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Baseball12x
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 Posted - 05/21/2012 : 08:05:15
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| Help me out here. If a pitcher hits the hands of a batter (while holding the bat, but not swinging), what is the ruling? Is that considered a hit batter and he goes to first or is it not. |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 05/21/2012 : 09:20:49
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| If the batter is making a legitimate attempt to get out of the way, then yes. If it's a checked swing situation, then likely not. It's always umpire's interpretation as to whether the batter is making a legitimate attempt to avoid getting hit. If the umpire feels the hitter caused the contact with a checked swing situation, then the batter usually won't be awarded first. |
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HITANDRUN
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Posted - 05/21/2012 : 09:28:07
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yep hit by pitch, it gets cloudy if he swings at the pitch. And sometimes hard to tell if it hits the batters finger or the bat. I say if the batter has been hit in the hand or finger and it is obvious give him the base. If he swung a the pitch then it has to be a strike.
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samlev01
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Posted - 05/21/2012 : 14:42:41
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| If the batter offers at the pitch, i.e. begins to swing, it is considered a foul ball. If he does not offer at the pitch, it is a hit by pitch and he takes his base. I had an argument with an umpire about this last summer at the McCann Invitational when my son was hit on the hands trying to get out of the way. The ump called a foul ball. I argued the call but was not successful during the game. After the game, I pulled up the rule, showed it to him and the ump apologized and stated he did not know that rule very well. Ugh..... |
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nastycurve
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Posted - 05/21/2012 : 15:04:33
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| I always heard it was "hands are part of the bat"... |
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peashooter
297 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2012 : 16:08:20
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| I had my big lefty a few years ago drill a kid in the chest 2 times in a row as he swung the bat....of course he was now 0-2 and walked him 8-)!! |
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coachtony
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Posted - 05/21/2012 : 18:35:02
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Originally posted by Baseball12x
Help me out here. If a pitcher hits the hands of a batter (while holding the bat, but not swinging), what is the ruling? Is that considered a hit batter and he goes to first or is it not.
You were very clear in your description that he was holding the bat but not swinging. If the ball hit the batter ANYWHERE (hand, head, pinky toe, or even that little spot under his shoulder blade) and he was not swinging and he was not in the strike zone then he was by definition HBP and is awarded first base.
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Originally posted by nastycurve
I always heard it was "hands are part of the bat"...
You heard wrong ;) When you have some time Google "40 Biggest Baseball Rule Myths" and check out #1 on the list ;)
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Originally posted by samlev01
If the batter offers at the pitch, i.e. begins to swing, it is considered a foul ball. If he does not offer at the pitch, it is a hit by pitch and he takes his base. I had an argument with an umpire about this last summer at the McCann Invitational when my son was hit on the hands trying to get out of the way. The ump called a foul ball. I argued the call but was not successful during the game. After the game, I pulled up the rule, showed it to him and the ump apologized and stated he did not know that rule very well. Ugh.....
When the ball hits a batter it is never a foul ball. It is either a strike because he was swinging (or in the strike zone) or it is HBP. It is never a foul ball. In fact, if he swings at strike 3 and the ball hits him he is out. In your son's case, you were right...the umpire should have never called a foul ball. It should have either been HBP or a strike.
Coach "not umpire" T ;) |
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2012 : 19:58:36
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Tony,
Dorrect on all counts. And in addition, there is a time where getting HBP will result in a call of a "ball".
If the batter makes no attempt to avoid being touched by the ball;
If the ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a strike, whether or not the batter tries to avoid the ball. If the ball is outside the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a ball if he makes no attempt to avoid being touched. |
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Jacked-up
59 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2012 : 14:21:41
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Is the ball live if called strike since batter over the plate and made no attempt to swing? And 3rd strike, ie, do you have to throw to first to get him out (assuming 1st not occupied).
If the batter is hit in helmet which is in strike zone, and called strike (no attempt to swing) and then the ball bounces 100 ft down line and 3rd strike, is the ball live???
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Originally posted by in_the_know
Tony,
Dorrect on all counts. And in addition, there is a time where getting HBP will result in a call of a "ball".
If the batter makes no attempt to avoid being touched by the ball;
If the ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a strike, whether or not the batter tries to avoid the ball. If the ball is outside the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a ball if he makes no attempt to avoid being touched.
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2012 : 15:19:01
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Originally posted by Jacked-up
Is the ball live if called strike since batter over the plate and made no attempt to swing? And 3rd strike, ie, do you have to throw to first to get him out (assuming 1st not occupied).
If the batter is hit in helmet which is in strike zone, and called strike (no attempt to swing) and then the ball bounces 100 ft down line and 3rd strike, is the ball live???
According to MLB Rule 6.08(b), The ball would be dead, no runners would advance. So you have to read into it a bit, but that would apply to the batter, so with the dead ball, strike 3 would result in a strikeout and not considered a "dropped 3rd" since it's a dead ball upon contact and the batter now has three strikes. Official MLB wording below (I omitted (a) which basically says 4 balls=a walk).
6.08 The batter becomes a runner and is entitled to first base without liability to be put out (provided he advances to and touches first base) when --
(b) He is touched by a pitched ball which he is not attempting to hit unless (1) The ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, or (2) The batter makes no attempt to avoid being touched by the ball;
If the ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a strike, whether or not the batter tries to avoid the ball. If the ball is outside the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a ball if he makes no attempt to avoid being touched.
APPROVED RULING: When the batter is touched by a pitched ball which does not entitle him to first base, the ball is dead and no runner may advance.
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Originally posted by in_the_know
Tony,
Dorrect on all counts. And in addition, there is a time where getting HBP will result in a call of a "ball".
If the batter makes no attempt to avoid being touched by the ball;
If the ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a strike, whether or not the batter tries to avoid the ball. If the ball is outside the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a ball if he makes no attempt to avoid being touched.
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coachtony
236 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2012 : 15:47:05
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Originally posted by Jacked-up
Is the ball live if called strike since batter over the plate and made no attempt to swing?
Dead Ball as soon as it hit the batter in every situation.
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Originally posted by Jacked-up
And 3rd strike, ie, do you have to throw to first to get him out (assuming 1st not occupied).
No. Batter is out. Ball is dead.
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Originally posted by Jacked-up
If the batter is hit in helmet which is in strike zone, and called strike (no attempt to swing) and then the ball bounces 100 ft down line and 3rd strike, is the ball live???
No. Batter is out. Ball is dead.
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HITANDRUN
436 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2012 : 11:59:19
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When the ball hits a batter it is never a foul ball. It is either a strike because he was swinging (or in the strike zone) or it is HBP. It is never a foul ball. In fact, if he swings at strike 3 and the ball hits him he is out. In your son's case, you were right...the umpire should have never called a foul ball. It should have either been HBP or a strike.
Coach "not umpire" T ;)
What if the ball hits the bat then hits the batter in the helmet. I saw this, this past weekend. Should be a foul ball, but player was awarded the base. We didn't complain as we felt like he earned his base. |
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coachtony
236 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2012 : 12:58:05
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Originally posted by HITANDRUN
What if the ball hits the bat then hits the batter in the helmet. I saw this, this past weekend. Should be a foul ball, but player was awarded the base. We didn't complain as we felt like he earned his base.
If he was in the batters box it is a foul ball....happens almost every inning in baseball at least once...this is why they invented shin guards. If he has already started to run and it bounces up and hits him while he is OUT of the batters box then he is out. IN NO WAY would he be awarded first base no matter how bad you felt for him. Of course, if the umpire saw it differently than you described then I take back everything I said. ;)
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christheump
351 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2012 : 14:10:48
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Originally posted by HITANDRUN
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When the ball hits a batter it is never a foul ball. It is either a strike because he was swinging (or in the strike zone) or it is HBP. It is never a foul ball. In fact, if he swings at strike 3 and the ball hits him he is out. In your son's case, you were right...the umpire should have never called a foul ball. It should have either been HBP or a strike.
Coach "not umpire" T ;)
What if the ball hits the bat then hits the batter in the helmet. I saw this, this past weekend. Should be a foul ball, but player was awarded the base. We didn't complain as we felt like he earned his base.
Foul Ball provided he is still in the batters box. |
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jacjacatk
154 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2012 : 15:24:25
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Originally posted by coachtony
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Originally posted by HITANDRUN
What if the ball hits the bat then hits the batter in the helmet. I saw this, this past weekend. Should be a foul ball, but player was awarded the base. We didn't complain as we felt like he earned his base.
If he was in the batters box it is a foul ball....happens almost every inning in baseball at least once...this is why they invented shin guards. If he has already started to run and it bounces up and hits him while he is OUT of the batters box then he is out.
Actually, if it hits him outside the batters box but in foul territory, it's also a foul ball (ignoring intentional interference with the ball by the batter). |
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F2202
63 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2012 : 00:51:56
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| Scientists at UCLA actually performed an experiment that determined the hands are indeed not a part of the bat. I was able to replicate this in my garage last weekend. I picked up a bat, and then I dropped it. When I saw that my hands were still attached to my body, I determined that my hypothesis was correct; my hands were not a part of the bat. |
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HITANDRUN
436 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2012 : 10:55:48
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| If hands were part of the bat then bat is part of the body thus every hit foul ball or tip is a HP. lol |
Edited by - HITANDRUN on 05/25/2012 11:26:36 |
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F2202
63 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2012 : 15:51:39
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Originally posted by HITANDRUN
If hands were part of the bat then bat is part of the body thus every hit foul ball or tip is a HP. lol
Sounds good to me. I'm gonna see if I can get away with this tonight. |
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OSUfan10
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Posted - 06/04/2012 : 10:13:30
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| The hand is not part of the bat. Many people think that the hand is part of the bat and that a player shouldn't be awarded first if hit in the hand. This is incorrect. As long as the batter is attempting to get out of the way and is hit in the hand, then the correct call is to award the player first base. |
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Hit batter or not? What is the rule?
