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jscoda
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 Posted - 08/28/2008 : 15:48:45
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Until your son has experienced both...meaning being a full time starter and rarely comes out (everyone loves that situation) or you son is a sub who comes in sometimes (now you fill in the blank....when the team is far ahead, when he wont cost us, when the coaches son is tired) now nobody who is a sub longs to be in that role. I have been in both situations. The sub role is very subjective. Is the coaches' son really one of the top players or is dad coaching so his son will make a travel team and get to play....that is a real question. Earn playing time...nice try. The starters are selected before the first game. Resting pitchers and catchers or when playing mulitple games seems to be the only reason some starters sit out. And lets not forget who gives the most money. After all we don't want to get our cash cow angry....think about it next time your son is sitting and you don't know why. And..they are kids...when I was a kid having fun with my friends was far more important than winning. These guys haven't gone through puberty yet.....you don't know what they will become. My oldest is more interested in cars and girls......and I don't blame him |
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greglomax
1031 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2008 : 17:05:56
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Sportsdad,
I think people's interpretation of "Playing time earned" differ somewhat. That may include having 2 catchers that are equally beneficial to the team alternating games. One catches and the other sits out knowing he is going to catch the next game. They have both earned their playing time because they have worked and developed as they were asked. There are many other such examples which include the use of pitchers as well. Not implying that there will be kids pitching only, but if they are pitching a game later in the day, they may not play the current game. |
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greglomax
1031 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2008 : 23:10:34
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JSCODA,
You may be right in some circumstances but this all started about a team that has NO DAD COACHES.
I am sure this statement will surprise some but this is the last post I will offer to this topic.
To all those that have given negative opinions:
Those who offer opinions about whether it is right or wrong for a parent to let their kid play on a team with 15 players are virtually saying "You don't know what is best for your own kid." I take exception with that as there is NO ONE out there that knows better about what is BEST for MY child that I DO. Everyone has opinions about whether it is right or wrong for THEIR child to play in that circumstance, and they know well enough if it is right for them or not, but to expand out to tell others that it is wrong for someone elses child is meddling into business that is not your own.
I hope everyone finds the right opportunity for their child and has a wonderful season. |
Edited by - greglomax on 08/29/2008 09:03:54 |
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triple7
20 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2008 : 23:47:50
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| Yes, you are lookin at pitchers and catcher. I saw a team were 6 boys played all the time. When other boys were good as them. When those 6 boys made errors they weren't pulled out of the game due to "playing time being earned". They were left in cause their dads were coaches, asst. coaches. I wish more coaches look how you do. Mr. Lomax. I think thats what a good COACH is. It being earned. Thanks so much |
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SportsDad
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 11:16:03
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"Those who offer opinions about whether it is right or wrong for a parent to let their kid play on a team with 15 players are virtually saying "You don't know what is best for your own kid." I take exception with that as there is NO ONE out there that knows better about what is BEST for MY child that I DO."* * greglomax
I agree with you on that, and if you read my post on it, you'll see where I clearly state... "Every parent at that age must decide whats best for their kid.."and "I didn't say it was wrong for all...I'm just saying "let the kids know up front what you plan on doing"
From what I've seen over the years, the majority of problems occur when coaches aren't neccesarly completely up front...and it works both ways...If you tell the parents up front that this is my philosphy, on winning, playing time, and although things may change, this is where I envision your son's role on the team, than it should be very easy for a parent to make the decision on whether or not "this is the best opportunity for my son" and it should also decrease some of the complaining by parents throughout the year..It's really tough to argue against the point, "I let you know before you joined the team,what my views were and what role I envisioned your son in." Oh and I've seen it work the other way.."parents complaining about not winning, and not playing the best kids." In that case too, I think the coaches didn't clearly define their philosphy prior to having kids join the team...I think the majority of problems occur when coaches send out mixed messages...If you truly are going by "playing time is earned" than let the parents know up front...I plan on playing my best players the majority of the time, and the rest will be subs, with limited playing.
I too hope everyone finds the right opportunity for their child and has a wonderful season...I also hope every coach conveys openly what his philosphies are, so parents have the imformation and the knowledge to make the decision on what they feel "is best for my son."
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wbbrown
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 11:36:32
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| Everyone has their opinion about what may be the best situation for a player, but reality is that most of these young men, @ 13 and up, are getting ready to enter high school. The next 4 or 5 seaons may be the last for the majority of players. with the exception of football, you will compete each season for a very few roster spots. earning one of these spots is a victory in itself. It does not guarantee playing time or that your team will be ultra competative. With any luck, a young athlete will be fortunate to play for a coach that is just as interested in developing young men as he is in developing elite athletes. Win or lose, play alot or play a little, these young men will learn life long lessons that will be applied daily. The lessons are worth far more than any scoreboard victories. Just my two cents worth. Best of luck to all this upcoming season. |
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biged
198 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2008 : 12:26:19
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This is why u see such turn over from year to year. The bottom tier kids/parents become disgruntled and they move on, only to become digruntled again at the end of the next season. The Core kids remain w/the original team.
This is a new season and hopes are high. This year will be the year that my child finally gets the right situation and right coach to help my child reach the potential I Know He is capable of achieving. And if things work out my boy can get a scholarship. Wake up folks, it is supposed to be fun. Me personally could not imagine spending three to four hours a day practicing baseball in college when there is so much more to experience ie.grils, lots and lots and lots of them. |
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jscoda
123 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2008 : 15:22:55
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I never stated what is best for anyone. Just what happens most of the time. I don't care where you play no more than you care where I play. A happy, well rounded kid is what I am trying to achieve. Play college ball, great. Not play college, no problem. That is not his measuring stick, sports.
And the dad issue is ever present. Yes you are now in the paid coaches / volunteer coaches without kids on the team situation but those guys cannot do it all by themselves and poof....here are some guys willing to help, which I think is great. But everything has its price. Honestly you have seen the dad in the dugout, son on the field issue. So he made an error or two.....doesn't all the kids?
Good luck. I hope your son has fun no matter which team he chooses.
At least mom wont have to wash the uniform with Amway. |
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CHIEFOFSMOKE
46 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2008 : 10:55:43
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| What is the final count of 13U teams and who are they ? |
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greglomax
1031 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2008 : 15:59:40
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I have not heard that there is anything different than was originally listed:
Astros
Stallions
Longhorns
Braves
Shamrocks
Braves
Chargers
Warriors |
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goyard
217 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2008 : 20:24:13
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| Scratch one of the Braves and add one Combat :) |
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greglomax
1031 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2008 : 22:08:36
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Sorry about that. I started changing my mind on the order half way through. My apologies to the Combat team. The omission was definately not intended.
Practice time will work itself out. As usual there will be practice time over at Mt. Bethel as well as at EC.
There was the rumor of less younger age teams this next year. If so, that could shift the 11U's to fields 7 & 8 more while the 12 use field 4 and share field 6 with the 13U's. Not to mention, until HS ball is out, there may be opportunities on field 3 up top.
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13UECBparent2
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Posted - 09/03/2008 : 08:44:51
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Originally posted by greglomax
Sorry about that. I started changing my mind on the order half way through. My apologies to the Combat team. The omission was definately not intended.
Practice time will work itself out. As usual there will be practice time over at Mt. Bethel as well as at EC.
There was the rumor of less younger age teams this next year. If so, that could shift the 11U's to fields 7 & 8 more while the 12 use field 4 and share field 6 with the 13U's. Not to mention, until HS ball is out, there may be opportunities on field 3 up top.
Where there's a will, there's a way.
Not sure what you mean by "order," greglomax. Not sure that you can order the teams when they haven't even started playing yet. Other than the Astros maybe, the best way might have been alpha order. Not sure that your opinion to how they should be "ordered" is either accurate or fair. IMHO, that is. |
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jay
177 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2008 : 09:38:18
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Greg, You're typically very informed. I'm surprised you've tripped up so much in recent days.  The word is that there are actually more younger teams than last year (84-85 up from 71?). Looks like 1 new 12U, 2 new 11U's, 5 new 8-10's.
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greglomax
1031 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2008 : 12:27:10
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Jay,
Apparently I have too much going on these days and not getting good intel. . I wonder if all those younger teams will be planning to practice at EC or have alternate locations. Also, I wonder if EC will still be using the field at Pope for the younger teams. I am not sure how booked that ever got.
13UECBparent2,
My reference to ordering was simply first based on what came to mind, then I thought about ascending or decending. There was no attempt to imply pecking order in any manner. No one should disagree that we will never know the order until teams get on the field, and then it becomes subjective, anyway. |
Edited by - greglomax on 09/03/2008 15:33:25 |
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goyard
217 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2008 : 15:44:16
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| Easy guy's - knowing Lomax, "order" was a figure of speech and not of MEASURE. He wouldn't drop that type of bomb right smack dab in the baseball community :) |
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coachdan06
433 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2008 : 15:47:10
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Im glad to hear that resolved.
For one crazy moment I thought we were going to start even 'ranking' the ecb players themselves .
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bball-fan
89 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2008 : 16:53:13
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| How many teams are there this year in the 9's and 10's? |
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jd1159
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bball2008
100 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2008 : 20:56:12
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I think there are 4 in the 9's:
Team ECB
Braves
Vipers
Raptors
I think there are 4 in the 10's as well:
former Astros
Longhorns
Scorpions
Bulldogs
These are in no particular order. |
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greglomax
1031 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2008 : 21:08:48
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| Boy Coachdan, wouldn't that open up a can of worms. Who even knows where to start with that. Subjectivity out the wazoo. |
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CHIEFOFSMOKE
46 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2008 : 13:18:39
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Websites for 13u teams
Looks like Astros,Combat, Stallions and Warriors have updated sites with updated rosters
Chargers and Braves - sites with either no or old rosters
Shamrocks and Longhorns do not of know of website |
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greglomax
1031 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2008 : 19:52:48
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| Any word on the Shamrocks? I have not heard much from them lately. Hopefully all is coming together well. |
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13uECB
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 23:04:41
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Astros
Stallions
Longhorns
These teams are looking strong for 2008-09 season. |
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bigdog
231 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2008 : 09:05:31
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| Any link to see Longhorn roster for 2009? |
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