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4bagger

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Posted - 03/06/2013 :  09:42:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
When seeding using Win-Loss record as the first criteria, how are ties factored in?
Does a team with a record of 1-1-0 automatically get seeded higher than a team with a 0-0-2 record? Are they the same win percentage so you need to move to the next seeding criteria?
Certainly 0-0-2 seeds higher than 0-2-0.

Edited by - 4bagger on 03/06/2013 09:43:35

LLH

98 Posts

Posted - 03/06/2013 :  10:47:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A tie counts as 1/2 a win and 1/2 a loss.So the team that went 1-1-0 would have the same record. Meaning you should go to the next tie breaker which is usually runs allowed.
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mrbama31

252 Posts

Posted - 03/06/2013 :  11:47:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LLH

A tie counts as 1/2 a win and 1/2 a loss.So the team that went 1-1-0 would have the same record. Meaning you should go to the next tie breaker which is usually runs allowed.



Not in my experience... 1-1 seeds higher in most formats than 0-0-2.

Most tournaments seeds based on ...
1.Most Wins
2.Least Losses

And ties do not come into play...Meaning 1-1 has 1 win... 0-0-2 has no wins...

Therefore 1-1 seeds higher..

When comparing no win teams....0-0-2 has no losses...0-2 has 2 losses...therefore...0-0-2 seeds higher than 0-2 or 0-1-1
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spliter

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Posted - 03/06/2013 :  12:16:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[quote]Originally posted by LLH

A tie counts as 1/2 a win and 1/2 a loss.So the team that went 1-1-0 would have the same record. Meaning you should go to the next tie breaker which is usually runs allowed.

If this is the case the 0-2 team should have been seeded higher. Someone boo booed.
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Dr. Old School

314 Posts

Posted - 03/06/2013 :  15:54:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
LLH is right. Anyone seeding differently is doing it incorrectly. It seem wrong, but a tie is a half win and a half loss, so they have the same record as a 1-1 team. Next tie breaker usually comes runs allowed.

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4bagger

131 Posts

Posted - 03/06/2013 :  21:41:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think a little more clarity from TDs would help. The statement "First criteria is Win-Loss" does not tell you if they mean highest winning percentage (1-1-0 = 0-0-2) or if they mean most wins/least losses (1-1-0 seeds higher than 0-0-2 which seeds higher than 0-1-1).
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LLH

98 Posts

Posted - 03/07/2013 :  06:52:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maybe the original post should have mentioned the tournament organization. My reply was for how Triple Crown does it.
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CoachRB

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Posted - 03/07/2013 :  08:41:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rick Cosper

This is the correct way to seed after 2 pool play games.

Wins are seeded 1st:
2-0-0 - 2 wins
1-1-0 - 1 win - tie is better than a loss
1-0-1 - 1 win - 1 loss.

No wins are seeded next:
0-2-0 - no loss
0-1-1 - one loss
0-0-2 - 2 losses
(look at the loss column, from top to bottom it goes- 0 - 1 - 2)




Generally, it goes wins - losses - ties.
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Dr. Old School

314 Posts

Posted - 03/07/2013 :  10:48:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rick,
I think you swapped these two up. Your description is right but the the wins/losses/ties are backwards.

This is what you had:
1-1-0 - 1 win - tie is better than a loss
1-0-1 - 1 win - 1 loss.

This is what you meant, I believe:
1-0-1 - 1 win - tie is better than a loss
1-1-0 - 1 win - 1 loss.


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Rick Cosper

450 Posts

Posted - 03/07/2013 :  15:18:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Was late when I posted the 1st time.

This is the correct way to seed after 2 pool play games.

Wins are seeded 1st:
2-0-0 - 2 wins
1-0-1 - 1 win - tie is better than a loss
1-1-0 - 1 win - 1 loss.

No wins are seeded next:
0-0-2 - no loss
0-1-1 - one loss
0-2-0 - 2 losses
(look at the loss column, from top to bottom it goes- 0 - 1 - 2)

Edited by - Rick Cosper on 03/07/2013 18:33:35
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