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bball-fan
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 Posted - 03/08/2011 : 15:24:03
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Don't worry, Tony. In a few weeks everyone will be complaining about the Super NIT: fields/umpires/rules/USSSA, etc. This won't be brought back up.  |
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oldschooldad
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Posted - 03/08/2011 : 18:03:36
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Triple Crown did not take in any of the entry fees nor did they take in any of the gate fees that everyone is claiming in these posts. ALL CHECKS for the tournament were made out to FORSYTH COUNTY SLUGFEST and they controlled all money coming in. They are also responsible for all of the money that will be refunded back to the teams. Bill Moats and the Forsyth County Slugfest Committee decided to use our REFUND POLICY as a safety net long before we had any kind of weather. They have numerous expenses before any pitch is even thrown to start the tournament. Field costs, t-shirts, awards that were never used, paying Triple Crown (All of my time had to be compensated), all of their staff park people who had to work the fields, and the list goes on. This is all before any penny is given to the Charities that are involved. Many of you are seeing it through your tunnel vision of your team. Please understand "the whole picture" here!
Tony,
Once again you have stepped up to address the issues the Travel Community has with the recent Slugfest event. I respect that you always seem to "face the music" good or bad and don't shy away from any issues. KUDOS!!!!
IMO, the issue with the Slugfest and the refund policy is simpy this. The event was and always has been promoted as a charity event. The time and energy of the organizers and staff of the Slugfest is valuable and certainly has an assoicated cost. I hope however that many of the people involved were able to donate their time, energy, and resources to making the event happen. The cost or price of any event this size must be considerable. However, I have to believe that some (or much but not all) of the cost would be less than if the event was orgainized by TC or USSSA directly.
It is for that reason that IMO the Slugfest, a charity and not for profit group, should not adopt the strict refund policy of a for-profit business. Make some money for your event and the wonderful charity it supports but don't hide behind the charity aspect when folks have a gripe or concern about where their $$ goes.
-- I will step off my soap box now. 
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 03/08/2011 : 21:33:41
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Guys, You all know that Papa is always the first one to show up with the rope to hang the culprit when the culprit needs to be hung. But in this case I feel that the best decisions that could be made were made concerning the Slugfest. The Slugfest Director or the Triple Crown Director does not direct "Mother Nature" as she has her own Director and he certainly knows what he is doing and why it is being done without any help from any of us.
If you would all just put on your thinking hat for just a minute and begin to add the uprfront costs that has to be spent to get the teams ready to get on the fields. The expenses for a tournament this size have got to be enormous. All of the teams are strapped for money this year and it hurts us all when we have to pay and not get all of our games in but please use your common horse sense and give these guys a break. They are the best that Papa has ever played for and I appreciate all of their hard work and effort but even they cannot and should not mess with Mother Nature.
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Spartan4
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Posted - 03/08/2011 : 23:18:08
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| I am at a loss for words, we have heard from Matt from USSSA and Tony all in one week!!!!! That almost never happens.... I think the main issue is the gate fee....Every team knew the refund policy, having said that I think Friday games should be a little different(not completely) as Friday games are often possible because coaches make a LOT OF EXTRA EFFORT to get their team to the park 3 days instead of 2...JMO |
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11UFAN
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Posted - 03/08/2011 : 23:46:02
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Repost from 11U board:
Since so many on this thread think they got ripped off or disagree with the refund policy I thought I would play devil's advocate.
First of all, all teams know the weather risk, especially this time of year and the refund policy is clearly stated. If anyone feels that strongly about it they don't have to sign-up for the tournament. This goes under either the category "buyer beware" or "don't cry over spilled milk". A couple said the refund policy wasn't fair or implied that enforcing it is somehow wrong. They put the policy in the contract so that in the event there is a rainout everyone would know the financial consequences and from strictly a business perspective, that TC won't get left holding the bag.
Also, a portion of the money is going to charity. I am sure TC did not put alot of money (if any) in their pockets on this one. There are numerous expenses including pre-tournament expenses that have to be paid regardless of the number of games played. I am sure for a HUGE tournament like this one the fixed costs are very high. It wouldn't surprise me if they actually lost money on this one.
The posters on this message board are as tough (or tougher) on TD's and how tournaments are run than as they are about umpires making bad calls! Tony & Donny put on great tournaments, arguably the best in our state and they both are stand-up guys. There are several other good TD's out there, certainly many, many more good ones than bad ones.
This tournament was a big disappointment but let's not take it out on the organization that works so hard and puts out a great product like TC does. It sucks that teams had to fork over so much for one game, that everyone had to at least pay the admin fees and the ones I really feel sorry for are the folks that came from out of town. But at least some of this money went to a great cause. |
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catch and throw
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 22:01:32
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| Triple Crown by far the best run events around!Tony does a great job and imo is the best director in the state.People this is travel baseball, no one can predict the weather, and if you're worried about a 5dollar gate fee maybe you shouldn't play travel ball and go back to rec league where there is no fee! |
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Scorpion baseball academy
127 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2011 : 11:29:17
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CATCH AND THROW................ I AGREE WITH YOU, TRAVEL BASEBALL ONE OF THE BEST WAYS KIDS LEARN TO PLAY THIS GREAT GAME WE LOVE,WE CAN SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND TIME FOR LESSONS,THE BEST BATS,GLOVES,SHOES ECT.... NOTHING BEATS PLAYING AGAINST THE BEST.ITS THE ONLY WAY TO IMPROVE. SO WHAT IF MOTHER NATURE TAKES OVER AND CANCELLS A FEW GAMES. WE ALL KNEW THE RULES.CRYING ABOUT THE GATE FEES IS CRAZY. IF YOU DONT LIKE THE FEES GO BACK TO THE REC LEAGUES AND SEE WHAT YOU GET.
TRIPLE CROWN AND THE PEOPLE AT SLUGFEST DID A GREAT JOB TRYING TO BEAT MOTHER NATURE TO GET ALL THE GAMES IN
STEVE POLLARD C/O SBA |
Edited by - Scorpion baseball academy on 03/10/2011 12:17:20 |
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Catch3dad
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Posted - 03/10/2011 : 13:28:59
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Originally posted by Scorpion baseball academy
CATCH AND THROW................ I AGREE WITH YOU, TRAVEL BASEBALL ONE OF THE BEST WAYS KIDS LEARN TO PLAY THIS GREAT GAME WE LOVE,WE CAN SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND TIME FOR LESSONS,THE BEST BATS,GLOVES,SHOES ECT.... NOTHING BEATS PLAYING AGAINST THE BEST.ITS THE ONLY WAY TO IMPROVE. SO WHAT IF MOTHER NATURE TAKES OVER AND CANCELLS A FEW GAMES. WE ALL KNEW THE RULES.CRYING ABOUT THE GATE FEES IS CRAZY. IF YOU DONT LIKE THE FEES GO BACK TO THE REC LEAGUES AND SEE WHAT YOU GET.
TRIPLE CROWN AND THE PEOPLE AT SLUGFEST DID A GREAT JOB TRYING TO BEAT MOTHER NATURE TO GET ALL THE GAMES IN
STEVE POLLARD C/O SBA
So if you have a kid playing Travel Baseball, you need to just shut up and take it? It's okay to be ripped off or at least taken advantage of if its by a TD or orgainozer for a Travel ball tournament? I don't agree.
No dog in the fight as they say. Didn't play in the Slugfest but parents for the most part are funding the teams and they have the right to vent and say their piece.
IMO, no right or wrong side top story but everyone has a right to complain if they choice.
The old "go back to Rec ball" agrument doesn't apply.
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Scorpion baseball academy
127 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2011 : 11:00:02
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CATCH3DAD ...... NOTHING WAS SAID THAT PARENTS CAN'T VENT THEIR OPINIONS BUT THEY NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH TIME AND MONEY IS INVESTED IN PUTTING ON THESE TOURNAMENTS. ALL TEAMS AND COACHES ARE TOLD WHATS HAPPENS WHEN THESE TOURNAMENTS ARE RAINED OUT.WHAT THE REFUNDS WILL BE IF ANY.
BASEBALL IS SUPPOSE TO BE FOR THE KIDS,BUT IT IS ALSO A BUSINESS. THERE ARE COSTS AND TIME NO MATTER WHAT LEVEL YOU PLAY.MAINTANCE COST EMPLOYEES ECT... GATE FEES ARE THERE TO HELP OFFSET FIELD MAINTANCE AND SUPPLYS. TRIPLE CROWN,USSSA,OR ANY ORGAINZION OR PRIVATE FIELD THAT PUT ON TOURNAMENTS FOR OUR KIDS TO PLAY ON AND BRING IN THE BEST COMPETITION,I FEEL ITS WORTH THE INVESTMENT.ANYWAYS HOW MANY TIMES DO WE EVER HAVE TOURNAMENTS CANCELLED AFTER THE SEASON STARTS UP HEAVY?
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barsred98
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 15:33:09
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| ?????????? How many times does the TD or host teams actually put money back into the fields? I know on the south side of Atlanta, the fields have the same issues year after year..........and there is plenty of gate fee $$$$ getting paid! |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2011 : 00:47:27
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Originally posted by barsred98
?????????? How many times does the TD or host teams actually put money back into the fields? I know on the south side of Atlanta, the fields have the same issues year after year..........and there is plenty of gate fee $$$$ getting paid!
Good point!!!! Our Super NIT is an AWESOME tournament.....but the fields are flat out garbage......It would be nice to see a little work done on those fields. |
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coachdan06
433 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2011 : 10:31:29
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Originally posted by Scorpion baseball academy
CATCH3DAD ...... NOTHING WAS SAID THAT PARENTS CAN'T VENT THEIR OPINIONS BUT THEY NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH TIME AND MONEY IS INVESTED IN PUTTING ON THESE TOURNAMENTS. ALL TEAMS AND COACHES ARE TOLD WHATS HAPPENS WHEN THESE TOURNAMENTS ARE RAINED OUT.WHAT THE REFUNDS WILL BE IF ANY.
BASEBALL IS SUPPOSE TO BE FOR THE KIDS,BUT IT IS ALSO A BUSINESS. THERE ARE COSTS AND TIME NO MATTER WHAT LEVEL YOU PLAY.MAINTANCE COST EMPLOYEES ECT... GATE FEES ARE THERE TO HELP OFFSET FIELD MAINTANCE AND SUPPLYS. TRIPLE CROWN,USSSA,OR ANY ORGAINZION OR PRIVATE FIELD THAT PUT ON TOURNAMENTS FOR OUR KIDS TO PLAY ON AND BRING IN THE BEST COMPETITION,I FEEL ITS WORTH THE INVESTMENT.ANYWAYS HOW MANY TIMES DO WE EVER HAVE TOURNAMENTS CANCELLED AFTER THE SEASON STARTS UP HEAVY?
STEVE POLLARD c/O SBA
Scorpion & DAD -- I see both sides of your arguments adn I agree with both.
Here is my opinion of how this tournament should have been handled ; I too have no dog hunting :-):
We have Grandkids whose club outdoors activities were canceled Thursday PM due to the weather channel forecast of imminent rain and cold beginning Friday afternoon. This weather DID occur too.
The Slugfest should have never begun given that it was very obvious to anyone that it would never be completed - so why play the tournament to begin with at such a high cost to those playing just a game or two ?
That is not equitable or honorable in my book.
But , the TD could and should keep the $100 or whatever is stated , due to the up front costs etc - just dont drag people out there for a game so to get their gate fee and maybe another $100 when you know the event wont survive Friday night - that's flat out wrong and everyone knows it !!!
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