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teddy41
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 Posted - 04/05/2015 : 10:06:00
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WEATHER CANCELLATIONS: There is a chance this tournament could be rained out. Please be aware that $100 of the entry fee will be kept to cover administrative costs if the tournament is cancelled due to inclement weather.
How does it cost $100 for admin fee's? That is a ton of money if you have a large field. Seems they profit even if it rains. What about teams admin time, money spent and trying to juggle a budget? |
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dgersh22
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Posted - 04/05/2015 : 13:46:46
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As someone who has been on both sides of the fence in running tournaments and coaching teams that have played in tournaments. I have know problems with this happening. There are so many expenses associated with tournaments before they happen other than just showing up and playing ball. I did it on a voluntary basis as a fundraiser but these guys do it for their lively hood and spend 40 plus hours a week getting these tournaments to go over as well as they do:
-Umpire scheduling
-Field scheduling (many of these fields you have to put a non-refundable deposit down)
-Field prep, when it starts to rain, the fields charge you for extra prep including diamond dry
-Insurance, Website development, travel, office expenses, cell phones, food, motel, trophies, salaries etc.
I would bet even with large fields of teams at $100 per team, that they do not break even by the time you figure dollars spent and man hours.
Baseball tournaments or a business that all parties take a chance on when promoting and or entering. Quite frankly I always built extra money into our budget for these circumstances and if it wasn't used we played another tournament at the end of the year. |
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TripleCrownAdministrator
240 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2015 : 14:06:22
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Teddy41,
Well it just seems like you have always got a negative post to comment on everything we do here at Triple Crown Sports. I am just going to respond to you here once and be totally done as you have commented with nasty negative remarks on here repeatedly about us and every other post since 2010!
Yes we do have a RAINOUT POLICY in place to protect our business and be able to cover all of the costs incurred to run a tournament....even if it gets rained out due to weather! We have award costs, staff costs, driving my own personal vehicle to the event and back with gas, royatlies back to my corporate office since I am a franchise owner, and then there is my time in putting the event together! Do you work for free at your job???? Well I do put in quite the hours in preparation every single day and week for all of my events in which you have overlooked! Also I have done better in many cases than what our corporate policies have stated. I have moved teams full entry to another event later in the 2015 spring baseball season and kept teams happy with our product over the long haul!
Also I know that you do not see what goes on behind the scenes at any of our events, but my staff goes above and beyond the call of duty to get the tournament in if at all possible. This includes breaking out my two shop vacs with extension cords, rakes, and quick dry to pump water off the fields the night before so that the teams have a chance to play baseball in the morning. I am not asking for any kind of recognition, but we have had severe weather and rain over the last two months to start the season and my shop vacs have taken quite a beating!
Well I have come on here and shown my face and not tried to hide behind any computer or made up name. I would really hope that if you had a problem with me and Triple Crown that you would personally email me directly at triplecrownsports@litestream.net or call me in the office at 904-230-3993 to discuss these concerns. I have always had an open door policy and accept constructive criticism to make our product even better with all of the teams! In almost all of the cases that are brought to our attention, a productive resolution is always reached between the two parties. By all means, please call or email me directly to discuss your issues and concerns as I can not address them to you here on this website.
Thank you,
Tony VonDolteren
GA & FL Triple Crown Baseball
Office phone 904-230-3993
triplecrownsports@litestream.net |
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DecaturDad
619 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2015 : 14:29:21
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| My son is now in high school and I don't see many Triple Crown events in his future. but as a dad who spent many weekends for the past seven years at tournaments across north Georgia, I have to say that the Triple Crown ones were always the best run events. I may not have always liked the outcomes or agreed with every decision, but if I were the one scheduling the events, they would be Triple Crown when ever possible. |
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allbaseball
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Posted - 04/05/2015 : 17:39:29
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Well said Tony!
I can't believe people would ask you or anyone to work for free. The work that you and your crew perform every tournament is exceptional. If it weren't for the Trip crown over the years where would we be? Look back at the tourneys that TRIED to compete and you will see where the difference is. If not then you haven't been in the baseball world very long.
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2015 : 20:33:13
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Originally posted by teddy41
But it is also the cost of doing business as a company. Just like a construction company you know you make enough on the sunny days to cover the rainy ones. I would guess if these large tournament companies were losing money they would not keep doing it.
So, should the tournament organizations raise their prices to cover potential situations and give all the money back in the event of a rainout? You don't think construction companies do that? Of course they do. They may add 20% onto their bid for unforeseen circumstances. If those circumstances happen, they're covered. If they don't happen, that's an extra 20% profit they make. Tournaments can do that too, but the price per tournament would increase. Would that be better?
It's been about 7 years since my son played pre-hs tournaments. But even back then, triple crown put on the best, most well run and most organized tournaments. People still do USSSA and complain about the same things they did 7+ years ago. I guess they'll be around as long as teams keep entering their events.
If you don't like the terms of the tournament, don't enter it. It's as simple as that. At least they are upfront with what will happen. You can't say you didn't know. If you don't like it, don't enter it.
Also, I don't think it's anyone's business how they come up with what their expenses are. It's a private business. If they wanted to, they could charge $1000 per team to enter. And if teams would pay it, they'd keep doing it. It's called a free market. No different than any other business. Supply and demand. Let your money do the talking. I think Tony went beyond what should be expected to explain why they keep a portion of the fee. He doesn't have to do that, by any stretch of the imagination. |
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brball
615 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2015 : 22:54:28
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| It's called a contingency, every business knows about it! BTW, Triple Crown rocks when it comes to quality! |
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Critical Mass
277 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2015 : 08:34:06
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Teddy sounds bitter. Been out of youth travel for about 5 years now but believe, if you cannot afford travel ball, stay out of the game. It costs money. Not everyone has it. Not everyone deserves to have it's benefits. Teams should factor in these costs to their budgets and explain it to the parents. It rains early in the season folks...get over it.
I can remember a tourney that was run every year in the spring, near the "border" of TN & GA. That event was NOTORIUS for hanging onto all of the entry fees at the first hint of rain. I don't think they/or those folks are still running that tourney because teams quit signing up. I bet it would still be around if they refunded most of the fees in the event of a rainout instead of keep the whole enchilada due to an "Act of God"
Tourneys are a b#$%^ to run and TC does a great job. As with any business, you cant satisfy everyone all the time and in this case, regardless of the fee, it appears some people with ask for quantification just to be difficult.
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rippit
667 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2015 : 13:00:33
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THIS:
"Also, I don't think it's anyone's business how they come up with what their expenses are. It's a private business. If they wanted to, they could charge $1000 per team to enter. And if teams would pay it, they'd keep doing it. It's called a free market. No different than any other business. Supply and demand. Let your money do the talking. I think Tony went beyond what should be expected to explain why they keep a portion of the fee. He doesn't have to do that, by any stretch of the imagination."
Same can be said for academy teams. If a team is parent run, ask for an itemized breakdown of all expense to A - make sure everyone is paying their fair share and B - that no one is making money off the team. If it's run by a business that's in the business of making money to pay overhead, salaries, etc., don't you dare ask for a complete breakdown. To me that's the same as walking into a restaurant and telling them you won't pay the bill until you know EXACTLY how they arrived at the price of the steak dinner. |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2015 : 14:32:26
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Originally posted by rippit
THIS:
"Also, I don't think it's anyone's business how they come up with what their expenses are. It's a private business. If they wanted to, they could charge $1000 per team to enter. And if teams would pay it, they'd keep doing it. It's called a free market. No different than any other business. Supply and demand. Let your money do the talking. I think Tony went beyond what should be expected to explain why they keep a portion of the fee. He doesn't have to do that, by any stretch of the imagination."
Same can be said for academy teams. If a team is parent run, ask for an itemized breakdown of all expense to A - make sure everyone is paying their fair share and B - that no one is making money off the team. If it's run by a business that's in the business of making money to pay overhead, salaries, etc., don't you dare ask for a complete breakdown. To me that's the same as walking into a restaurant and telling them you won't pay the bill until you know EXACTLY how they arrived at the price of the steak dinner.
rippit, that stuff varies by team/coach. My son plays for an academy team and we got a breakdown of ALL expenses down to how much the shoes cost and even the baseballs we hand out at games to the umps.
Not all academy teams are like you experienced...perhaps we should all add that to our list of questions to ask a potential coach "will I get an itemized budget?" |
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bballman
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Posted - 04/06/2015 : 15:29:49
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
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Originally posted by rippit
THIS:
"Also, I don't think it's anyone's business how they come up with what their expenses are. It's a private business. If they wanted to, they could charge $1000 per team to enter. And if teams would pay it, they'd keep doing it. It's called a free market. No different than any other business. Supply and demand. Let your money do the talking. I think Tony went beyond what should be expected to explain why they keep a portion of the fee. He doesn't have to do that, by any stretch of the imagination."
Same can be said for academy teams. If a team is parent run, ask for an itemized breakdown of all expense to A - make sure everyone is paying their fair share and B - that no one is making money off the team. If it's run by a business that's in the business of making money to pay overhead, salaries, etc., don't you dare ask for a complete breakdown. To me that's the same as walking into a restaurant and telling them you won't pay the bill until you know EXACTLY how they arrived at the price of the steak dinner.
rippit, that stuff varies by team/coach. My son plays for an academy team and we got a breakdown of ALL expenses down to how much the shoes cost and even the baseballs we hand out at games to the umps.
Not all academy teams are like you experienced...perhaps we should all add that to our list of questions to ask a potential coach "will I get an itemized budget?"
Did your coach tell you how much they pay to the academy? How much of that money goes to field maintenance, how much to the electric bill, how much to the water bill, how much to have no one run the scoreboards (sorry, I had to throw that jab in  ). I believe where you are CaCO3Girl, each player pays around $185 to play at the park. 69 teams listed, say an average of 14 kids per team. That totals $178,710 in player fees for the park. Do you get a breakdown of what they spend that on? Or do you get we paid this much for uniforms, this much to enter tournaments, this much for balls and this much to the park?
What these posters seem to be asking is much more specific than I think what you are getting. A park (academy) is not likely distributing their operating budget. That is what people are asking of the tournament organizations. |
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CaCO3Girl
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Posted - 04/07/2015 : 09:40:31
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I know rippits back-story and they wanted to know how their money was being spent. They didn't receive a budget at all just asked to fork over money, and never told how much went to what. For example, our budget included year price for the following "fees".
Umpires
Coaches fees
Indoor rental & Field Rental
Scorebooks, misc.
Misc. Banking Fees
Balls
Triple Crown fee
USSSA Registration fee
19 Tournaments (5 Fall; 14 Spring)
Cleats
Turfs
Batting gloves
Helmet
Bat bag
Jersey -
Jersey - Dri Fit
Jersey - Dri Fit (FALL)
Hoodies
Game pants 2 Prs.
Socks
Belts
Hats |
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2015 : 14:27:30
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Here is what Tony said about the costs associated with a tournament that is rained out. I think it is pretty specific and a further breakdown is not needed. Just like any other business, there are costs associated with doing business. Tony listed many of them below. Whether the tournament is held or if it is rained out, there are still costs. There are also the fixed costs that don't go away whether a tournament is held or not. These guys are doing this for a living and to feed their families. It is not charity work. And it is A LOT of hard work that doesn't go away because it rains at the last minute.
Personally, I think $100 is a fair price to pay. And come on, we're talking $100 for the team. If your team has 14 kids on it, that's $7.14 per family. Are we really making this big a deal out of $7.14 per kid? Come on guys, get over it.
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Originally posted by TripleCrownAdministrator
Yes we do have a RAINOUT POLICY in place to protect our business and be able to cover all of the costs incurred to run a tournament....even if it gets rained out due to weather! We have award costs, staff costs, driving my own personal vehicle to the event and back with gas, royatlies back to my corporate office since I am a franchise owner, and then there is my time in putting the event together! Do you work for free at your job???? Well I do put in quite the hours in preparation every single day and week for all of my events in which you have overlooked! Also I have done better in many cases than what our corporate policies have stated. I have moved teams full entry to another event later in the 2015 spring baseball season and kept teams happy with our product over the long haul!
Also I know that you do not see what goes on behind the scenes at any of our events, but my staff goes above and beyond the call of duty to get the tournament in if at all possible. This includes breaking out my two shop vacs with extension cords, rakes, and quick dry to pump water off the fields the night before so that the teams have a chance to play baseball in the morning. I am not asking for any kind of recognition, but we have had severe weather and rain over the last two months to start the season and my shop vacs have taken quite a beating!
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2015 : 14:41:32
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Originally posted by bballman
Here is what Tony said about the costs associated with a tournament that is rained out. I think it is pretty specific and a further breakdown is not needed. Just like any other business, there are costs associated with doing business. Tony listed many of them below. Whether the tournament is held or if it is rained out, there are still costs. There are also the fixed costs that don't go away whether a tournament is held or not. These guys are doing this for a living and to feed their families. It is not charity work. And it is A LOT of hard work that doesn't go away because it rains at the last minute.
Personally, I think $100 is a fair price to pay. And come on, we're talking $100 for the team. If your team has 14 kids on it, that's $7.14 per family. Are we really making this big a deal out of $7.14 per kid? Come on guys, get over it.
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Originally posted by TripleCrownAdministrator
Yes we do have a RAINOUT POLICY in place to protect our business and be able to cover all of the costs incurred to run a tournament....even if it gets rained out due to weather! We have award costs, staff costs, driving my own personal vehicle to the event and back with gas, royatlies back to my corporate office since I am a franchise owner, and then there is my time in putting the event together! Do you work for free at your job???? Well I do put in quite the hours in preparation every single day and week for all of my events in which you have overlooked! Also I have done better in many cases than what our corporate policies have stated. I have moved teams full entry to another event later in the 2015 spring baseball season and kept teams happy with our product over the long haul!
Also I know that you do not see what goes on behind the scenes at any of our events, but my staff goes above and beyond the call of duty to get the tournament in if at all possible. This includes breaking out my two shop vacs with extension cords, rakes, and quick dry to pump water off the fields the night before so that the teams have a chance to play baseball in the morning. I am not asking for any kind of recognition, but we have had severe weather and rain over the last two months to start the season and my shop vacs have taken quite a beating!
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SSBuckeye
575 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2015 : 09:59:21
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| Tony is the best in the biz, and he does work with teams to get them in later tournaments as he says. The OP is certainly entitled to his opinion, but would not expect a ton of support on this topic. Keep it up, Tony! |
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hshuler
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Posted - 04/08/2015 : 19:01:18
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| Agreed! There are a lot of bad TD's out there and Tony is NOT one of them. On occasion, we have special requests and he's been willing to accomodate us every time. |
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4thekids
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Posted - 04/20/2015 : 15:27:36
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| Confirm for me please, Triple Crown charges $100 or is it $150 as their site says? |
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