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christheump
351 Posts |
 Posted - 04/14/2011 : 10:05:27
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Let's say your team was subject to a bad call or a bad game by an umpire in a tourney...a few weeks later you see the same umpire on the field for your game. Do you as parents/coaches:
A. Say/Think "Oh boy not again!"
B. Say/Think "Let's see how he does today"
C. Dont give it any thought. |
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DecaturDad
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Posted - 04/14/2011 : 10:14:26
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For me, it depends on how bad. On bad call, I don't even remember who the ump was. A truely biased or incompatent ump; on no, not again. I do have to say that in five years of ball, the number of repeat, truely bad umps has averaged less then one per season. Now, I am just a dad. I am sure there are "bad calls", I don't even catch. My son is a catcher, so what I ussually notice is the strike zone. When I ask my son where the strike zone was, and he tells me he has no clue, I remember that umpire :(
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coachtony
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Posted - 04/14/2011 : 10:25:47
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I would probably THINK to myself "A", I would probably SAY to my coaches "B", and if asked by one of my parents the answer would be "C".
Sorry, I didn't see "D - All of the above" ;)
--T
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reallycoach
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Posted - 04/14/2011 : 10:27:31
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I wouldn't get to concerned unless it's happened in multiple games. Everyone has a bad call / bad game. But if happens multiple games you start thinking the ump
1) has it in for you
2) should be umping a differnet level. IE coach pitch |
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22202
263 Posts |
Posted - 04/14/2011 : 10:28:47
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| C- as the saying goes, "Any team can be beat any day", I think rings true for Umps. They can have a bad day as well. |
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leftyrightyecb
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Posted - 04/14/2011 : 10:33:22
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| Need to move past it and just play ball. There are too many other things to concentrate on. I always said not to make their jobs so hard and play clean baseball by out-hustling the other team and calls will go your way for the most part. Not every call is going to go your way because the baseball Gods make sure of it. Keeps the world in balance I guess. |
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loveforthegame25
448 Posts |
Posted - 04/14/2011 : 18:46:51
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| I will typically give an ump a couple games. But most of us know who the good ones are and who the Oh Boy Not Agains are. |
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Hiredgun
44 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2011 : 06:18:17
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c) Don't give it any thought.
Umps are human and we all make mistakes. Let it go and move on. |
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a1prog
164 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2011 : 09:14:04
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| i would just calmly ask the man in blue if he has gone back to kmart for umpire recertification. |
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ramman999
241 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2011 : 09:26:01
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I like to give them the benefit of the doubt - I had one make a horrendous call that cost us a SNIT bracket game in 9u, and then called some great games at 10u.
In my head I say "A", but definitely verbalize "B" to my coaches and my parents.
We have a few we see regularly that make the same bad calls over and over - out's on high tags when the kid clearly slides under, doesn't call balks, made a "transfer" call on a ball that barely hit a mitt. Those are the ones you cringe about when you see them take the field. As long as he calls the game bad for both teams, I can't complain.. |
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christheump
351 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2011 : 10:15:32
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| I ABSOLUTELY blew a call this past weekend...worst call of my umpiring career. Mind thought one thing...my body said another....I gave the coach A LOT of rope that day. |
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2011 : 11:51:56
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I like to think "B" in all cases until proven otherwise by one of two things.
1. If the ump consistently proves to be poor over multiple games/tournaments, then the guy moves into the "A" column
2. If the ump is the one that is blatant & obvious about making the game about himself, that is, boisterous toward coaches and players, overt in his presentation to the point that he is commanding attention to himself, etc., then he immediately is in the "one and done" as to making into my "A-Team". |
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gasbag
281 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2011 : 12:52:55
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Christheump...question for you sir....if you knew it was a bad call, why not reverse it or confer with other blue and then reverse it ? Either way you get PO coaches but at least you can sleep at night ?
Do umpires discuss this type of situations behind closed doors and do "lessons learned" with one another etc ? I'm just curious as you guys have a difficult job. Split second calls like you mention, heat, getting questioned by coaches and parents, attitudes by same some time and in many instances, ZERO respect ! Overall, you guys do a great job and we're happy you elect to do it and give back to this great game. |
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christheump
351 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2011 : 14:05:37
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Originally posted by gasbag
Christheump...question for you sir....if you knew it was a bad call, why not reverse it or confer with other blue and then reverse it ? Either way you get PO coaches but at least you can sleep at night ?
Good question, to which I cant honestly say. I was emabarrased by the call. Needless to say, the post game conversation was pretty awkward and the coach made it pretty personal. It was one of those games that you take your whoppin and move on and tell yourself not to make the same mistake again.
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Originally posted by gasbag
Do umpires discuss this type of situations behind closed doors and do "lessons learned" with one another etc ?
Me and my partner usually do talk about the situations. Sometimes it is a few outs later or after the game, but never immediately after the play. Too obvious. Luckily the TD was watching the game and was pretty cool about it. Basically told me to shake it off and that we are all human. I immediately called my boss and gave him a heads-up in case there was any backlash(which does happen on ocassions). |
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UGA12
29 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2011 : 15:52:32
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| Christheump- Just curious what the score/inning/situation was when you blew the call. I like your perspective. |
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mjones9226
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Posted - 04/15/2011 : 16:09:57
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| Should have never made it personel, that is wrong in your situation. Taking some heat over it yes, but personel, no way. Chris, maybe you can rub some of that good sense on some of your bretheren. I have had only one situation, ever, where I lost it, and it was the umpire making it personel using a kid as a way to get at an adult. |
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christheump
351 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2011 : 16:03:54
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Originally posted by UGA12
Christheump- Just curious what the score/inning/situation was when you blew the call. I like your perspective.
It was in the middle of a close game at the time on Sunday. It was a double play ball that I called the runner safe and he was out by a step and a half..so bad the 2B didnt even throw because he was in disbelief. The impacted team ended up losing by run rule after 4, but it gave the other team what could have equated to 2 extra outs because of my mistake. |
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Cardsfan17
24 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2011 : 21:10:32
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Originally posted by christheump
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Originally posted by UGA12
Christheump- Just curious what the score/inning/situation was when you blew the call. I like your perspective.
It was in the middle of a close game at the time on Sunday. It was a double play ball that I called the runner safe and he was out by a step and a half..so bad the 2B didnt even throw because he was in disbelief. The impacted team ended up losing by run rule after 4, but it gave the other team what could have equated to 2 extra outs because of my mistake.
Chris - you made a mistake and you've owned up to it, so I can't imagine too many coaches holding it against you. The fact that it bothers you tells me you're out there for the right reasons. The next time you see that team - let them know it was an honest mistake. It will do worders for their opinion of umpires. We had a similar situation last year. My kid was pitching in his all star game and was getting squeezed by the ump something fierce. It was 10 u and the calls were consistently tight for both sides. The ump wanted every pitch dead center and belt high. It was just impossible to hit the zone for a 10 year old. Coaches and parents from both teams went crazy on the poor ump all night long but he never gave an inch. The next night we saw him at the field. He made a point to come over to my kid and apologize for having a bad game. He said he had called a high school game right before our game and he had held our 10u players to their standard. For a grown man to do that was amazing to me. It restored my kids confidence and helped him understand that umpires are human. It was a classy move and won't be forgotten. |
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oldmanmj
191 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2011 : 22:00:47
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| When an umpire is prepared, working hard to be in the right place, knows the rules, etc. I have no problem when a mistake is made, it is part of the game. Sadly most umpires that blow a call and know it, make it personal. They respond to the crowd, it should never be done. If you look into the crowd and comment, right or wrong, you have lost the game from that point forward even if you make every call perfectly. I can say for a fact, for every good, qualified umpire today there are 5 unprepared, unprofessional, umpires that do nothing to get better. There are great guys trying poorly, because they do nothing to get better, just like a player working hard to be the best he can on the field. No matter what age 9U to High School |
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Outtahere
43 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2011 : 09:28:28
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| On a positive note.....I saw an ump confer with his counterpart this weekend and reverse a bad call he had made. First time EVER! This guy was positive upbeat and best of all not afraid to say he had made a mistake. The other team didn't even complain, because they knew he was doing the right thing. Wish I knew his name I would post it on here. |
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