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rippit
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 Posted - 02/03/2012 : 19:57:25
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Should the coach/coach's kid get special perks? How about the team mom/ dad their kid?
I ask because so many do and so many are so slack in doing their job.
Yes,it's a job that they agreed to do pay or no pay.
Dont "volunteer" and then expect favors or slack based on your position. If you can't do the job, then don't offer. |
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excoach12
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Posted - 02/03/2012 : 20:28:15
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As a travel team playing out of a recreational park we are required to man the concession stand a couple times during the season.
The only "perk" the coaches get is that they do not have to work the concession stand, the rest of the families cover it.
Of course, the best perk for the coaches is getting to work with the kids and teach baseball.
Otherwise, we all pay the same fees at the same time and follow the same rules. |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 02/03/2012 : 21:31:12
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What is your definition of a perk? The fact that coaches don't pay gate fees is a perk, and a well deserved one. I don't think that their kids should be entitled to any perks that every other kid on the team isn't entitled to, so I'm not sure what you mean.
I do believe that alot of coaches make a tremendous effort and often have a greater financial commitment (extra balls, scorebooks, etc., that they never get reimbursed for), but they also have access to additional equipment, have a greater say in schedule, etc. I am fine with those "perks" and see it as something they deserve for the sacrifices and effort they make. If you played on a team where you felt the coaches didn't do enough to warrant such perks, then you were probably on the wrong team for you.
Give some specific examples of what you're referring to. |
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11UFAN
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Posted - 02/04/2012 : 10:58:23
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Good coaches absolutely deserve perks. The time, effort, sacrifice and money they put into their teams is usually unknown by the parents. Not to mention all the crap they have to put up with from us parents.LOL
Having said that, if you don't like the team/coach you are playing for go find another one, trust me, your current team will get by just fine without you. |
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baserunner
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Posted - 02/04/2012 : 21:13:58
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I'm kind of curious what you mean by "perks" as well. If you're talking about the coach's kid getting undeserved playing time then that's just Daddy Ball, and we all know how how that goes.
The only perk I've ever seen a team mom get is maybe a gift card or spa coupon at the end of the the season. Otherwise, it's basically a thankless job. |
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Koheleth
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Posted - 02/06/2012 : 09:26:03
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Is it just me, or are you coaches OVERLY sensitive to any issue that is critical of coaches?
On one hand, I don't see why you, as a coach, would respond to an issue that is NOT representative of you and how you coach.
On the other hand, I know some of you coaches and you're responding as if you're completely innocent of criticism, when in fact, you ARE NOT.
Another observation, some of the best coaches (coaches and their programs that are often mentioned on this board) don't even get on this board; I guess they're too busy coaching their teams and running their programs.
As to perks, i think you would have to enumerate.
however, I would add, in the past, we parents have had to do BP and other warmups as all the coaches aren't there, and when they do arrive late, they pay no gate fee, it has been a point of pondering for me. But, then I get busy doing BP and forget about it. It can make you wonder why! |
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Dr. Old School
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Posted - 02/06/2012 : 11:28:06
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The one perk I have seen some head coaches extend to themselves is not having to pay for their kid to play on the team.
The total fees are divide by N-1 (with N being the total number of players on the team including the head coaches kid).
I have always disagreed with this as strongly as I have with a coach being paid when he has a kid on the team.
Now the other perks like these below, I believe are warranted:
* Getting into a tournament without paying a gate fee
* Planning the schedule around your own conflicts
* Your son getting first dibs at the uniform number he wants
* keeping the bucket of used balls after the season
* Coaching staff uniforms covered in the player fees (which if they had a kid on the team, they would pays some percentage of anyway)
* Getting a free room if a tournament offers one if your team books at least 10 rooms with their preferred hotel options
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HITANDRUN
436 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2012 : 12:45:43
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quote:
Originally posted by Koheleth
Is it just me, or are you coaches OVERLY sensitive to any issue that is critical of coaches?
On one hand, I don't see why you, as a coach, would respond to an issue that is NOT representative of you and how you coach.
On the other hand, I know some of you coaches and you're responding as if you're completely innocent of criticism, when in fact, you ARE NOT.
Another observation, some of the best coaches (coaches and their programs that are often mentioned on this board) don't even get on this board; I guess they're too busy coaching their teams and running their programs.
As to perks, i think you would have to enumerate.
however, I would add, in the past, we parents have had to do BP and other warmups as all the coaches aren't there, and when they do arrive late, they pay no gate fee, it has been a point of pondering for me. But, then I get busy doing BP and forget about it. It can make you wonder why!
As far as not showing up at a game early there is no excuse for that. Parents shouldn't have to warmup kids or throw BP. That is like parents running practices too. If the coach is a paid coach that is part of what he is getting paid for. That should have been talked about before the season started. No gate fees for coaches of course they shouldn't have to pay. Should umpires pay? No. Both should be working coaches and umpires. |
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2012 : 13:40:37
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To whom are you directing your post? If it's to me, I don't coach. My response is from my perspective as a parent and realizing that the guys who coach my kids are putting forth a great deal of effort without much reward. Did I ask them to do so? No, I didn't. They volunteered and do so for their own reasons. Perhaps some of them have selfish reasons for coaching, but I realize that there are some perks that come with doing so and I don't begrudge them for it.
I have read all the replies posted to the OP, and I don't see any that appear overly sensitive or even remotely appear that any of the replies are from a coach who believes himself above reproach.
If you see that, you and I are clearly reading the replies differently. I guess you can read into (or out of) them whatever you wish.
If, as it appears in your case, the coaches weren't doing what you felt was expected, then you are probably on the wrong team. There are issues that go far beyond a gate fee there. If your coaches are performing to a degree that you are satisfied with, then their gate fee should be the furthest thing from your mind.
I remain curious as to what the OP considers perks. Nothing but crickets from rippit since the original post.
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Originally posted by Koheleth
Is it just me, or are you coaches OVERLY sensitive to any issue that is critical of coaches?
On one hand, I don't see why you, as a coach, would respond to an issue that is NOT representative of you and how you coach.
On the other hand, I know some of you coaches and you're responding as if you're completely innocent of criticism, when in fact, you ARE NOT.
Another observation, some of the best coaches (coaches and their programs that are often mentioned on this board) don't even get on this board; I guess they're too busy coaching their teams and running their programs.
As to perks, i think you would have to enumerate.
however, I would add, in the past, we parents have had to do BP and other warmups as all the coaches aren't there, and when they do arrive late, they pay no gate fee, it has been a point of pondering for me. But, then I get busy doing BP and forget about it. It can make you wonder why!
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rippit
667 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2012 : 15:59:52
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Originally posted by in_the_know
To whom are you directing your post? If it's to me, I don't coach. My response is from my perspective as a parent and realizing that the guys who coach my kids are putting forth a great deal of effort without much reward. Did I ask them to do so? No, I didn't. They volunteered and do so for their own reasons. Perhaps some of them have selfish reasons for coaching, but I realize that there are some perks that come with doing so and I don't begrudge them for it.
I have read all the replies posted to the OP, and I don't see any that appear overly sensitive or even remotely appear that any of the replies are from a coach who believes himself above reproach.
If you see that, you and I are clearly reading the replies differently. I guess you can read into (or out of) them whatever you wish.
If, as it appears in your case, the coaches weren't doing what you felt was expected, then you are probably on the wrong team. There are issues that go far beyond a gate fee there. If your coaches are performing to a degree that you are satisfied with, then their gate fee should be the furthest thing from your mind.
I remain curious as to what the OP considers perks. Nothing but crickets from rippit since the original post.
quote:
Originally posted by Koheleth
Is it just me, or are you coaches OVERLY sensitive to any issue that is critical of coaches?
On one hand, I don't see why you, as a coach, would respond to an issue that is NOT representative of you and how you coach.
On the other hand, I know some of you coaches and you're responding as if you're completely innocent of criticism, when in fact, you ARE NOT.
Another observation, some of the best coaches (coaches and their programs that are often mentioned on this board) don't even get on this board; I guess they're too busy coaching their teams and running their programs.
As to perks, i think you would have to enumerate.
however, I would add, in the past, we parents have had to do BP and other warmups as all the coaches aren't there, and when they do arrive late, they pay no gate fee, it has been a point of pondering for me. But, then I get busy doing BP and forget about it. It can make you wonder why!
CRICKETS??? Cheap shot...
I was lumping many different situations we've experienced from all angles into "perks". Wrong word I guess.
Some of you hit on most of them, but it seems like no matter what you do to try to avoid certain pitfalls, somebody finds something else to rag on.
We are actually in a good situation. We'd like to keep it that way. Dad coaches should definitely pay their own way. Paid coaches shouldn't have kids on the team. Daddy asst. coaches need to heed the decisions made by the paid head coach (if there is one). Parents don't need to volunteer on ANY level if they do so simply to get "stuff". Stuff = free uniforms, extra hats/tshirts/whatever, the whole family's gate fee paid etc. Don't volunteer unless you are prepared to make that commitments which includes being there, every time, on time. Please don't let your other kids run amok on the field or in the cages. If somebody picks up your dinner or lunch then it's because they chose to not because it was expected.
I guess what I'm trying to say is watch out for certain pitfalls because even when you are squeaky clean there are some parents out there looking for any reason at all to make you look bad. I wish those people didn't exist, but they do.
Yeah, I feel like a couple of you got defensive in the last couple of days, but I'm choosing to leave it alone. There are others who can argue those points. |
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OnDeck
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Posted - 10/30/2012 : 11:36:24
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Came across this old post trolling through and wanted to put in my 2 cents. First of all we love our coach. He's a volunteer and his son is one of the best players on the team. No daddy ball which we love. Second of all we love his wife who is the team mom and also a volunteer. The assistant coaches are paid coaches and don't have kids on the team.
I have to disagree with Old School that I think it is more than fair for the coaches kid to play for free. The amount of hours that the coach and his wife put in outside of their regular 9 to 5 job and even outside of their time at the field is why we love our team. And we're a good quality competitive travel team that plays in major tournaments, all because of the time and dedication that this family puts in to the team. I am more than happy to pay a little bit of money to help cover the cost of their son.
Our coach doesn't have to pay gate fees since he's a coach but that's because he's working during the game not like us parents who are just there to watch and cheer. His wife does pay the gate fee and sometimes me or another parent will cover it for her as a courtesy. The team does pay for the coach to have jerseys and hats but we don't pay for his gas to get to an from every practice multiple times a week. Plus the gas that team mom pays to go to tournaments because they usually drive separate since Coach carpools players and coaches to the field for pregame.
I think it is ridiculous that people think a $20 gift card at the end of the season is thanks enough for a volunteer head coach. Some parents on my own team would disagree with me but I think it is only fair that the coach's kid plays for free. In our area travel ball is about $2500 for the whole year (low estimate). If you divide that by 12 months then divide that by 11 remaining players (12 players minus coach kid) which is a low estimate of an average roster then it comes out to each family paying $19 per month. This is less than $5 per week or $1 per practice/game each week in exchange for the Head Coach to teach our kids. Our paid coaches make WAY more than that and they don't put in the extra work of lineups, coordinating tournaments, umpires, etc. that the Head Coach does.
Bottom line if the Head Coach is a volunteer then his kid should play for free... |
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AllStar
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Posted - 10/30/2012 : 23:39:43
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I coached for free. We paid the EXACT same as everybody else. We didn't have to work the concession stand either for the park obligation or the tournament we put on. Of course, I couldn't have worked the concession stand, I was dragging the field, making sure every game had umpires, etc., etc. I quit coaching 4 years ago and don't miss it a bit. I can still go to the field w/my son and don't have to get a bunch of cr*p from disgruntled parents.
It seems that even the smartest people on this board consistently get on the wrong team, or at least find something wrong with the team they are on. As the saying goes sometimes, "It's not me, it's you." |
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nastycurve
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Posted - 11/20/2012 : 14:01:08
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The only Perks I ever got was paying the rest of the money when families came up short, buying equipment/extra uniforms, picking up and dropping off kids who's parents were too busy to care, I mean come, to the game... :-)
The only real Perks that coaches get is seeing kids develop into adults, athletes developing into baseball players and watching kids turn a spark of potential into an inferno of talent. When a father coaches a team his son is on, he is expected to pay and do his full share to contribute to the team, often real coaches do much more.
If you are referring to the coaches who just coach a team so they can have somewhere for little Johnny to play his most desired position, then you dont need to worry about perks, you need to worry about exiting stage left... (stage right even) |
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Special perks?
