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Jabosmom25
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 Posted - 11/11/2013 : 18:12:54
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| I was just wondering if its common practice for an Academy to charge to remove a player from its roster when the player leaves to go play for another team? |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2013 : 09:27:39
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| I thought that I had heard it all but this one is new even to Papa. |
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2013 : 10:19:24
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The only way that it would make ANY sense to me at all is if there were already some outlay of money by the team and each parent or family hadn't fulfilled THEIR obligation. If you played the entire fall and there were coach fees, uniform and tournament fees as well as facility fees, you are obligated to be whole on those before leaving (in my opinion). If there was an installment plan and a family was under water with what they owed relative to what had been paid, then those should be paid before moving on.
In that case, I could see where a team might hold a family hostage on a roster release until their obligation had been paid so that other families weren't out because someone chose not to fulfill their commitment. I'm not saying that the full season should be paid, but I do believe that a family should pay for whatever portion they were obligated for the time they spent with the team.
Otherwise, doesn't make much sense to me unless they're being vindictive. |
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bballman
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Posted - 11/12/2013 : 10:35:54
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| I never heard of it either. The only thing I can think of is if there were fees incurred while with the team that the player still owes. Such as if a uniform was ordered or there were tournament fees outstanding. Some type of expense that the team cannot recuperate that the player is responsible for. |
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Jabosmom25
10 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2013 : 15:28:54
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The fees had all been paid. The season was over. He was joining a new team for fall ball and the Academy he played for would not release him until $200.00 was paid. I had never heard of it, but like I said, we are we to travel ball.
He had played for the team for about 3 years, and was just looking for another fit. |
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Jabosmom25
10 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2013 : 15:37:53
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| Sorry for the typo, goofy auto correct. Lol. We are *new* to travel ball |
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2013 : 16:18:29
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| That is NOT common at all. If you ask me, it is flat out wrong. Never heard of such a thing. I wouldn't recommend that program to anyone. |
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T13
257 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2013 : 17:36:28
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Contact the organization director (USSSA, etc), a parent can get a player released....
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Critical Mass
277 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2013 : 18:11:21
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| That's extortion folks. Must have a release from a USSSA roster? |
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743
215 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2013 : 09:09:25
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We were on a fall team a few years ago, paid about half the funds for fall and spring up front, got uniforms, bags, helmets etc. We played 1 fall tournament, and 1 of the other players parents and I realized this team was going to be a disaster come spring. Bad coaching, daddy ball, players in positions they have never even played before on and on. Coach wouldn't even meet with us to discuss the situation, both of us leave after this 1 fall tournament. Coach would not give us any of our money back and wanted every piece or equipment we paid for? Told us he would not release any of us until we gave the equipment back. We were even charged for "private coaches" that never worked with my or the other kid? I believe prices were jacked up so dad didn't have to pay for his son to play too. Emails and phone calls were made to that organization and it fell on deaf ears. we paid the money just to get away from that disaster.
Needless to say we never played there again and karma is coming back to haunt the coach. He has had one of the highest turnover rates of any coach in that organization. |
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zwndad
170 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2013 : 19:18:59
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Getting back to the original question ... I had my guys in travel baseball for a combined 17 years, usually year-round ... and the youngest is still doing the travel thing. I have NEVER heard of having to pay money to get released from a team AFTER your commitment is over. If you and they had already fulfilled all commitments, that is just WRONG. Shame on them.
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nastycurve
244 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2013 : 10:21:29
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| as a parent, you can get your son removed from any roster, usssa, triple crown, nations, grand slam, etc. Just look on the web page for the area/regional director and send them an email and let them know the situation. |
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Gametime13
38 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2013 : 17:40:29
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| Thanks for all the information guys! I will definitely let anyone else in this situation know who to contact! |
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funnyhop
74 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2013 : 21:07:48
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Once you finally get officially released from the roster, please let everyone know on this blog which team it was.
No way, no how should anyone get involved with an organization like that. |
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nastycurve
244 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2013 : 00:43:14
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| I agree 100% |
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wareagle
324 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2013 : 07:20:48
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| Is this a standard policy of this academy? Was a parent contract signed stating that there was a release fee? Different organizations bill in different ways. My younger son plays for a team that does not charge upfront but charges a monthly fee for 12 months to try to spread out the cost and they do have a release fee if you do not complete the entire year(not the season). Always seemed fair and pretty upfront in his situation |
Edited by - wareagle on 11/15/2013 09:40:57 |
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Craig19TEAM
41 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2013 : 22:10:47
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| I know this organization that they are talking about. They have that removal fee because it was a year round program (12 months) so it's cheap dues and it's not a season to season program. There was contracts signed at the beginning of the season and they still gave the player/families the option to get out of their contract right after the fall season. If the family chose to stay that was their priority to stay. Also, when this organization has players that play for a spring or fall season only, there is NO removal fee. Please make sure you hear all the facts before judging an organization. People do not tell all the facts. |
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Jabosmom25
10 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2013 : 14:38:31
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| Well I guess there is always two sides, actual and perceived. I just don't understand the concept of forcing a child to stay on a roster if they are not happy. Why would a ball team want a kid on their team if they don't want to be there? And what happens if the parents can't afford the removal fee? I understand contractural obligations, but things change, situations change...roster spots shouldn't be held hostage. |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2013 : 16:08:02
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You can't be held on a roster for ANY reason! None of these teams own the players. You can be made to pay a contractual agreement concerning not fulfilling your part of the agreement in a court of law. Like T13 said you can get released if you call the (USSSA, etc....) director. So, if the academy wanted to take you to court from your agreement they could. I've never seen that happen.
You can be frozen on a roster with a team that qualifies for another tourney as a result of winning a tourney.
It's sad that a team or academy would have this written into any agreement. Buyer beware! |
Edited by - Gwinnett on 11/22/2013 19:13:39 |
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wareagle
324 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2013 : 19:31:29
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In no way is the academy doing this as a bad thing. This particular academy has paid coaches ect that the make commitment to. They do not get any money upfront except for uniforms if I remember correctly. Team budgets ect are set based on commitments made from parents! Honor your commitment or pay 200 dollars.
If it is a strictly financial issue then there is no reason to need a release because you will not be able to afford to play on another team anyway. I am not familiar with all the details in this particular circumstance but I see no problem with the acsdamy's release policy. |
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wareagle
324 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2013 : 19:39:35
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| Yes they can call utrip and get released but they should pay what's due. If people don't pay it affects all the other kids on the team! Then the acsdamy will just have to collect money upfront which may affect the whole team. I don't think that most academy's that charge upfront give much of a refund if you leave early? Only difference is when payment is recieved. |
Edited by - wareagle on 11/22/2013 20:17:58 |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2013 : 22:12:15
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On the flip side I've never seen a team or academy refund money when a kid got injured (and couldn't play) and the parents paid in advance?? Or the family gets transferred with work and the parents paid for the season in good faith??
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AllStar
762 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2013 : 14:00:13
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Originally posted by Gwinnett
On the flip side I've never seen a team or academy refund money when a kid got injured (and couldn't play) and the parents paid in advance?? Or the family gets transferred with work and the parents paid for the season in good faith??
I did on my 14U team. Player had paid for the full season, but had to play for his school's JV team. Practiced twice and played one preseason game with us before his school team started. He got seriously injured on his school team and couldn't play until the next Spring, so I refunded the whole amount.
Our treasurer said he wouldn't have done that. I said that's why I didn't take a vote. |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2013 : 15:24:59
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It's nice to see or hear about when somebody does the right thing!
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Originally posted by AllStar
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Originally posted by Gwinnett
On the flip side I've never seen a team or academy refund money when a kid got injured (and couldn't play) and the parents paid in advance?? Or the family gets transferred with work and the parents paid for the season in good faith??
I did on my 14U team. Player had paid for the full season, but had to play for his school's JV team. Practiced twice and played one preseason game with us before his school team started. He got seriously injured on his school team and couldn't play until the next Spring, so I refunded the whole amount.
Our treasurer said he wouldn't have done that. I said that's why I didn't take a vote.
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Is this common??
