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23sDad
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 Posted - 07/15/2014 : 17:10:00
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12u team playing in 13u tourney. 12u pitcher WEARS OUT the other team. They simply could not hit him. 13u coach gets tossed for arguing balls & strikes. Parents are chirping. Players are agitated. 12u team wins. Players line up after the game for high fives, fist bumps, etc. One of the 13u players literally punches some of the 12 yr olds in the chest or stomach, hard enough that one of them is in tears! When approached, the 13u parents say "Oh, that's just boys being boys!" TD says " I didn't see it, so I'm not getting involved."
What would you do?? |
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turntwo
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Posted - 07/15/2014 : 18:17:01
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| Find little Johnny, and approach his dad. Especially, if my kid was 'sucker punched'. I'd let his pops know what a low class piece of trash he and his boy were. If pops got chirpy with me, he'd come to realize how protective of my kid I am. But then again, there's worse places to spend the night, then county lock-up. |
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 07/16/2014 : 06:18:21
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| I have seen all kind of crazy behavior from the losing team when they are beaten by a younger team. Chalk it up to them being sore losers and be proud of your boys' accomplishment. This is a teaching opportunity for you on how to win with humility and lose with dignity. |
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rippit
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Posted - 07/16/2014 : 10:07:02
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| Did you address things with the opposing coach(s)?? |
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nfbaseball
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Posted - 07/16/2014 : 10:25:28
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This was far from the case. I was there and saw what happened. 12U coach was adamant that there was an apology or police will be called. Boy apologized, but the coach did call the police. Cooler heads did not prevail. Police came and could not believe they were called for this. I think they were actually embarrassed that they were called.
What was left out was that one of the mom's (same boy of 12-U team) went up to one of the 13-U players (not the one accused of the action noted above) and poked him in the chest saying were you the one that hit my son. She did not know who did this and was wrong to accuse someone that he was the one who did this.
Also, not all the parents said "Oh, that's just boys being boys". So please be careful calling a team "classless jerks". We are all protective of our kids and should be. But do not accuse all. The incident only involved two kids, not all of the boys on both teams were part of the incident, so generalities calling the team sore losers is not correct. Many of the boys were very graceful in defeat and told the winning team good game and complimented them on their play.
The 12-U boy did pitch a nice game, you could tell the 13-u boys were having an issue with timing of the slower speed. Also the 12-U team played some nice defense. Game was close 5-2 score.
Regarding the 13-U coach being tossed, the umpire behind home plate was about as bad as an umpire could be. The catcher's were sliding to catch balls in the dirt and out of the strike zone and the balls were called strikes. Very inconsistent zone by the umpire. At one point, a strike was called that was over the shoulders of one of the players. It was hot and it was his third game behind the plate on Saturday. Calls were bad on both sides.
Absolutely, this is a learning lesson for all involved. The winning team should be proud of their accomplishment. They played a nice tournament, the losing team should know what they need to work on after a game like that and how to push through adversity. Learning lesson for all.
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jacjacatk
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Posted - 07/16/2014 : 16:09:09
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Originally posted by nfbaseball
This was far from the case. I was there and saw what happened. 12U coach was adamant that there was an apology or police will be called. Boy apologized, but the coach did call the police. Cooler heads did not prevail. Police came and could not believe they were called for this. I think they were actually embarrassed that they were called.
Threatening to call the police, and then actually doing so, given the situation described (and that the descriptions are accurate) is fairly nonsensical, but I've been involved in similar situations, and adults aren't always a bastion of reason.
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Originally posted by nfbaseball
The 12-U boy did pitch a nice game, you could tell the 13-u boys were having an issue with timing of the slower speed. Also the 12-U team played some nice defense. Game was close 5-2 score.
Regarding the 13-U coach being tossed, the umpire behind home plate was about as bad as an umpire could be. The catcher's were sliding to catch balls in the dirt and out of the strike zone and the balls were called strikes. Very inconsistent zone by the umpire. At one point, a strike was called that was over the shoulders of one of the players.
You should avoid deflecting blame this way, it sounds like sour grapes. If your players can't "time the slower speed" of the opposing pitcher, then he's doing exactly what he should to beat you. Your players' future coaches, especially in HS, aren't going to put up with losing because the other guy's pitcher isn't good enough. And blaming the ump, especially if he wasn't actually biased, isn't going to fly either. |
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23sDad
36 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2014 : 19:29:15
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| NF, not splitting hairs here but 3-4 boys mentioned being hit, the 12U mom was madder than a hornet & looking for who punched her son, & the police said the coach was right to call instead of trying to retaliate. The "apology" came after the police were called. When the TD said he couldn't do anything, 12U coach didn't know what else to do. All could have been handled differently, but should have never happened in the first place... |
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mikepayne
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Posted - 07/17/2014 : 11:20:47
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| I am with turntwo on this one. You can bet the team that lost has drama everywhere they go. They should be all apologies instead we are hearing about an upset mom (can hardly blame her) and an inconsistent strike zone. Give me a break. |
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Domingo Ayala
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Posted - 07/17/2014 : 12:35:03
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Originally posted by turntwo
.... But then again, there's worse places to spend the night, then county lock-up.
You should try the veal in lock-up, it's surprisely good! |
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nfbaseball
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Posted - 07/18/2014 : 08:25:34
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jacjac - I agree with you, the boys need to adjust. And those that did hit him adjusted. I was complimenting the pitcher for a well tossed game. However when an umpire is calling a strike which was one foot outside the zone, or bouncing just behind the plate and called a strike, what do you do as a player. It reminded me of the Braves / Marlins series when Eric Gregg's strike zone was a foot wider than the plate.
Mikepayne - this team has not had drama everywhere they go. The team has played with class all season regardless of the outcome of the game.
I wish the events did not occur, this is not what you teach children from either team. It sets a bad example across the board. As said earlier, this is a teaching lesson for all. I wish |
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Tribe
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Posted - 07/19/2014 : 10:54:28
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Was the 13U player who threw the punch(es) immediately dismissed from his team? If not, the 13U coach deserves whatever criticism he receives here and elsewhere.
When 13 year-old boys are are throwing punches in the "good game" line, it signals a breakdown of coaching and parenting.
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Hobgood 1
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Posted - 07/31/2014 : 19:54:39
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| I am the coach of the 12u team and the pitcher was my son. It was the first time he had ever pitched from the new mound distance and did a great job. The boy came threw the line busting everyones knuckles and sucker punched him in stomach knocking the wind out of him. I asked to speak to his dad and he thought it was fine. The coaches and the tournament director chose to do nothing about it so I called the police. I as coach much teach my players the proper way to handle situations on and off the field. If I was a dad in the stands without being a role model for young men it would of been handled quite differently but I hope the boy learned a lesson and never does anything like that again |
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AllStar
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Posted - 08/04/2014 : 16:34:25
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Originally posted by Hobgood 1
I am the coach of the 12u team and the pitcher was my son. It was the first time he had ever pitched from the new mound distance and did a great job. The boy came threw the line busting everyones knuckles and sucker punched him in stomach knocking the wind out of him. I asked to speak to his dad and he thought it was fine. The coaches and the tournament director chose to do nothing about it so I called the police. I as coach much teach my players the proper way to handle situations on and off the field. If I was a dad in the stands without being a role model for young men it would of been handled quite differently but I hope the boy learned a lesson and never does anything like that again
Good on you. Shame that had to happen, but good that one of the adults stepped up and made sure that it was addressed. |
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