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gaustsa
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 Posted - 02/11/2012 : 00:06:33
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I have been trying to keep up with all these rules with USSSA and some of these really make me laugh. I will say this, that all sports need rules but when you can really see that the rules are more "money" motivated than what is in the best interest of the sport then it is really sad.
Rule # 1 - "THE BAT RULE" Correct me if I'm wrong but this year the bats have to have the USSSA stamp on it? Last year it was it had to have the bpf 1.15. Have the bats really changed to make it safer? I would say "money" motivated. USSSA gets kickbacks from these bat dealers and are stuffing there pockets every year.
Rule # 2 - "The KID RULE" If a kid plays on a 12U Major team and he is 11, then he can't go down and play with kids his age unless he plays on a major team? Once again lets penalize the kid because he is a good athelete. Just don't understand this one.
Rule # 3 - "Point System" Ok well this isn't really a rule but it has been talked about. The way I see it is the more tournaments you play the more points you receive no matter where you finish. what happen to being rewarded for winning?
USTSA would like to let everyone know a few of our rules.
Rule # 1 - "The Bat Rule" Bring a BASEBALL BAT, no SOFTBALL BAT, no cracks or dents.
Rule # 2 - "The Kid Rule" Fill out your online roster at USTSA, have a valid copy of insurance,and bring roster and birth certificates to tournaments.
Rule # 3 - "Point System" We have (3) different divisions. Elite(Major), American (AAA), National (AA). You earn points by winning, and our computer calculates depending on your record on what division your team is in.
It's simple "Lets play baseball"
What are your thoughts??
GO TO USTSA.NET and look futher into our rules.
Any Questions?
Thanks,
Mark Knight
mknight@ustsaeast.net
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rippit
667 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2012 : 09:40:39
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| The point system makes me laugh! There was a team looking for players who advertised themselves as ranked 5th in the state. They'd only won 1 game out of about 30 but they certainly had a lot of points!! |
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gaustsa
272 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2012 : 10:25:56
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| But hey there ranked 5th in the "STATE". |
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Mad1
252 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2012 : 11:51:56
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I agree with setting a limit on the bats, but not necessarily the USSSA Stamp. I Believe the last years bats were fine, just testing of suspect bats would have been fine.
I do believe the points system needs to be worked on though, with more emphasis on winning or finishing high in tourneys. A truer standing has always been the power ratings toward the end of the year anyway. The current point system makes the weaker teams play more tourneys to make points so they dont have to face the best teams every week in pool play.
But, I also know that I havent seen the other TD's on here cutting down the others rules, and they are filling up their tourneys...
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bballman
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Posted - 02/11/2012 : 16:47:03
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Originally posted by gaustsa
Rule # 3 - "Point System" We have (3) different divisions. Elite(Major), American (AAA), National (AA). You earn points by winning, and our computer calculates depending on your record on what division your team is in.
Thanks,
Mark Knight
mknight@ustsaeast.net
478-338-0359
I take exception to labeling the National League as the lower league 
It is obvious that the American League is the new comer in baseball and seen by everyone as the junior League. What are you, a Yankee fan? |
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gaustsa
272 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2012 : 20:18:12
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To bballman Im far from a yankee fan. That decision was made before I came on board. At mad1 The bat issue is totally a money deal. There are new bats just as "hot" as the ones that were used last year. Im not "cutting down" there rules I just laughing at some of them.
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in_the_know
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Posted - 02/11/2012 : 21:35:40
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Point systems for ALL organizations that have them are a joke, HOWEVER, it does can the discussion and bashing with the pool schedule. You guys all CRUSH Tony across all age groups when he sets the pools for Triple Crown events. He gets blamed for playing favorites, wilting under pressure of certain coaches/organizations, etc., etc.
At least with a points system, the pools are set according to points and that's the end of the discussion.
But see the points system for what it really is. A frequent shopper program designed to get you to enter more of a specific organizations tourneys to accumulate points and gain a favorable ranking/pool. |
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gaustsa
272 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2012 : 01:26:41
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Mad Scientist, Our point system will rank teams by wins and loses. Once you establish a record it will mean it will move you into certain divisions. The only way we get involved in the games and who you play is trying to help a team with a game time.
in the know, Your right in a way the point system the way everyone knows it is a joke. But times are changing, I think ours are real and actually mean something. I can tell you this when you are ranked #1 in the STATE in USTSA ranking you wont have a losing record. I wish I could come up with something better than the frequent shopper program to get teams to enter USTSA tournaments than the point system.
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Big Daddy
132 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2012 : 08:43:51
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| Gausta, to further illustrate the BPF 1.15 test is a total joke, all they do is take a brand new bat out of the wrapper and set it in a fixture. They then shoot a baseball at the stationary bat at 60 mph and measure the collapse and rebound of the wall of the bat. What is a real joke to me is that everyone knows that composite bats need to be broken in before they get "hot". Given that, you should get your kid a composite bat for a real advantage this year. The other issue is that they aren't creating a real scenario like a pitched ball at 60 mph and a swinging bat at 60 mph, which obviously creates a twice as violent an impact. I'm certain that different materials perform differently under these conditions. It's a money grab, plain and simple. |
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C. MORTON
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Posted - 02/12/2012 : 08:58:11
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| The Bat rule is just about money. The only bats that have changed are the BBCOR bats. The other bats are made of the same thing they were last year. It also a new thing that you have to play 4 USSSA tournaments to be able to play in one of 4 states. But the one that gets me is a Coach Pitch gets bumped up to the highest 9u kid pitch cause they were good at coach pitch. Big differance there to me. |
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gaustsa
272 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2012 : 17:48:29
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Big Daddy, thanks for a little more proof that its just for the money.
C. Morton, give USTSA a try. |
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oldschooldad
203 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2012 : 22:03:58
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Originally posted by gaustsa
Big Daddy, thanks for a little more proof that its just for the money.
C. Morton, give USTSA a try.
GAUSTA - do you test bats to determine if they've been altered?
You bring it, you swing it sounds great until a kid get hurt on a come backer.
The new bat rules may be nothing more than a money grab but the bats ARE different this year. Rules about composites have changed. But new rules or not, bats are being altered, rolled, and/or shaved.
Why not make a real difference and start testing bats. You bring it, they test it, and if okay, then you swing it.
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gaustsa
272 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2012 : 23:26:07
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oldschooldad, Our umpires inspect the bats and helmets before the games. Now I have seen some bats that have been rolled and its hard to tell they have been altered to the naked eye. I'm all for you bring it, we test it, and if ok, then you swing it. If there is something or someway of doing this let us know.
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2012 : 00:25:06
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Originally posted by oldschooldad
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Originally posted by gaustsa
Big Daddy, thanks for a little more proof that its just for the money.
C. Morton, give USTSA a try.
GAUSTA - do you test bats to determine if they've been altered?
You bring it, you swing it sounds great until a kid get hurt on a come backer.
The new bat rules may be nothing more than a money grab but the bats ARE different this year. Rules about composites have changed. But new rules or not, bats are being altered, rolled, and/or shaved.
Why not make a real difference and start testing bats. You bring it, they test it, and if okay, then you swing it.
Does ANYBODY test bats???USSSA/TC/Grand Slam/USTBA?? Not that I'm aware of. I watched a kid get his eye opened up and the team running the tourneys team dad took the bat...Of course the bat was given back before the next game because there was no way to test the bat(nothing they could really do) No youth facility that I am aware of tests the bats...FYI the hottest bats last season(the small barrel composites) were NOT changed at all and DO NOT require the same stamp(pretty sure that is how the rule reads?). In 11/12U the bat that caused the most drama is legal and I'm sure there will be kids swinging it again. Just bought a bat this afternoon and it is the EXACT same paint job and bat as last years it just has a little meaningless stamp on it. The bat manufacturers really shafted the parents on this one and it is a shame there is nothing that we can do about it......This was a combined effort from bat companies and USSSA.....Money grab at its best
I agree we should have mandatory testing...Wouldn't take very long and it would kill all this cheated up bat garbage.
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Big Daddy
132 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2012 : 06:45:46
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| Old School, on site testing would be a good idea but you will never remove the potential for injury from the game. A wood bat can hit a come backer just as easily and just because a ball bounces off metal or composite at 100 mph, and wood at 89 mph, it's still faster than a humans reaction time in many cases. Shaving a bat is where the end cap is removed and material is turned off the inner wall of the bat to make it thinner, thus more bounce. That's a big no-no in my book. Rolling on the other hand isn't as big a deal to me as it just accelerates the break in process. No alterations, just rolling the OD of the bat to break the composite material inside the bat. It saves about 1000 swings. Why don't we just all go to wood anyway. That would solve it! |
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HITANDRUN
436 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2012 : 08:36:57
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| My take make all bats BBCOR. Whatever the material or whatever they did to the college and hs bats, have the younger groups do the exact same thing. Will be very similar to using wood bats but without them breaking. |
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excoach12
159 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2012 : 13:29:30
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Nit and Run has it right and I am betting that is already part of the plan.
This BPF garbage is just a way to sell alot of bats now and for the next 2 or 3 years and then they will switch it again.
Great money making scheme because UTrip and the others know the travel community will keep paying for their tourneys and all this will fade away in a few years.
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DecaturDad
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Posted - 02/13/2012 : 15:20:18
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Originally posted by Big Daddy
Old Why don't we just all go to wood anyway. That would solve it!
My son told me this weekend he just wants to swing wood. As he said; "They having been using wood for 65 years." However, if he can hit 10% further with a U trip bat, is he being fair to his team by not using the best tool available to him? |
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gaustsa
272 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2012 : 00:13:27
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| DecaturDad, So sounds like we need a USTSA Wood Bat League?? |
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HITANDRUN
436 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2012 : 09:18:35
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| I would imagine these non BBCOR bats even with a stamp can hit probably another 30 to 40 feet compared to a wood bat, some composites even further. The BBCOR bats will probably hit slightly further than a wood bat maybe 10 feet, but the chance of it breaking or having to buy a new one is a lot less with BBCOR than wood. |
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CAN WE JUST PLAY BASEBALL?????
