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T13
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 Posted - 02/09/2012 : 12:19:40
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| What are thoughts on TD's splitting Sunday bracket? Seems it helps teams who aren't developing pitching?...doesn't help teams with deep pitching and rewards teams with 1st place points even though the really didn't win tourney.... |
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Mad1
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Posted - 02/09/2012 : 15:37:26
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| Not for it. Most of this i think is in open tourneys, if you gonna do this, then seperate classifications to begin with. Ive seen some open tourneys where Major teams are in lower bracket with aa and single a teams. |
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SOGAS
143 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2012 : 18:57:53
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| I don't like the split bracket at all. Like the previous poster, I would rather see them broke down into classes than split brackets. If you going to have an open tournament let it be winner take all. 1st place points for a consolation bracket just does not seem right. |
Edited by - SOGAS on 02/09/2012 19:49:00 |
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Jack-of-Diamonds
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Posted - 02/09/2012 : 19:16:33
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Personally, I think it's a great way for more teams to come away from a tournament with a positive experience. It also increases the number of teams that can be accommodated. However, I do agree that the points situation is not right (and I assume we're mainly talking USSSA on that issue).
It would make more sense if the silver bracket were playing for consolation points and bragging rights only... not the same points as gold and no trophies.
I don't know that the winner of silver should necessarily get fewer points than the lowest one in gold, but certainly not the same as the winner of gold. What would make sense to me is, for example, in a typical Qualifier that awards 75 pts to 1st, 55 to 2nd, 45 for a 3rd (usually 2 teams), 30 each for all 5th's and so on... give the winner of silver, say, 40 pts, then go 25, 15, 10, 5 and 0. I'd also like to see a notation on the finish listing, like "1s" for a silver win, "2s" for 2nd in silver, etc... |
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Dr. Old School
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Posted - 02/09/2012 : 23:16:58
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It should be all about playing games. Win to keep playing and if you can win it, great. The only drawback to the split brackets is that you can possible get a top tier team that has a bad pool round and ends up in the "Silver" bracket and whips up on everyone. Other than that it gives teams that may not always be contending for the championship to be able to play for a 2nd tier championship.
How can that be bad? |
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Hurricane
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Posted - 02/10/2012 : 09:56:51
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I like the idea of splitting tournaments only if you can seed correctly to begin with and match up pool play games where you don't have teams that can possible be in the finals or semis playing in pool play and knocking a really good team to a lower bracket where they end up beating up on weaker teams. I rather them split the competition from day one as some of you have suggested. If you think you are major but can't win a bracket game you probably need to move down for the next tournament.
Why have AA teams playing Major teams in pool sometimes it does nothing for either team. You still have the same number of teams playing just let them all play teams of their own caliber to begin with.
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stepoff
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Posted - 02/10/2012 : 12:55:21
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| I like the automatic berths to Myrtle Beach - for finishing first in the Bronze bracket which equates to something like 35th overall... I agree with with splitting but the only reward should be that you finished on a high note. This way a top team does not lay down in pool play so they can run through brackets at a lower level and still earn their points and berths. |
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Peanutsr
171 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2012 : 17:13:16
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The other way to get an automatic birth to Myrtle Beach is to write them a check.quote:
Originally posted by stepoff
I like the automatic berths to Myrtle Beach - for finishing first in the Bronze bracket which equates to something like 35th overall... I agree with with splitting but the only reward should be that you finished on a high note. This way a top team does not lay down in pool play so they can run through brackets at a lower level and still earn their points and berths.
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SOGAS
143 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2012 : 08:42:40
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| I just think split brackets take away from the tournament. Who wants to see a 7 or 8 team tournament split brackets for the elimination round. If I know in advance, I try to avoid those small number of team tournaments with split brackets. |
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Jack-of-Diamonds
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Posted - 02/23/2012 : 14:35:38
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I haven't seen splits with 7 or 8 teams overall. Not doubting that it can happen, but most splits announced in advance have a higher threshold that triggers split brackets.
I'm pretty sure a lot of times it has to do with the number of fields in use for the age group too. For example, with two fields and 16 teams you almost have to split. You're pushing it to get 7 games a day in on each field. A single bracket of 16 requires 15 games to play out, one too many for two fields. But, if you split then each separate bracket of 8 teams requires 7 games which is do-able on a single field. And, if you've got that many teams you've already got 16 pool games, so using Saturday night for some 1st round brackets is tough.
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Originally posted by SOGAS
I just think split brackets take away from the tournament. Who wants to see a 7 or 8 team tournament split brackets for the elimination round. If I know in advance, I try to avoid those small number of team tournaments with split brackets.
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Edited by - Jack-of-Diamonds on 02/23/2012 17:55:19 |
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Splitting tournaments?
