encounter some of the situations simply because of a different path taken. Maybe one with the same dream sold by travel ball will never go to college because at 13 they are working after school to help support their family. But if they do really have an dream that includes baseball, they will keep working and find a way to get ready for a Moment to come. Their Academy Dream can be crushed as hard as any, with any means at any time..........Life is NOT Fair.
Success is Not possible without the Failure Option........so ends the lesson.
Will put and very true I know the past chosen for me when I was taking my baseball career was not one of the easiest and put me in many difficult situations, but because I wanted to drink so bad and worked so hard for it I was able to attain it. Even though times were because it was my dream the journey was still enjoyable every moment. |
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Tripknows
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Posted - 07/19/2015 : 00:07:13
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Well put and very true I know the path chosen for me when I was taking my baseball career was not one of the easiest and put me in many difficult situations, but because I wanted to make it so bad and worked so hard for it I was able to attain it. Even though times were tough because it was my dream the journey was still enjoyable every moment.
Sorry for the repost was using voice on my phone and saw some major typos lol plus can't find the dang edit button. |
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turntwo
955 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2015 : 09:02:54
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Not sure about all of this 'cost-benefit' talk. Don't most 9-year olds have bat, glove, shoe/cleat deals for their equipment? And get scholarships from teams to play?
This is the cheapest sport my son plays. |
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2015 : 11:15:33
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Originally posted by turntwo
Not sure about all of this 'cost-benefit' talk. Don't most 9-year olds have bat, glove, shoe/cleat deals for their equipment? And get scholarships from teams to play?
This is the cheapest sport my son plays.
Post again when he wraps up his 16u season . . . |
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aj94
182 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2015 : 11:24:37
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#truth, my son is in college for FREE on academics...travel ball is now a money grab...got a parent thats willing to pay then you can play...but not at HS age in Perfect Game, etc...they call in the big dawgs tom come play for free so they can brag about that winning record and post it on their website..
And then they got the nerve to act like they are doing you a favor by letting you pay them for your son to play with their team...check the records for 75% of these teams, they are not even good..I bet most of them can't beat an all star team out of a legit rec park. |
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dad4kids
109 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2015 : 11:50:42
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In the midst of the travel ball experience, with all its good and bad, I would do it all again even if baseball were to end for him tomorrow. Because I believe competitive team sports, and certainly travel baseball, are invaluable in teaching life lessons that transcend sports and prepare you for bigger challenges. What other youth forum do you get the chance to repeatedly prepare, strive, and struggle on a big stage (or what seems like one to a kid), emerge victorious and/or fail miserably both individually (on a pitcher's mound or batter's box) all with a group of your teammates/allies, repeatedly be forced to recover from and deal with those outcomes again ... and again ... and again?? It's in those struggles that character, work ethic, and identities are forged and young men discover who they and of what they're made. And they're doing it along side a community (teammates, coaches, umpires, and parents) all with differing personalities, agendas, priorities. The opportunity is there (and sometimes it is forced upon them) to learn how to deal with the conflict, complexities, and tension of relationships of a bigger community over a season (usually absent from individual sports) along with a reminder that it's not about them (as much as mom and dad show or tell them to the contrary!!!). And all along the way are the opportunities for lasting friendships, relationships, experiences, and memories.
In other words, the game affords these kids the opportunity to deal with success and failure early, to try and fail over and over, all alongside others , in such a way that matures and better prepares them for the challenges of employment, relationships, school, hardships ... life!!! The experiences are more intense, long lasting, and meaningful in travel ball for the reasons already expressed (more time, more games, longer season, more emphasis, work, and effort). That's well worth all the time and money and heartache in my book - whether they ever get paid to do it or not!!! |
Edited by - dad4kids on 07/22/2015 12:50:58 |
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chuckmann
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Posted - 07/22/2015 : 15:27:07
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Originally posted by dad4kids
In the midst of the travel ball experience, with all its good and bad, I would do it all again even if baseball were to end for him tomorrow. Because I believe competitive team sports, and certainly travel baseball, are invaluable in teaching life lessons that transcend sports and prepare you for bigger challenges. What other youth forum do you get the chance to repeatedly prepare, strive, and struggle on a big stage (or what seems like one to a kid), emerge victorious and/or fail miserably both individually (on a pitcher's mound or batter's box) all with a group of your teammates/allies, repeatedly be forced to recover from and deal with those outcomes again ... and again ... and again?? It's in those struggles that character, work ethic, and identities are forged and young men discover who they and of what they're made. And they're doing it along side a community (teammates, coaches, umpires, and parents) all with differing personalities, agendas, priorities. The opportunity is there (and sometimes it is forced upon them) to learn how to deal with the conflict, complexities, and tension of relationships of a bigger community over a season (usually absent from individual sports) along with a reminder that it's not about them (as much as mom and dad show or tell them to the contrary!!!). And all along the way are the opportunities for lasting friendships, relationships, experiences, and memories.
In other words, the game affords these kids the opportunity to deal with success and failure early, to try and fail over and over, all alongside others , in such a way that matures and better prepares them for the challenges of employment, relationships, school, hardships ... life!!! The experiences are more intense, long lasting, and meaningful in travel ball for the reasons already expressed (more time, more games, longer season, more emphasis, work, and effort). That's well worth all the time and money and heartache in my book - whether they ever get paid to do it or not!!!
I wish I could thumbs up this post. Great stuff! |
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NF1974
62 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2015 : 15:57:36
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| well said dad4kids! |
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Bravemom
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Posted - 07/22/2015 : 18:43:31
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Originally posted by dad4kids
In the midst of the travel ball experience, with all its good and bad, I would do it all again even if baseball were to end for him tomorrow. Because I believe competitive team sports, and certainly travel baseball, are invaluable in teaching life lessons that transcend sports and prepare you for bigger challenges. What other youth forum do you get the chance to repeatedly prepare, strive, and struggle on a big stage (or what seems like one to a kid), emerge victorious and/or fail miserably both individually (on a pitcher's mound or batter's box) all with a group of your teammates/allies, repeatedly be forced to recover from and deal with those outcomes again ... and again ... and again?? It's in those struggles that character, work ethic, and identities are forged and young men discover who they and of what they're made. And they're doing it along side a community (teammates, coaches, umpires, and parents) all with differing personalities, agendas, priorities. The opportunity is there (and sometimes it is forced upon them) to learn how to deal with the conflict, complexities, and tension of relationships of a bigger community over a season (usually absent from individual sports) along with a reminder that it's not about them (as much as mom and dad show or tell them to the contrary!!!). And all along the way are the opportunities for lasting friendships, relationships, experiences, and memories.
In other words, the game affords these kids the opportunity to deal with success and failure early, to try and fail over and over, all alongside others , in such a way that matures and better prepares them for the challenges of employment, relationships, school, hardships ... life!!! The experiences are more intense, long lasting, and meaningful in travel ball for the reasons already expressed (more time, more games, longer season, more emphasis, work, and effort). That's well worth all the time and money and heartache in my book - whether they ever get paid to do it or not!!!
Great post!!!!! |
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DecaturDad
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Posted - 07/22/2015 : 21:58:52
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Originally posted by aj94
#truth, my son is in college for FREE on academics...travel ball is now a money grab...got a parent thats willing to pay then you can play...but not at HS age in Perfect Game, etc...they call in the big dawgs tom come play for free so they can brag about that winning record and post it on their website..
And then they got the nerve to act like they are doing you a favor by letting you pay them for your son to play with their team...check the records for 75% of these teams, they are not even good..I bet most of them can't beat an all star team out of a legit rec park.
That depends on the team. My son plays for a top 16u team that has made the final 4 in almost every tournament they played in this summer. And they have NEVER brought in a player from outside the team.
Also, realize that some kids will never get full academic rides. Just like some kids are better at baseball then others, some kids are better academically then others. I completely agree that school needs to be a top priority. I am just saying that it may not open the doors for some kids that sport will. |
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teddy41
421 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2015 : 16:07:41
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I would spend more time complaining about high school charging as much as some travel teams. Most states if you google random high schools do not have booster fee's or selling of product anywhere like they do here.
Travel ball is not mandatory you choose to pay to play. High school is not so optional unless you just do not want to play. Not a lot of rec leagues for 16yr olds |
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bballman
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Posted - 07/23/2015 : 17:05:06
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Originally posted by teddy41
I would spend more time complaining about high school charging as much as some travel teams. Most states if you google random high schools do not have booster fee's or selling of product anywhere like they do here.
Travel ball is not mandatory you choose to pay to play. High school is not so optional unless you just do not want to play. Not a lot of rec leagues for 16yr olds
Many states do not have fees for HS sports because it is paid for by the state. Here in Georgia, the state doesn't pay for anything except for facility maintenance. And even that just means major field improvements, not regular maintenance. And if you want to perform some field maintenance, you have to ask for the money and it may take years to get it.
Yes, it costs money to play HS ball, but in my opinion, the state has their priorities in the wrong place. But that's a whole other ball of wax. |
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