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CaCO3Girl
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 Posted - 06/29/2015 : 09:12:47
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Had a weird call this weekend and was hoping for an ump to clarify.
First pitch of the at bat, batter in the box bunted, the ball was spinning, hit the plate and then hit the batter while he was in the box, the field ump called an out.
Why, what rule is this? |
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HeyBlue
92 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2015 : 11:52:35
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| Would need to see it to be honest. Where was the batter's feet when he made contact with the ball? |
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jacjacatk
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Posted - 06/29/2015 : 13:21:49
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The plate is in fair territory, so if the batter was also once the ball hit him (possible, if not likely), then he's out because he was hit by a batted ball in fair territory.
As described, with the batter in the batter's box, it should have been ruled a foul ball. There's also an exception for intentionally touching the ball by the batter (either directly or with bat/helmet) after originally hitting it, for which the batter could be declared out, but I'd think the ump would make that clear if that were the case.
Best guess here, as described, the ump misapplied the rules. |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2015 : 14:14:39
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The exact same thing happened in the next game to the opposing team and it was ruled a foul ball...I'm hoping it was just a mistake because I haven't heard of this rule.
Kid was trying to lay down a bunt, I guess it's POSSIBLE his feet were crossing over home plate after the bunt...but then again our coach did argue that the kid was in the batters box and the field ump agreed the kid was in the batters box but he was out.
Our coaches were also upset that it wasn't the ump watching the strike zone making this call, it was the ump in the field. Is this normal? |
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jacjacatk
154 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2015 : 03:26:24
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| As a rule of thumb, the umps tend to be about the same quality as the players for any given age group's games. So, the younger the kids, the worse (relatively) the umps. I'm generally a defender of umps, and IMO it's rare to find one who's just awful, but they do make plenty of mistakes at the younger ages. Generally, it all evens out in the end, though. |
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HeyBlue
92 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2015 : 16:38:10
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| It's not something that is commonly called and definitely not something the base umpire should be getting. That said, the plate umpire's primary responsibility is the pitch. |
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tuffmavrick
47 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2015 : 01:37:36
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| If the batter was in the front of box he could be called out because that is in fair territory. we don't think about it being that but the front third is but the line is not drawn. It is a judgement call and happens so quick. |
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bballman
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Posted - 07/01/2015 : 11:20:44
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Originally posted by tuffmavrick
If the batter was in the front of box he could be called out because that is in fair territory. we don't think about it being that but the front third is but the line is not drawn. It is a judgement call and happens so quick.
The whole batter's box is foul territory. The line from 3B to HP is not there for a reason. No matter where in the box the batter was standing, if he was in the box, it should have been a foul ball. Umpire missed the call. I'm not sure of the exact umpire mechanics on this issue in terms of which ump should call it. I would think it's the HP ump's call, but if the field ump sees it better, I don't have a problem with him calling it. But this time he misapplied the rule as jacjacatk said. |
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2015 : 23:23:31
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Originally posted by bballman
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Originally posted by tuffmavrick
If the batter was in the front of box he could be called out because that is in fair territory. we don't think about it being that but the front third is but the line is not drawn. It is a judgement call and happens so quick.
The whole batter's box is foul territory. The line from 3B to HP is not there for a reason. No matter where in the box the batter was standing, if he was in the box, it should have been a foul ball. Umpire missed the call. I'm not sure of the exact umpire mechanics on this issue in terms of which ump should call it. I would think it's the HP ump's call, but if the field ump sees it better, I don't have a problem with him calling it. But this time he misapplied the rule as jacjacatk said.
This isn't entirely correct. The front portion of the batter's box is actually in fair territory. In fact, the batter's box is irrelevant with respect to whether a batted ball is fair or foul. The entirety of home plate is in fair territory, and the foul line runs from the back side of home plate to the respective foul poles. When drawn correctly, there is a portion of the batter's box that is, in fact, in fair territory, and a ball that is batted and comes to rest in that area would properly be called a fair ball.
With respect to a batted ball making contact with the batter in the batter's box, the ENTIRE batter's box is a safe zone, in that the ball should properly be ruled foul if it is batted and makes contact with the batter while still in the box, regardless of whether the batter is in the fair or foul portion of the box. |
Edited by - in_the_know on 07/01/2015 23:39:14 |
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2015 : 08:39:09
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I stand corrected. Thanks for the excellent interpretation intheknow.
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HeyBlue
92 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2015 : 09:48:34
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| in_the_know is correct |
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zwndad
170 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2015 : 11:35:20
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On the question of the field umpire making the call ... from my experience, it is generally the home plate umpire's call initially, but if he's not sure (or a coach asks), he'll ask for help from the field umpire.
The field umpire usually has a better view of what's happening right in front of the plate. A lot of times, the home plate umpire is blocked by the catcher and/or batter that close to the plate. |
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mikepayne
173 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2015 : 16:40:10
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| If the field guy sees it he calls it. If they ask for help and then he calls it, he is not much of a partner for the guy behind the plate. IMO. |
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2015 : 23:24:01
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Originally posted by mikepayne
If the field guy sees it he calls it. If they ask for help and then he calls it, he is not much of a partner for the guy behind the plate. IMO.
I respect the "I got your back" sentiment, but this answer is complete BS. Get the call right, not what prevents the other guy from looking as though he got the call wrong.
Frankly this is why they need replay in baseball. Stop this BS of it being wrong to correct the other guy who may have legitimately not seen the call, but his "buddy" doesn't want to make him look bad.
Worry about getting it right, not being right.
Sorry if this ruffles feathers, but this mentality just doesn't cut it. |
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HeyBlue
92 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2015 : 10:32:02
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| If something is my call and I get with my partner, it is still my call. I am checking with my partner to see if he has any information to add to what I saw that would help me make my final call. There are, however, times that there is nothing that can be added to a call (judgement calls). The plate umpire can help the base umpire on swiped tag or pulled foot. |
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mikepayne
173 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2015 : 13:31:46
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intheknow,
Calling it foul from the field is a far cry from " being wrong to correct the other guy who may legitimately not seen the call". What I said was if you see it call it. Not calling it because you do not want to upset your partner is a problem. We are a long way from replay for these boys. And the particular play in question is not reviewable even at the major league level.
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Batter called out on foul?
