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teddy41
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 Posted - 06/22/2014 : 16:13:52
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Which do you prefer? with most of the places now days you have 2 options play on team full of dad coaches or join a academy team where you have lots of swinging doors where they bring in a new kid each week or just want your money and provide little else.
I may have had bad experiences but seems like that is the options i find. I think more and more i like high school ball where you have neither. |
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ABC_Baseball
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Posted - 06/22/2014 : 20:19:03
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My kid plays at an academy and we couldn't be happier. We do sometimes work with the guys at the academy, but we are at a younger age group where there are a bunch of dads coaching. It has worked out great and it can for everybody "IF" you have a group of honest parents / coaches that are "ALL" realistic about what their kids can do.
Not one coaches kid bats 1-4 and the starting SS isn't a coaches kid. The biggest thing is "TRUST." I've heard people say that you should get with a good group of parents and kids and not chase wins while always looking for a better team. We are a AAA team and have a winning record. A great group that is truly a team and coached by dads! |
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teddy41
421 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2014 : 20:37:35
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| i am confused..your son plays for an academy but the dad's coach? whatever your doing seems to be working |
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ABC_Baseball
90 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2014 : 22:58:18
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| I'm not sure its done this way with the older kids, but a lot of teams will come from a rec. park and play under an academy name. Seems that once they get a litter older then some move to paid coaches where dads are not involved. |
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Ross
60 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2014 : 13:01:20
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| One Daddy Ball experience - awful. Two academy experiences with professional coaches, no Dad's allowed on the field ever, excellent. |
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hshuler
1074 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2014 : 16:34:16
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I am a dad coach and have seen both scenarios work. Going into it, I made sure that I would never be accused of daddy ball. My son bats at or near the bottom of the lineup.
I told him going in if he is slightly ahead or tied with another player that he loses. So, he's been conditioned to not care about where he hits or plays. I can honestly say that he has not asked me about moving up in the lineup in two years. It's usually the parents who care anyway. |
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AllStar
762 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2014 : 17:29:02
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Get rid of all the dad coaches and have about 4 teams in the state at the younger age levels.
Which might not be a bad thing after all.... |
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teddy41
421 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2014 : 18:05:47
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| i have had dads say they are harder on their own kid than others...i often say that really is not fair to your own kid either. |
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hshuler
1074 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2014 : 20:13:04
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Teddy - I got criticized for this on another post but I don't really push my son in sports. I will help when he wants help but I never ask him to hit, throw a bullpen or do extra work. He has to lead that process. Does he frustrate me sometimes? Heck yeah! But I never want him to feel like his performance determines my approval.
Allstar - Not all dads have the hidden agenda of trying to create an advantage for their kid. There some good and bad dads and good and bad academy coaches. |
Edited by - hshuler on 06/23/2014 20:35:12 |
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ABC_Baseball
90 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2014 : 21:17:42
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I will say that our coaches are hardest on their own kid. I'm the same way and I think most dads are. As a dad, you know what they are capable of, when you see them half step or just not focused, it does frustrate you. You do hear the groans from all the parents when a kid makes an error, takes a bad swing at a bad pitch, gets picked off or is not alert while running the bases. I think we all understand that the coaches and the parent(s) are the only ones that can be critical at those times.
I think once out of 40+ games I got onto him between innings about play in the field this season. I may get criticized for it, but on a scale of 1 to 10, I'm about a 4. He is an excellent hitter so I don't have to say anything, his approach couldn't be any better, he has had enough lessons and knows what he is doing at the plate. In the field, he has the skills to be every bit as good as he is at the plate, but this is his first year being in the outfield full time.
I personally believe that if they are to rise to the occasion and reach their maximum potential, they do need someone to hold them accountable. Yes our coaches do get onto them every so often, but its by no means harsh. We have developed a pretty good relationship with one of the owners at the academy, his word when working with my son on pitching "When I started gettin' on your butt, you started doing better." |
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AllStar
762 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2014 : 12:21:58
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quote:
Originally posted by hshuler
Allstar - Not all dads have the hidden agenda of trying to create an advantage for their kid. There some good and bad dads and good and bad academy coaches.
Couldn't agree more. I was being sarcastic because people talk about "dad coaches" like they are the bane of travel ball existence. My son is done now, but when he was 12 we played exactly 2 teams in 54 games that were not coached by dads.
We were 2-1-1 against them, but more to the point, one of them looked like it was universal misery from the Head Coach to the parents to the players. He chewed the kids out for a good 30 minutes after our game. Our worst "dad" experience was better than what they were going through.
On the other hand, getting rid of dad coaches would solve the ripoff tournament issue because there wouldn't be enough teams for tournaments. (sarcasm again) |
Edited by - AllStar on 06/24/2014 14:37:51 |
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hshuler
1074 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2014 : 16:15:52
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| AllStar - I honestly never wanted to coach my kid but his first coach just didn't know the game. So, it wasn't just about my son but every other kid too! I can't wait to just sit quietly (sarcasm) in the stands and be a dad. |
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AllStar
762 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2014 : 08:37:21
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Originally posted by hshuler
AllStar - I honestly never wanted to coach my kid but his first coach just didn't know the game. So, it wasn't just about my son but every other kid too! I can't wait to just sit quietly (sarcasm) in the stands and be a dad.
Totally agree. I coached my son's teams through 13U because I felt like I would care about all 12-13 of the players, not just mine. I worked as hard on that as I did on my job. It was stressful and time consuming, but worth every minute in retrospect. It used to kill me when I couldn't even get someone to run the scoreboard when it was our responsibility. Here I am spending the equivalent of a full-time job on the team and all these dads who had so many opinions and so much feedback suddenly became stone-faced mutes when asked to pitch in even minimally.
From reading your posts it sounds like your players are better off because you did decide to step up. Thanks for doing that.
I definitely take complaints about "dad coaches" with a big ol' grain of salt. |
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hshuler
1074 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2014 : 16:53:47
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| Thanks for the kind words. I am sure that it works both ways but there are lots of dads who could coach at academies but have other day jobs. :-) |
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