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christheump
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 Posted - 06/24/2013 : 14:58:48
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Originally posted by 3boydad
Appreciate the conversation but getting back to the topic...How do we as travel ballers in Atlanta get rid of the bad umps? I don't want my teams going to the plate with a 'i better swing at everything mentality' for this game but not the next one. Bad umps exist, face it they exist in the system and I don't see them going away unless there is a system/process. Anyone at the triple crown in Cumming this weekend, the ump crew at Midway for 10's was terrible, how can we improve the ump crews?
Think about "Yelp" for umps. There are plenty of restaurant owners who think their reviews are biased but Yelp has survived and thrived. Same for Tripadvisor. Why not create a fan based rating system, umps will be rated relative to the baseline stats, you're either way above or way below the baseline and tourny directors/rec parks can use the ratings to get rid of the bad ones. Anyone like the idea?
How would identify them?
Like I said previously, you are asking for biased opinions from people that sometimes dont know the rules of the game themselves. You would be inviting confrontation because when someone happens to look at the reviews they now have a preconceived notion that this guy is bad, when in fact he might not be, except for the fact that a call didnt go your way, and when the first sign of a "bad call" everyone sitting behind the fence would get caught up in mob like frenzy all because one parent read someones opinion and told everyone else this guy is a bad ump because you read about it on the internet.....slippery slope you would walking along. |
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AllStar
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Posted - 06/24/2013 : 15:36:19
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Originally posted by 3boydad
Appreciate the conversation but getting back to the topic...How do we as travel ballers in Atlanta get rid of the bad umps? I don't want my teams going to the plate with a 'i better swing at everything mentality' for this game but not the next one. Bad umps exist, face it they exist in the system and I don't see them going away unless there is a system/process. Anyone at the triple crown in Cumming this weekend, the ump crew at Midway for 10's was terrible, how can we improve the ump crews?
Think about "Yelp" for umps. There are plenty of restaurant owners who think their reviews are biased but Yelp has survived and thrived. Same for Tripadvisor. Why not create a fan based rating system, umps will be rated relative to the baseline stats, you're either way above or way below the baseline and tourny directors/rec parks can use the ratings to get rid of the bad ones. Anyone like the idea?
They all work for somebody. I always used to deal with NUA. I don't know where TC and USSSA get their umps, I thought it was the same organization. They have a web site and you can determine who is in charge, contact him and see if he would be open to a process. Post-game surveys or something along those lines. As implied earlier in the thread, they would probably be heavily negatively biased.
If everybody completed the survey, you could probably read them blind and tell whose team won and whose team lost. |
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jacjacatk
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Posted - 06/24/2013 : 22:31:25
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Originally posted by 3boydad
Appreciate the conversation but getting back to the topic...How do we as travel ballers in Atlanta get rid of the bad umps? I don't want my teams going to the plate with a 'i better swing at everything mentality' for this game but not the next one. Bad umps exist, face it they exist in the system and I don't see them going away unless there is a system/process. Anyone at the triple crown in Cumming this weekend, the ump crew at Midway for 10's was terrible, how can we improve the ump crews?
Think about "Yelp" for umps. There are plenty of restaurant owners who think their reviews are biased but Yelp has survived and thrived. Same for Tripadvisor. Why not create a fan based rating system, umps will be rated relative to the baseline stats, you're either way above or way below the baseline and tourny directors/rec parks can use the ratings to get rid of the bad ones. Anyone like the idea?
Start by recognizing that a substantial majority of umps aren't bad, and that you should expect the umps at a given level to be about as good as the players at the same level (relative to whatever level you want to judge them against).
Fan-based ump reviews would result in essentially every ump being rated badly. I've literally never attended a travel or HS game where someone wasn't bitching about the umpires, and over several hundred games I've only been at a couple where anyone could really have had a legitimate gripe. |
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stafcoach8
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Posted - 06/25/2013 : 08:17:55
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| Remember this. An umpire does not beat a good team. A bang bang call usually goes in favor of the play not the team. No umpire wakes up and says "Hey i like the color red today so i will call in their favor". Play the game and remember to show respect in order to receive respect. |
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CenterField
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Posted - 06/25/2013 : 09:10:30
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| We recently had a championship game heavily influenced by a blown call at 1B in the bottom of the 6th inning. I know that its tough to make calls in a 2-man crew when you don't have good angles and when multiple runners are on base. The main issue I have is when the umpire will not take the extra effort to put himself in the right position to make the call. I see some umps flying all around the infield to get in position and talking with their counterpart about who has got what base during a play. Then I see other guys that don't move a total of more than 5 feet during an entire game. |
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christheump
351 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2013 : 09:17:30
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| It seems the words "you suck" usually follow a close play on a judgement call.... Jim Joyce is a great umpire that would of had a whole lotta people giving him a bad rating..... |
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Spartan4
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Posted - 06/25/2013 : 14:16:02
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Originally posted by christheump
It seems the words "you suck" usually follow a close play on a judgement call.... Jim Joyce is a great umpire that would of had a whole lotta people giving him a bad rating.....
IMO with a call that obvious MLB should have stepped in and made the call right. There were no runners to move or anything like that. Just a clean "out" call and the game is over. I understand why they don't but that's a case where it wouldn't have hurt a thing. The case with the blown HR call that was missed AFTER REPLAY!! And the umpire not knowing the freaking rules are also inexcusable. If "human element" gets coaches and managers fired and players sent down to the minors then there should absolutely 100% be a measuring stick for MLB umpires, Joe West is another good example of when the umpire becomes the show instead of officiating the show. But with youth ball I just don't think there are that many good umpires out there, the majority are decent but very few great umpires out there. They must be up an age group or something. |
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christheump
351 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2013 : 14:56:42
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Originally posted by Spartan4
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Originally posted by christheump
It seems the words "you suck" usually follow a close play on a judgement call.... Jim Joyce is a great umpire that would of had a whole lotta people giving him a bad rating.....
But with youth ball I just don't think there are that many good umpires out there, the majority are decent but very few great umpires out there. They must be up an age group or something.
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jacjacatk
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Posted - 06/25/2013 : 14:57:30
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Originally posted by Spartan4
But with youth ball I just don't think there are that many good umpires out there, the majority are decent but very few great umpires out there. They must be up an age group or something.
This is what should be expected, the best umpires tend to move up, just like the best ballplayers. Given that the pool of umpires will be more static than the pool of players, the talent floor is probably higher for the umps than it is for the players, but the ceiling might also be lower, such that at younger ages you mostly get just averagish umpires, with not that many standouts one way or the other.
More people need to try watching games they have no rooting interest in, where they can pay attention to the umpiring dispassionately, and see if they come away with as bad an impression generally as they do in the games they do care about. |
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bballman
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Posted - 06/25/2013 : 16:11:09
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Originally posted by jacjacatk
More people need to try watching games they have no rooting interest in, where they can pay attention to the umpiring dispassionately, and see if they come away with as bad an impression generally as they do in the games they do care about.
I think this is an excellent idea!!
And yes, the better umpires move up and ump the older kids and then into HS and college. If an ump is really good and wants to continue in his craft, he will usually take the higher level games. However, I don't care how high up you go, more than likely, if you are there to see your kid play, the ump will make "bad" calls against your team. I have come to believe and see that umps also make "bad" calls against the other team. We tend to just let them go since they were in our favor. I have always taught my son - and he agrees now - that the calls will work themselves out in the long run. You get some for you and some against you. It's not the end of the world. Accept it, move on and overcome it. That is the sign of a true player, and fan. |
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Gwinnett
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Posted - 06/25/2013 : 17:09:32
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I agree, bballman. Of course, it's no fun when they make that bad call against your team, but, I've seen them make just as bad calls against the other team....
You win some and lose some. I've learned to just accept it.
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Originally posted by bballman
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Originally posted by jacjacatk
More people need to try watching games they have no rooting interest in, where they can pay attention to the umpiring dispassionately, and see if they come away with as bad an impression generally as they do in the games they do care about.
I think this is an excellent idea!!
And yes, the better umpires move up and ump the older kids and then into HS and college. If an ump is really good and wants to continue in his craft, he will usually take the higher level games. However, I don't care how high up you go, more than likely, if you are there to see your kid play, the ump will make "bad" calls against your team. I have come to believe and see that umps also make "bad" calls against the other team. We tend to just let them go since they were in our favor. I have always taught my son - and he agrees now - that the calls will work themselves out in the long run. You get some for you and some against you. It's not the end of the world. Accept it, move on and overcome it. That is the sign of a true player, and fan.
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NUA Umpires
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Posted - 06/29/2013 : 21:24:23
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| Very simple. take your suit and tie off and Become one. see ya at the fall camp. www.nuaumpiresusa.org dates will be posted late July- |
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How do we get rid or bad umpires?
