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C. MORTON
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 Posted - 01/24/2011 : 14:37:43
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From the USSSA site "For 2012, Dr. Brandt in coordination with the Bat Manufacturers will create a more rigorous 1.15 BPF test that will not allow bats that improve past the 1.15 BPF level with use or most alteration without clearly showing visible physical damage. Both 2 3/4 and 2 5/8 bats will continue to be allowed in 14U and younger USSSA sanctioned play. Such bats will carry a new USSSA 1.15 Mark that will be easily indentified without the requirement of a close inspection. This test will be similar to that currently used by the 5 associations that require 1.15 BPF testing for Small Barrel bats and which is now being used by USSSA in its Small Barrel bat testing. Beginning in 2012, only such Big Barrel bats with the new USSSA 1.15 BPF mark will be allowed in USSSA play. All other Big Barrel bats will no longer be allowed in USSSA play as of January 1, 2012. It is expected that such 2012 bats will be made available for purchase by October of 2011."
So any bat that is bought this year will not be good for next year in USSSA don't know about the other bodies just USSSA...
Now I have another question will these type of Coach Pitch bats with the -10 and the USSSA logo be able to be used in older ages??? Seeing how they are basically the same as a Senior bat as far as weight goes.
http://www.justbats.com/product.view.aspx?p=13090 |
Edited by - C. MORTON on 01/24/2011 14:39:49 |
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G-Man
326 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2011 : 17:38:54
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| What I saw released from Usssa a few weeks ago was that all age groups will be required in the 2012 season to use BBcor bats. |
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baserunner
115 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2011 : 19:11:17
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| Very helpful info. Thanks for posting! |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2011 : 19:37:04
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| I heard these new bats are HORRIBLE??? |
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BROOKSTEAM
145 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2011 : 13:28:12
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A few things to clarify. The old coach pitch bats are gone and the new big barrel coach pitch bats (no longer called Coach Pitch but rather "Youth")all meet the BPF 1.15 requirement. I have them in my store and you can buy them online.
As to the 14 and under travel groups, it appears that this same type of thing will be required of the bats needed for USSSA play. The big question arises is what if the other major tournament groups do not follow suit. From what I have heard several of them will not. Of course things can change but if Triple Crown, Nations, Grand Slam etc do not change their rules what happens? Either we all have two bats for our kids, one for USSSA and one for other events, or teams choose to play/not play specific tournaments.
**By sometime in May, I will know from my bat dealers what is going to be made and as soon as I know that I will re-post and let everyone know. From what I am hearing early on is that if USSSA is the only one to do this that the bat companies will not change their production and kids will have to swing 2 1/4 bats in USSSA tournaments that already meet the BPF 1.15 standard. |
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G-Man
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 03:16:12
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I am not sure about everyone else but I see this as a copout by Usssa. Based on what I read in their statement it seems they are placing the policing of this on the parents,players and coaches. So this tells me that even through the smoke screen comments about working with the bat makers to improve standards that nothing will really be done to improve the safety and their only goal is to improve Usssa marketing by having their logo placed on these new bats.
I personally believe they should go to the BBcor ratings if they are TRULY wanting to ensure the safety of the players. BPF raitings are currently being used and we all have seen how hot these bats are off the store rack and how hot they get after use. So this tells me that BPF ratings are not the best. However after seeing the new BBcor bats those will allow some of our pitchers to remain a little safer. |
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beanball
222 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2011 : 10:32:49
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I think we all should be going to wood for all age groups. That's where we're headed anyway. The only issue is the $$$ that the bat manufacturers will loose not selling those $300 bats to 10 or 12 year olds.
Everyone's got a hand in your pocket. |
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C. MORTON
1051 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2011 : 15:03:31
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| They may not sell the 300 dollar bats, but wood bats would have to be replaced more so they would probably break even.. |
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11UFAN
149 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2011 : 20:17:51
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I am all for wood bats from 14U on. You really have to swing one right to hit the ball. IMO, swinging the big barrell metal bats can create alot of bad habits and can cause serious injuries.
beanball and all, you are definitely right about the money aspect but let's not just blame the bat manufacturers. There would be alot fewer dads bragging about all the homeruns their son hit if we went to wood! We all buy them and we are all always looking for the ones with the most pop. |
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beanball
222 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2011 : 20:23:57
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I don't think the 9-12U players will break that many bats. Above 12U bats will break more often but I would guess most playes would not go through 5 -- $60 wood bats in a season.
I also think the wood makes for a better game. Kids learn the fundamentals, moving runners, bunting etc. And the kids will learn how to hit better at a younger age.
Just my opinion
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oldschooldad
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 22:05:04
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quote:
Originally posted by beanball
I don't think the 9-12U players will break that many bats. Above 12U bats will break more often but I would guess most playes would not go through 5 -- $60 wood bats in a season.
I also think the wood makes for a better game. Kids learn the fundamentals, moving runners, bunting etc. And the kids will learn how to hit better at a younger age.
Just my opinion
--- you might be suprised at the number of bats that are broken at the younger age groups. BP can be very rough on bats. plus young kids swing lighter bats which are often thinner. Composite laminate bats are much tougher to break but often -3 or -4 so kids can't swing them. many teams loss one or two at a wooden bat event and that is just one weekend. multiply that by every tourney being a wooden bat event and you would get a lot of broken bats.
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beanball
222 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2011 : 08:49:58
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Originally posted by oldschooldad
quote:
Originally posted by beanball
I don't think the 9-12U players will break that many bats. Above 12U bats will break more often but I would guess most playes would not go through 5 -- $60 wood bats in a season.
I also think the wood makes for a better game. Kids learn the fundamentals, moving runners, bunting etc. And the kids will learn how to hit better at a younger age.
Just my opinion
--- you might be suprised at the number of bats that are broken at the younger age groups. BP can be very rough on bats. plus young kids swing lighter bats which are often thinner. Composite laminate bats are much tougher to break but often -3 or -4 so kids can't swing them. many teams loss one or two at a wooden bat event and that is just one weekend. multiply that by every tourney being a wooden bat event and you would get a lot of broken bats.
Maybe I'm just lucky. My sons swung a ton of wood last year and between both boys only had one broken bat. I can also say that we have only had maybe three broken bats over all the years playing travel & my boys are 16 & 14. |
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crackedbats
160 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2011 : 11:19:37
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| saw the 5150 BBCOR bat hit by GT this past weekend. They are lousy. Not sure if it was the 5150 or just the new BBCOR effect. The ball sounds like it is being hit with a tin can. Also has a rattle when contact is made. It will be interesting to see what the other companies come out with to compare. Will they all sound like being hit with a tin can with a rattle? |
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12uCoach
357 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 09:50:08
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I don't want to beat a dead horse, BUT, the revised USSSA rulebook ( http://www.gausssabaseball.com/images/uploads/pdffiles/Rule_Book.pdf )says:
8.01.E.1 All bats for age divisions 4U – 14U shall conform to the 1.15 BPF (Bat Performance Factor) as
defined for baseball bats by ASTM Standards. Bats that do not conform to the 1.15 BPF (Bat
Performance Factor) as defined for baseball bats by ASTM Standards shall be disapproved by
USSSA. Such disapproval shall be the sole discretion of USSSA and may be made without notice.
OK, great I have a whole team with new bats with no markings, where is a list of bats from Easton, etc, that are BPF 1.15? |
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C. MORTON
1051 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 14:14:19
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What's going to happen is USSSA is going to start loosing money.
If no one else has these same rules about bats, just go play in other sanctions. Once tournament directors start losing money something will change. It's like everyone will have to buy bats just for USSSA. So far I have only seen 2 youth bats with the USSSA logo. |
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T13
257 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 16:02:49
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| does not go into effect until next year.... |
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baseballready
188 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 16:02:54
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quote:
Originally posted by 12uCoach
I don't want to beat a dead horse, BUT, the revised USSSA rulebook ( http://www.gausssabaseball.com/images/uploads/pdffiles/Rule_Book.pdf )says:
8.01.E.1 All bats for age divisions 4U – 14U shall conform to the 1.15 BPF (Bat Performance Factor) as
defined for baseball bats by ASTM Standards. Bats that do not conform to the 1.15 BPF (Bat
Performance Factor) as defined for baseball bats by ASTM Standards shall be disapproved by
USSSA. Such disapproval shall be the sole discretion of USSSA and may be made without notice.
OK, great I have a whole team with new bats with no markings, where is a list of bats from Easton, etc, that are BPF 1.15?
For 2011 - have not seen a list of bats, however link below provides further insight from USSSA on bat performance. Seems to indicate bats should not
http://www.usssa.com/usssa/usssa-general/BaseballBatPerformance.htm
excerpt: Manufacturers, however, will be required to alert USSSA if they are aware, or have reason to be concerned that, any of their bat models—carbon fiber or other material bats-- would significantly exceed the 1.15 BPF standard with normal use. In such a case, USSSA would then list such bats as ones which are not allowed in USSSA play. In general, all bats of USSSA Licensed manufacturers will be allowed in USSSA play, unless they are otherwise identified by USSSA as not being allowed. |
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12uCoach
357 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2011 : 07:29:45
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Originally posted by T13
does not go into effect until next year....
Not according to the Georgia USSSA rule book. |
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seminole tony
147 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2011 : 10:37:30
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For 2011, there will be no change to the performance standard for bats allowed in USSSA play in these age groups. 2¾”, 2#8541;” and 2¼ “ bats will all continue to be allowed in 14U and younger USSSA sanctioned play. Manufacturers, however, will be required to alert USSSA if they are aware, or have reason to be concerned that, any of their bat models—carbon fiber or other material bats-- would significantly exceed the 1.15 BPF standard with normal use. In such a case, USSSA would then list such bats as ones which are not allowed in USSSA play. In general, all bats of USSSA Licensed manufacturers will be allowed in USSSA play, unless they are otherwise identified by USSSA as not being allowed. Bats from manufacturers that are not licensed with USSSA will not be allowed in USSSA sanctioned play without regard to BPF testing.
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seminole tony
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Posted - 02/10/2011 : 10:40:36
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Originally posted by seminole tony
For 2011, there will be no change to the performance standard for bats allowed in USSSA play in these age groups. 2¾”, 25/8” and 2¼ “ bats will all continue to be allowed in 14U and younger USSSA sanctioned play. Manufacturers, however, will be required to alert USSSA if they are aware, or have reason to be concerned that, any of their bat models—carbon fiber or other material bats-- would significantly exceed the 1.15 BPF standard with normal use. In such a case, USSSA would then list such bats as ones which are not allowed in USSSA play. In general, all bats of USSSA Licensed manufacturers will be allowed in USSSA play, unless they are otherwise identified by USSSA as not being allowed. Bats from manufacturers that are not licensed with USSSA will not be allowed in USSSA sanctioned play without regard to BPF testing.
This is out of the book. |
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Shut Out
512 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2011 : 12:42:24
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| Bubba; please enlighten us to what rules we will have to follow this year. |
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12uCoach
357 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2011 : 13:14:31
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quote:
Originally posted by seminole tony
quote:
Originally posted by seminole tony
For 2011, there will be no change to the performance standard for bats allowed in USSSA play in these age groups. 2¾”, 25/8” and 2¼ “ bats will all continue to be allowed in 14U and younger USSSA sanctioned play. Manufacturers, however, will be required to alert USSSA if they are aware, or have reason to be concerned that, any of their bat models—carbon fiber or other material bats-- would significantly exceed the 1.15 BPF standard with normal use. In such a case, USSSA would then list such bats as ones which are not allowed in USSSA play. In general, all bats of USSSA Licensed manufacturers will be allowed in USSSA play, unless they are otherwise identified by USSSA as not being allowed. Bats from manufacturers that are not licensed with USSSA will not be allowed in USSSA sanctioned play without regard to BPF testing.
This is out of the book.
No it's not.
http://www.gausssabaseball.com/images/uploads/pdffiles/Rule_Book.pdf
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