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rippit
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 Posted - 08/11/2011 : 20:25:16
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Pitcher? Hitter? Fast?
Everybody keeps talking about stud players.
Are they a stud because they aren't playing with kids kids their own size? Are they studs in all aspects of the game? Can you not win without them?
Or are they good players who lead by example? Can you have an entire team of studs?
I kinda hate the word actually. |
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dmb350
135 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2011 : 22:51:38
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Yep, the 2011 15U Astros. Studs from top to bottom.
Personally I dislike the term myself as it's used WAY too much. Typically, it's a player that dominates at whatever position he plays or at batting. It's open to interpretation just like the use of the term "Majors" team. Some are, some aren't. |
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Hiredgun
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 06:14:20
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Other terms that we use is "game changer" or "impact player" instead of stud.
This is a player that can change the outcome of the game anytime that they are in the lineup. These are that type players all teams want to have on their roster. |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 08:41:11
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| Impact player is the best way to define what some of you call a STUD. |
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 10:09:00
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1. He's the guy that you don't want on the mound facing you
2. He's the guy that you don't want at the plate with a chance to beat you
3. He's the guy that you don't want to hit the ball to when your team needs a hit with the game on the line
Basically, he stands out above the others on the field as the player who is obviously more skilled than the others without question. |
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DecaturDad
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 10:42:45
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I always thought a stud was a horse.
I never really liked it for ball players. But I agree with hired gun. It is that kid who you notice no matter what position he plays.
To add to the question: If you have a stud or an "impact player" on a AA or AAA, is he really a stud, or does that only matter if he would have the same effect on a major team? If any of our kids wenty back to rec ball, they would make an impact... |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 10:53:16
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| From what I understand a "stud" is a player that not only is good at one position but can also hit VERY well and can pitch VERY well. Three dimensional. There's great hitters and great fielders and great pitchers but when you have a kid that does all GREAT you have a stud.... Thats been my take. I prefer the term GREAT player.. |
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JoeBraxton
9 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 11:36:51
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| A kid that is playing at a level below his ability. |
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bbmom2
119 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 12:44:56
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| The kid that when he's not there, you think "oh no!" |
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rippit
667 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 12:51:16
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Originally posted by JoeBraxton
A kid that is playing at a level below his ability.
BINGO. Extra credit for you!
What's the point of being a "stud" player on an A/AA team when you can play at a higher level? Something tells me you won't be very studly for long without a challenge.
Opposite view: playing (sitting) on a team over your head. But if I go there, I'll be repeating myself. |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 14:01:37
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| I didn't clarify in my post. I was referring to a kid at the major level of his age group. My bad! |
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bballman
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 14:05:22
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Originally posted by JoeBraxton
A kid that is playing at a level below his ability.
Uh, not necessarily. What if you have a kid playing major that fits the definitions listed here. What if you have a kid that dominates at the varsity HS level.
Sure, if a kid is playing on a A team and he is a AAA player, he may seem like a stud with that group of kids. I, personally, would not consider him a stud.
You want to be considered a true stud, play against the best competition and still stand out. Be the kid who coach always puts in to pitch against the best team you are facing. All being done at the highest level. I would not necessarily consider the best player on an A team to be a stud. Same with AA and AAA. You want to be a true stud, play major and still dominate and stand out amongst your peers. |
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JoeBraxton
9 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 15:16:20
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If you are playing major level youth ball and considered a "stud" then you are still playing at a level below you ability. Until you make it to big leagues in MLB there is always a higher level that you can be playing.  |
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gamefanatic
40 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 15:31:48
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| A stud is a stud in some parents mind! |
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With-a-stick
33 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 16:28:13
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I'm nearly on-board with the rarity factor of a stud but I don't think it can be limited to the major level on the 14 and under ages. I think the stud often referred to here is the player who is playing **well** above his current team and the teams usual and typical competition.
It's all just comparison, it's not like in sports that have timed events. There are no records to break or true measured lengths to go. Each match up is unique, we've all had our ace pulled in the 1st inning against a team we've beat several times and next game our number 4 pitcher shuts down a monster hitting squad. On any given day you'll see the bottom beat the middle and very occasionally the middle beat the top.
Using USSSA GA Major listings from 2010-2011 season because... it's the only yard stick I have there are either too many studs in Georgia or too few teams in Georgia to give the term "stud" meaning:
11u - 18 teams 7.59% of total A through Major teams
12u - 20 teams 7.46% of total A through Major teams
13u - 25 teams 10.96% of total A through Major teams
14u - 31 teams 16.94% of total A through Major teams
Just a rough estimate we're looking at roughly 1000 Major players 11u to 14u in Georgia.
All studs in the top level ( #1 & #2 ) of Majors at each age? Only one top ranked team of each age maybe? Would that be too many studs or too few? And surely there are players of Major caliber play on AAA rosters that "could" play on Major teams and make a significant contribution, even with the stiffer competition? Wouldn't they fit the usual definition of a stud even though AAA? I know for sure there are players on Major teams rosters that might not belong there as well. I think it's the comparison amongst peers. You know, 20th place in the Kentucky Derby can be a stud! |
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 16:43:45
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Originally posted by JoeBraxton
If you are playing major level youth ball and considered a "stud" then you are still playing at a level below you ability. Until you make it to big leagues in MLB there is always a higher level that you can be playing.
Now, that is a true statement.
Even a stud in HS Varsity can become a dud in college. Happens all the time. |
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 17:11:47
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Studs aren't hitting .224 117 games and 442 AB's into the season. I don't care what level he's playing.
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Originally posted by baseball1
DAN UGGLA
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 19:30:31
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| So the post above made it sound like every kid playing on a major team is a stud?? I completely disagree with that, there are kids on major teams who are pitiful....I would look at the best teams around and see if they have players who consistently seperate themselves, are they the best one or two or maybe even three kids on one of the top 5 teams in that age group. Personally I think to be a stud you should be one of the best players on a major team, otherwise you are just better than the AA/AAA talent you are wearing out week after week. |
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AllStar
762 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 21:59:35
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Originally posted by baseball1
DAN UGGLA
Good Call. I liked the acquisition just because he used to kill the Braves. I really like it now that he's heated up. |
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AllStar
762 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 22:02:16
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Originally posted by bballman
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Originally posted by JoeBraxton
If you are playing major level youth ball and considered a "stud" then you are still playing at a level below you ability. Until you make it to big leagues in MLB there is always a higher level that you can be playing.
Now, that is a true statement.
Even a stud in HS Varsity can become a dud in college. Happens all the time.
So Francoeur wasn't a stud when he was a Senior at Parkview?
Then there aren't any. |
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jongamefan
218 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 23:43:00
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KNOW: how bout these #s -
32 game hitting streak with 14 home runs in those games.
Hits in 1st AB 12 of those games
STUD is his middle name :)
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Originally posted by in_the_know
Studs aren't hitting .224 117 games and 442 AB's into the season. I don't care what level he's playing.
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Originally posted by baseball1
DAN UGGLA
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 23:52:41
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Where did you get that I said that? I didn't say every HS stud was a college dud. I said even a HS stud can become a college dud. There are pre-HS studs who become HS studs (and some who become duds), some HS studs who become college studs (and somehow who become duds), some college studs who become pro studs (and some who become duds), etc... all the way up the ladder.
Franceour was a stud, no doubt. Started as a stud in MLB, and seems to have faded. I'm rooting for him to make a comeback and turn into a stud again. Unfortunately, at the level he's playing right now, he's not a stud at this time anymore - like I said, he definitely was in HS. |
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AllStar
762 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2011 : 07:05:18
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Originally posted by AllStar
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Originally posted by baseball1
DAN UGGLA
Good Call. I liked the acquisition just because he used to kill the Braves. I really like it now that he's heated up.
Dan Uggla is the 1st second baseman ever - and the 7th player overall - to hit 25 home runs in each of his first 6 seasons. |
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bbmom2
119 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2011 : 11:12:15
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I agree - Dan Uggla is a stud in my book no matter what his batting average...  |
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ramman999
241 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2011 : 11:32:40
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| a "Stud" is a standout amongst good ball players - the sort of players you can build a program around. |
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whits23
596 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2011 : 21:23:19
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What's your definition of a stud?
